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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snipped] > You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido > jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you > think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. > Gosh, maybe even both of them. > *VBG* > lisaviolet > — > <http://www.lisaviolet.com> > visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace > I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners > my email address is on my website > emails may be posted
You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not amputate." C. — For e-mail change woman to women.
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>Gee, thanks Helen!!
You’re welcome:-) >You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido >jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you >think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. >Gosh, maybe even both of them.
LOL! He thinks my comments are bad. Oh boy! Usually I’m more tactful than Pussido:-) Regards, Helen S
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>.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say >those >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont >want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a >new
Yawn……. *Warning, warning* *Testosterone alert* Yo! Machoman is in town. Can’t you just picture him swaggering into the saloon, sorting out the local outlaws… Yawn…. Gosh, all that testosterone, must be why he has to demonstrate it in having part of his cat’s feet amputated. Let’s face it, all that testosterone has to have an outlet – let’s show that darned cat who’s boss hereabouts – off with it’s claws – heck that’s a much more macho way to deal with it than by that wimpy, soppy *female* way of clipping the claws. Nah… got to show these darned critters who is boss! Yawn….. Helen S
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sandoz kirjoitti: >Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I >think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given >pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing.
I have been meaning to ask this for quite some time now: Are there any sites where this would be shown? Are there any sites with pictures (photos or drawings) showing just how much of the paw is removed? Many have said "if they only saw"… Is anyone really showing the real picture? Satu – And no, I hadn’t heard of this toe amputation before taking a peek in the cat groups. I, our vets and our legislation find declawing animal abuse (which can send you to prison). What I found was so horrifying I stayed just to read what people use as excuses.
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>To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry >you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning >pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low.
Ha!!! Don’t flatter yourself. you’ve already done a good job of making an ass of yourself, this only rectifies it. And, sorry, but there’s no way getting any lower than that trash that spewing from your orifice. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say
those You think that doing whatever you can for and loving your animals, includes declawing them??!!! Give us all a break. If that were true, you would’ve spent the time to teach your cats to use a scratching post and teach your brats to handle their pets more respectfully. Not only have you proven bad caretaking of your animals, but terrible parenting. "Oh, it’s okay honey. You can pull the kitty around the house by it’s tail, ’cause I’ll just having it’s toes cut off." Very wise lessons you are teaching your children… >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
Wow, and such tactical and witty responses here. Go for the groin. I hope that you’re not using such filthy language around your kids. J.Coyer CVT
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You just don’t get it, do you Russ – declawing is illegal or not done unless for medical reasons in many, many countries. It *is* seen as anim al abuse. In the UK – the British Veterinary Association views declawing as "unnecessary mutilation". To those of us who live in the *many* places where declawing isn’t performed , it IS abuse, unless it is carried out for medical reasons. Having it carried out for your personal laziness because you cannot be bothered to find out how to deal with a pet in a humane fashion is – to me and many others – abuse. Regards, helen S
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>>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. >This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have >been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and >ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice >friggen day. >RUSS
Hmmm, talk about stupid and ignorant. You’re just like the kettle who called the pot black. You don’t think declawing is "harming" your cat??? Give me a break. Let me ask you a few things….first, are you aware of the technical details of onychetomy???….secondly, did you witness the first fews hours of your cat(s)’s recovery after the surgery?? Apparently not, because if you did, you wouldn’t be spouting a bunch of b.s. And if you did, then your idea of protecting and caring for your "pet" is disgusting. J.Coyer CVT P.S. And *this* kind of comment pisses me off more than anything cause it’s ignorant and bullheaded.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
blanke. I just wish that some of your common sense would rub off on these pitiful souls…. 
J.Coyer CVT
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the home page of the Twisty Cats is located??? Thanks! Brenda
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After reading posts about people having to put their cats to sleep and seeing how these cat newsgroups respond, its really disappointing when we gets posts like this one. No one on either side of this issue is going to convince the other to believe what they do by name calling… especially calling someone fat.. I mean , no offense, but how old are you? If you found out she was black, would you start tossing around the N word as well? Its the same thing. Just agree to disagree and grow up. You are only making yourself look bad.. remember.. its one thing to just look like an ass , but when you open your mouth ( in a flame) you remove all doubt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it.
This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice friggen day. RUSS
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lots snipped again…. The point is that you did harm your cat. Deliberately amputating several phalanges, severing several ligaments and tendons for non-medical reasons does harm. It is painful, utterly unnecessary, and mutilating. You are conveniently deluding yourself to justify having done what you have. >I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.
I then fear for those you love – amputating cats’ toes for your convenience is not loving nor is it protection. >Do not judge me unless you know me.
We can only judge by people’s actions and it is entirely justifiable, reasonable, and logical to do so. What you state belies your actions, so what you say is meaningless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->RUSS
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To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children "bastards" is the lowest of the low. You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say those nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
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Karen….I just printed out your post and will keep it on hand for the next time someone asks me about declawing. It brought tears to my eyes. I look at my three cats and I can’t imagine ever doing anything to harm them or make them unhappy. They grace me with their beauty and trust me to care for them and caring does not involve amputating their toes! Why is this so difficult for some to understand? At least if these people could admit that they were going against the nature of the cat, their arguments while never convincing, might be a little easier to swallow. But noooooo….they accuse us of being wrong. What this whole declawing issue amounts to is there are cat people and there are "cat" people and never the twain shall meet. How often have you heard people say, "oh yeah, I have three or six or ten cats, but they are never allowed indoors." These are pets? Why bother? I left this board once before because of this issue. It seems some things never change. Again, thank you for your informative and well written post!! Cat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed.
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PopBomb wrote a lot of macho drivel, like: >So back up fatty,there’s a new
Dream on, you hapless twit. You haven’t a clue. You’ve got to lord it over your cat because it’s a helpless creature and you are a failure as a human being. You come into a newsgroup and think you’re going to lord it over a bunch of adults. Duh! Send away for a brain, asshole. Karen Hohne, not Ms., Doctor
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Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing. The surgery it’s self is pretty routine. The anesthetic is actually the risky part acording to the Vet I worked for. Cats are very sensitive to being knocked out. Not very wise to subject your beloved cat to anything harmful unless it’s really necessary. You’d be shocked at the number of touch and go cases we had when cats went under, and this is at a very well run clinic with top notch Vets. Then, after the surgery was performed, the cats paws would be wrapped and the cats would be put in small cages so they couldn’t flail around to much and hurt themselves as they were waking up. The badages had to be changed frequently becasue of bleeding, but carefully as to not irritate the the injured areas. I usually got the fun job of cleaning up the bloody cages (that’s what you get for being at the bottom of the pecking order!:) . As the cats wake up, most of them flounder about and whimper pathetically. It’s so sad. They try to walk and it’s obvious they are in a great deal of pain. They’re off balanced from the anesthetic and becasue their feet hurt. The bandages just bug the hell out of most of them. They’re disoriented, scared, and lonely. Then comes the issue of infection. Cats by nature want to clean themselves. So, as soon as they wake up off come the badages and the licking/irritation process begins. Hopefully the owner of the cat would agree to pay for pain medication (you’d be amazed at how many people don’t consider it necessary) and we could get the cat started on that to help them out. Otherwise, they got to suffer untill their owner came back to get them. And of course, the cats had to be cleaned up as best a possible. Owners don’t want to see bloddy animals. That might imply that something bad was done. Declawing is a very sad, barberic, and unecessary thing to do to an animal. We had two cats when my son was born a year and a half ago. Both of them were absolutely spoiled rotten, they were my babies before I had my baby. We lost our dear sweet Abbey cat, but I still have my Miss Kitty. She and my son have their tense moments, but that’s why I’m here! I moderate and no one gets hurt! Much better than having unnecessary, inhumane, and selfish sugery performed on my sweet kitty! Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
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PopBomb: | >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this | crap. | And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the | painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is | a serious issue. PopBomb: | >I don’t allow | >violence to anyone including pets. | Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and | you state that you would do violence again with your statement | below. | … It’s possible that he’s just not bright enough to think that conceptually. That would explain the status anxiety in the first sentence. As far as an argument goes, this is just good old "I have the power" also known as "the cat is my property." — { http://www.etaoin.com | latest new material 1/10 <-adv’t
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[snipped] > You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s > insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? > More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that > would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to > direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not > amputate." > C.
Well, C., to be completely honest, I don’t think there’s much to be said by anyone that would change his mind, insults or otherwise. I’m sure you’ve met some people that are right, goldarnit, and no one is gunna change thur mind, no way, no how. They’ll fight to the death their right to be right. My dad was one and he ended up in an early grave. And don’t forget, as PopBomb put it, I’m an asshole. I have a reputation to live up to, doncha know? *grins* lisaviolet <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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> >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
<snipped> > AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She > does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not > just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-)
<snipped> > Regards, Helen S
Gee, thanks Helen!! You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. Gosh, maybe even both of them. *VBG* lisaviolet — <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc.
Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in your condemnation of people who love animals, especially since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You know, many of us have chosen not to have children because there are already TOO MANY being produced by bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I can only tell you with absolute authority that you are completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about responsibility and having a life. Karen Hohne
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Boy, PopBomb, did you miss the boat on that one. My point wasn’t that your kid was an asshole. I never said that. And if you think I implied it, well, I certainly didn’t mean to. The kid that was an asshole was the one that threw the cat into the pool 42 years ago. I think that’s what I said. Yes, we love our cats. When I was a child, a long, long, long, long time ago, if our cat scratched me, my mom said you probably deserved it, now leave the damn cat alone. And I did. I learned to be gentle. Sheesh. Take a deep breath. lisaviolet who now proudly can add asshole to her other names. Cat Nazi Wacko Fanatic Pro-Clinton Anti-Clinton Pro-Abortion Anti-Abortion Liberal Conservative Zealot Animal Rights Fanatic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that > you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move > when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I > dont think so. > And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i > wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow > violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how > ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine > arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are > not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not > hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human > companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my > children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. > RUSS
– <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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RUSS, Hopefully you are also teaching your child that your cats are different from many, if not most, other cats– for your child’s sake. If you are not teaching your child to handle all cats gently or with respect for their potential, you might be inadvertantly increasing the chance of your child being injured by a cat that has not been amputated, or of being bitten by one that has. Some cats cannot be handled a lot, or must be handled with consideration for individual characteristics. If your child sees you continuing to play with a cat in a fashion that provokes the cat to undesired behavior, even if you consider this to be normal play, maybe the child will not understand that this is something s/he should not do. You might declaw and defang your own, but you cannot "protect" your child in such a fashion from other animals. The abortion reference is useless. Good luck. Pam ==== – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? >I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t >allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows >how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed >my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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lots snipped…. >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this
crap. And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is a serious issue. >I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.
Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and you state that you would do violence again with your statement below. That is sad – because it is your helpless animals that suffer the consequences of your ignorant attitude. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
I make no apologies for being passionate about an issue of animal welfare. I am also passionate about many other things too – people being "passionate" about issues is what gets things done. Apathy achieves diddly squat:-) AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-) AS for more human companionship in the lives of people who are anti-declaw, well, I for one have plenty. I have a loving, caring family – who care about animal welfare too, oh, and lots of human friends too. It’s just that none of my *friends* like animal abuse. As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. Regards, Helen S
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I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I dont think so. And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. RUSS
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snipped] > You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido > jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you > think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. > Gosh, maybe even both of them. > *VBG* > lisaviolet > — > <http://www.lisaviolet.com> > visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace > I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners > my email address is on my website > emails may be posted
You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not amputate." C. — For e-mail change woman to women.
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>Gee, thanks Helen!!
You’re welcome:-) >You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido >jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you >think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. >Gosh, maybe even both of them.
LOL! He thinks my comments are bad. Oh boy! Usually I’m more tactful than Pussido:-) Regards, Helen S
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>.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say >those >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont >want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a >new
Yawn……. *Warning, warning* *Testosterone alert* Yo! Machoman is in town. Can’t you just picture him swaggering into the saloon, sorting out the local outlaws… Yawn…. Gosh, all that testosterone, must be why he has to demonstrate it in having part of his cat’s feet amputated. Let’s face it, all that testosterone has to have an outlet – let’s show that darned cat who’s boss hereabouts – off with it’s claws – heck that’s a much more macho way to deal with it than by that wimpy, soppy *female* way of clipping the claws. Nah… got to show these darned critters who is boss! Yawn….. Helen S
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sandoz kirjoitti: >Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I >think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given >pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing.
I have been meaning to ask this for quite some time now: Are there any sites where this would be shown? Are there any sites with pictures (photos or drawings) showing just how much of the paw is removed? Many have said "if they only saw"… Is anyone really showing the real picture? Satu – And no, I hadn’t heard of this toe amputation before taking a peek in the cat groups. I, our vets and our legislation find declawing animal abuse (which can send you to prison). What I found was so horrifying I stayed just to read what people use as excuses.
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>To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry >you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning >pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low.
Ha!!! Don’t flatter yourself. you’ve already done a good job of making an ass of yourself, this only rectifies it. And, sorry, but there’s no way getting any lower than that trash that spewing from your orifice. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say
those You think that doing whatever you can for and loving your animals, includes declawing them??!!! Give us all a break. If that were true, you would’ve spent the time to teach your cats to use a scratching post and teach your brats to handle their pets more respectfully. Not only have you proven bad caretaking of your animals, but terrible parenting. "Oh, it’s okay honey. You can pull the kitty around the house by it’s tail, ’cause I’ll just having it’s toes cut off." Very wise lessons you are teaching your children… >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
Wow, and such tactical and witty responses here. Go for the groin. I hope that you’re not using such filthy language around your kids. J.Coyer CVT
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You just don’t get it, do you Russ – declawing is illegal or not done unless for medical reasons in many, many countries. It *is* seen as anim al abuse. In the UK – the British Veterinary Association views declawing as "unnecessary mutilation". To those of us who live in the *many* places where declawing isn’t performed , it IS abuse, unless it is carried out for medical reasons. Having it carried out for your personal laziness because you cannot be bothered to find out how to deal with a pet in a humane fashion is – to me and many others – abuse. Regards, helen S
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>>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. >This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have >been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and >ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice >friggen day. >RUSS
Hmmm, talk about stupid and ignorant. You’re just like the kettle who called the pot black. You don’t think declawing is "harming" your cat??? Give me a break. Let me ask you a few things….first, are you aware of the technical details of onychetomy???….secondly, did you witness the first fews hours of your cat(s)’s recovery after the surgery?? Apparently not, because if you did, you wouldn’t be spouting a bunch of b.s. And if you did, then your idea of protecting and caring for your "pet" is disgusting. J.Coyer CVT P.S. And *this* kind of comment pisses me off more than anything cause it’s ignorant and bullheaded.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
blanke. I just wish that some of your common sense would rub off on these pitiful souls…. J.Coyer CVT
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the home page of the Twisty Cats is located??? Thanks! Brenda
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After reading posts about people having to put their cats to sleep and seeing how these cat newsgroups respond, its really disappointing when we gets posts like this one. No one on either side of this issue is going to convince the other to believe what they do by name calling… especially calling someone fat.. I mean , no offense, but how old are you? If you found out she was black, would you start tossing around the N word as well? Its the same thing. Just agree to disagree and grow up. You are only making yourself look bad.. remember.. its one thing to just look like an ass , but when you open your mouth ( in a flame) you remove all doubt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it.
This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice friggen day. RUSS
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lots snipped again…. The point is that you did harm your cat. Deliberately amputating several phalanges, severing several ligaments and tendons for non-medical reasons does harm. It is painful, utterly unnecessary, and mutilating. You are conveniently deluding yourself to justify having done what you have. >I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.
I then fear for those you love – amputating cats’ toes for your convenience is not loving nor is it protection. >Do not judge me unless you know me.
We can only judge by people’s actions and it is entirely justifiable, reasonable, and logical to do so. What you state belies your actions, so what you say is meaningless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->RUSS
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To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children "bastards" is the lowest of the low. You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say those nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
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Karen….I just printed out your post and will keep it on hand for the next time someone asks me about declawing. It brought tears to my eyes. I look at my three cats and I can’t imagine ever doing anything to harm them or make them unhappy. They grace me with their beauty and trust me to care for them and caring does not involve amputating their toes! Why is this so difficult for some to understand? At least if these people could admit that they were going against the nature of the cat, their arguments while never convincing, might be a little easier to swallow. But noooooo….they accuse us of being wrong. What this whole declawing issue amounts to is there are cat people and there are "cat" people and never the twain shall meet. How often have you heard people say, "oh yeah, I have three or six or ten cats, but they are never allowed indoors." These are pets? Why bother? I left this board once before because of this issue. It seems some things never change. Again, thank you for your informative and well written post!! Cat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed.
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PopBomb wrote a lot of macho drivel, like: >So back up fatty,there’s a new
Dream on, you hapless twit. You haven’t a clue. You’ve got to lord it over your cat because it’s a helpless creature and you are a failure as a human being. You come into a newsgroup and think you’re going to lord it over a bunch of adults. Duh! Send away for a brain, asshole. Karen Hohne, not Ms., Doctor
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Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing. The surgery it’s self is pretty routine. The anesthetic is actually the risky part acording to the Vet I worked for. Cats are very sensitive to being knocked out. Not very wise to subject your beloved cat to anything harmful unless it’s really necessary. You’d be shocked at the number of touch and go cases we had when cats went under, and this is at a very well run clinic with top notch Vets. Then, after the surgery was performed, the cats paws would be wrapped and the cats would be put in small cages so they couldn’t flail around to much and hurt themselves as they were waking up. The badages had to be changed frequently becasue of bleeding, but carefully as to not irritate the the injured areas. I usually got the fun job of cleaning up the bloody cages (that’s what you get for being at the bottom of the pecking order!:) . As the cats wake up, most of them flounder about and whimper pathetically. It’s so sad. They try to walk and it’s obvious they are in a great deal of pain. They’re off balanced from the anesthetic and becasue their feet hurt. The bandages just bug the hell out of most of them. They’re disoriented, scared, and lonely. Then comes the issue of infection. Cats by nature want to clean themselves. So, as soon as they wake up off come the badages and the licking/irritation process begins. Hopefully the owner of the cat would agree to pay for pain medication (you’d be amazed at how many people don’t consider it necessary) and we could get the cat started on that to help them out. Otherwise, they got to suffer untill their owner came back to get them. And of course, the cats had to be cleaned up as best a possible. Owners don’t want to see bloddy animals. That might imply that something bad was done. Declawing is a very sad, barberic, and unecessary thing to do to an animal. We had two cats when my son was born a year and a half ago. Both of them were absolutely spoiled rotten, they were my babies before I had my baby. We lost our dear sweet Abbey cat, but I still have my Miss Kitty. She and my son have their tense moments, but that’s why I’m here! I moderate and no one gets hurt! Much better than having unnecessary, inhumane, and selfish sugery performed on my sweet kitty! Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
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PopBomb: | >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this | crap. | And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the | painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is | a serious issue. PopBomb: | >I don’t allow | >violence to anyone including pets. | Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and | you state that you would do violence again with your statement | below. | … It’s possible that he’s just not bright enough to think that conceptually. That would explain the status anxiety in the first sentence. As far as an argument goes, this is just good old "I have the power" also known as "the cat is my property." — { http://www.etaoin.com | latest new material 1/10 <-adv’t
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[snipped] > You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s > insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? > More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that > would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to > direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not > amputate." > C.
Well, C., to be completely honest, I don’t think there’s much to be said by anyone that would change his mind, insults or otherwise. I’m sure you’ve met some people that are right, goldarnit, and no one is gunna change thur mind, no way, no how. They’ll fight to the death their right to be right. My dad was one and he ended up in an early grave. And don’t forget, as PopBomb put it, I’m an asshole. I have a reputation to live up to, doncha know? *grins* lisaviolet <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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> >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
<snipped> > AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She > does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not > just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-)
<snipped> > Regards, Helen S
Gee, thanks Helen!! You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. Gosh, maybe even both of them. *VBG* lisaviolet — <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc.
Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in your condemnation of people who love animals, especially since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You know, many of us have chosen not to have children because there are already TOO MANY being produced by bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I can only tell you with absolute authority that you are completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about responsibility and having a life. Karen Hohne
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Boy, PopBomb, did you miss the boat on that one. My point wasn’t that your kid was an asshole. I never said that. And if you think I implied it, well, I certainly didn’t mean to. The kid that was an asshole was the one that threw the cat into the pool 42 years ago. I think that’s what I said. Yes, we love our cats. When I was a child, a long, long, long, long time ago, if our cat scratched me, my mom said you probably deserved it, now leave the damn cat alone. And I did. I learned to be gentle. Sheesh. Take a deep breath. lisaviolet who now proudly can add asshole to her other names. Cat Nazi Wacko Fanatic Pro-Clinton Anti-Clinton Pro-Abortion Anti-Abortion Liberal Conservative Zealot Animal Rights Fanatic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that > you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move > when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I > dont think so. > And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i > wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow > violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how > ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine > arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are > not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not > hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human > companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my > children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. > RUSS
– <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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RUSS, Hopefully you are also teaching your child that your cats are different from many, if not most, other cats– for your child’s sake. If you are not teaching your child to handle all cats gently or with respect for their potential, you might be inadvertantly increasing the chance of your child being injured by a cat that has not been amputated, or of being bitten by one that has. Some cats cannot be handled a lot, or must be handled with consideration for individual characteristics. If your child sees you continuing to play with a cat in a fashion that provokes the cat to undesired behavior, even if you consider this to be normal play, maybe the child will not understand that this is something s/he should not do. You might declaw and defang your own, but you cannot "protect" your child in such a fashion from other animals. The abortion reference is useless. Good luck. Pam ==== – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? >I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t >allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows >how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed >my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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lots snipped…. >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this
crap. And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is a serious issue. >I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.
Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and you state that you would do violence again with your statement below. That is sad – because it is your helpless animals that suffer the consequences of your ignorant attitude. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
I make no apologies for being passionate about an issue of animal welfare. I am also passionate about many other things too – people being "passionate" about issues is what gets things done. Apathy achieves diddly squat:-) AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-) AS for more human companionship in the lives of people who are anti-declaw, well, I for one have plenty. I have a loving, caring family – who care about animal welfare too, oh, and lots of human friends too. It’s just that none of my *friends* like animal abuse. As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. Regards, Helen S
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I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I dont think so. And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. RUSS
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snipped] > You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido > jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you > think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. > Gosh, maybe even both of them. > *VBG* > lisaviolet > — > <http://www.lisaviolet.com> > visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace > I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners > my email address is on my website > emails may be posted
You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not amputate." C. — For e-mail change woman to women.
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>Gee, thanks Helen!!
You’re welcome:-) >You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido >jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you >think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. >Gosh, maybe even both of them.
LOL! He thinks my comments are bad. Oh boy! Usually I’m more tactful than Pussido:-) Regards, Helen S
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>.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say >those >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont >want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a >new
Yawn……. *Warning, warning* *Testosterone alert* Yo! Machoman is in town. Can’t you just picture him swaggering into the saloon, sorting out the local outlaws… Yawn…. Gosh, all that testosterone, must be why he has to demonstrate it in having part of his cat’s feet amputated. Let’s face it, all that testosterone has to have an outlet – let’s show that darned cat who’s boss hereabouts – off with it’s claws – heck that’s a much more macho way to deal with it than by that wimpy, soppy *female* way of clipping the claws. Nah… got to show these darned critters who is boss! Yawn….. Helen S
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sandoz kirjoitti: >Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I >think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given >pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing.
I have been meaning to ask this for quite some time now: Are there any sites where this would be shown? Are there any sites with pictures (photos or drawings) showing just how much of the paw is removed? Many have said "if they only saw"… Is anyone really showing the real picture? Satu – And no, I hadn’t heard of this toe amputation before taking a peek in the cat groups. I, our vets and our legislation find declawing animal abuse (which can send you to prison). What I found was so horrifying I stayed just to read what people use as excuses.
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>To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry >you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning >pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children >"bastards" is the lowest of the low.
Ha!!! Don’t flatter yourself. you’ve already done a good job of making an ass of yourself, this only rectifies it. And, sorry, but there’s no way getting any lower than that trash that spewing from your orifice. >You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including >taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say
those You think that doing whatever you can for and loving your animals, includes declawing them??!!! Give us all a break. If that were true, you would’ve spent the time to teach your cats to use a scratching post and teach your brats to handle their pets more respectfully. Not only have you proven bad caretaking of your animals, but terrible parenting. "Oh, it’s okay honey. You can pull the kitty around the house by it’s tail, ’cause I’ll just having it’s toes cut off." Very wise lessons you are teaching your children… >nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at >anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want >any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think >i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
Wow, and such tactical and witty responses here. Go for the groin. I hope that you’re not using such filthy language around your kids. J.Coyer CVT
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You just don’t get it, do you Russ – declawing is illegal or not done unless for medical reasons in many, many countries. It *is* seen as anim al abuse. In the UK – the British Veterinary Association views declawing as "unnecessary mutilation". To those of us who live in the *many* places where declawing isn’t performed , it IS abuse, unless it is carried out for medical reasons. Having it carried out for your personal laziness because you cannot be bothered to find out how to deal with a pet in a humane fashion is – to me and many others – abuse. Regards, helen S
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>>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. >This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have >been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and >ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice >friggen day. >RUSS
Hmmm, talk about stupid and ignorant. You’re just like the kettle who called the pot black. You don’t think declawing is "harming" your cat??? Give me a break. Let me ask you a few things….first, are you aware of the technical details of onychetomy???….secondly, did you witness the first fews hours of your cat(s)’s recovery after the surgery?? Apparently not, because if you did, you wouldn’t be spouting a bunch of b.s. And if you did, then your idea of protecting and caring for your "pet" is disgusting. J.Coyer CVT P.S. And *this* kind of comment pisses me off more than anything cause it’s ignorant and bullheaded.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
blanke. I just wish that some of your common sense would rub off on these pitiful souls…. J.Coyer CVT
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the home page of the Twisty Cats is located??? Thanks! Brenda
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After reading posts about people having to put their cats to sleep and seeing how these cat newsgroups respond, its really disappointing when we gets posts like this one. No one on either side of this issue is going to convince the other to believe what they do by name calling… especially calling someone fat.. I mean , no offense, but how old are you? If you found out she was black, would you start tossing around the N word as well? Its the same thing. Just agree to disagree and grow up. You are only making yourself look bad.. remember.. its one thing to just look like an ass , but when you open your mouth ( in a flame) you remove all doubt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, >Russ, you might find the rewards worth it.
This comment pisses me off more then any other because my whole life i have been seriously against animal abuse.I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.Your comment is as stupid and ignorant as you.Do not judge me unless you know me.Thank you and have a nice friggen day. RUSS
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lots snipped again…. The point is that you did harm your cat. Deliberately amputating several phalanges, severing several ligaments and tendons for non-medical reasons does harm. It is painful, utterly unnecessary, and mutilating. You are conveniently deluding yourself to justify having done what you have. >I would NEVER in anyway harm an animal.If i >thought that declawing my cat would harm her in anyway i would never ever do >it.I protect my pets like i protect anyone i love.
I then fear for those you love – amputating cats’ toes for your convenience is not loving nor is it protection. >Do not judge me unless you know me.
We can only judge by people’s actions and it is entirely justifiable, reasonable, and logical to do so. What you state belies your actions, so what you say is meaningless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->RUSS
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To Ms.Karen Holme……I say Ms. because there is no way anyone would marry you.You’re probably the stereotypical fat lowlife white trash 30 cat owning pig.I know this sounds bad on my part but for you to call my children "bastards" is the lowest of the low. You piece of shit.I love animals and do whatever i can for them including taking in strays.Just because i declawed my cat gives you no right to say those nasty things about me and my family.I never once said i was great at anything.Just because you can’t get a date…i mean..just because you dont want any kids doesnt mean you can condem me for loving mine over an animal.I think i’ll stick around for a while in this news group.So back up fatty,there’s a new
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Karen….I just printed out your post and will keep it on hand for the next time someone asks me about declawing. It brought tears to my eyes. I look at my three cats and I can’t imagine ever doing anything to harm them or make them unhappy. They grace me with their beauty and trust me to care for them and caring does not involve amputating their toes! Why is this so difficult for some to understand? At least if these people could admit that they were going against the nature of the cat, their arguments while never convincing, might be a little easier to swallow. But noooooo….they accuse us of being wrong. What this whole declawing issue amounts to is there are cat people and there are "cat" people and never the twain shall meet. How often have you heard people say, "oh yeah, I have three or six or ten cats, but they are never allowed indoors." These are pets? Why bother? I left this board once before because of this issue. It seems some things never change. Again, thank you for your informative and well written post!! Cat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I was in >high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was >so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed.
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PopBomb wrote a lot of macho drivel, like: >So back up fatty,there’s a new
Dream on, you hapless twit. You haven’t a clue. You’ve got to lord it over your cat because it’s a helpless creature and you are a failure as a human being. You come into a newsgroup and think you’re going to lord it over a bunch of adults. Duh! Send away for a brain, asshole. Karen Hohne, not Ms., Doctor
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Hate to but in here but this is one topic that really bugs me. When I was in high school I volunteered at a local Vet. clinic during the summers. It was so increadably sad to see beautiful, proud cats come in and get declawed. I think if owners had to see their cats before they are cleaned up and given pain meds they wouldn’t be so happy-go-lucky about declawing. The surgery it’s self is pretty routine. The anesthetic is actually the risky part acording to the Vet I worked for. Cats are very sensitive to being knocked out. Not very wise to subject your beloved cat to anything harmful unless it’s really necessary. You’d be shocked at the number of touch and go cases we had when cats went under, and this is at a very well run clinic with top notch Vets. Then, after the surgery was performed, the cats paws would be wrapped and the cats would be put in small cages so they couldn’t flail around to much and hurt themselves as they were waking up. The badages had to be changed frequently becasue of bleeding, but carefully as to not irritate the the injured areas. I usually got the fun job of cleaning up the bloody cages (that’s what you get for being at the bottom of the pecking order!:) . As the cats wake up, most of them flounder about and whimper pathetically. It’s so sad. They try to walk and it’s obvious they are in a great deal of pain. They’re off balanced from the anesthetic and becasue their feet hurt. The bandages just bug the hell out of most of them. They’re disoriented, scared, and lonely. Then comes the issue of infection. Cats by nature want to clean themselves. So, as soon as they wake up off come the badages and the licking/irritation process begins. Hopefully the owner of the cat would agree to pay for pain medication (you’d be amazed at how many people don’t consider it necessary) and we could get the cat started on that to help them out. Otherwise, they got to suffer untill their owner came back to get them. And of course, the cats had to be cleaned up as best a possible. Owners don’t want to see bloddy animals. That might imply that something bad was done. Declawing is a very sad, barberic, and unecessary thing to do to an animal. We had two cats when my son was born a year and a half ago. Both of them were absolutely spoiled rotten, they were my babies before I had my baby. We lost our dear sweet Abbey cat, but I still have my Miss Kitty. She and my son have their tense moments, but that’s why I’m here! I moderate and no one gets hurt! Much better than having unnecessary, inhumane, and selfish sugery performed on my sweet kitty! Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people >are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just >get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc. >Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in >your condemnation of people who love animals, especially >since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine >parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, >I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual >worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat >that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You >know, many of us have chosen not to have children because >there are already TOO MANY being produced by >bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking >as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the >pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people >like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I >can only tell you with absolute authority that you are >completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. >Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your >liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or >soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a >rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel >superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, >screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a >vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about >responsibility and having a life. >Karen Hohne
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PopBomb: | >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this | crap. | And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the | painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is | a serious issue. PopBomb: | >I don’t allow | >violence to anyone including pets. | Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and | you state that you would do violence again with your statement | below. | … It’s possible that he’s just not bright enough to think that conceptually. That would explain the status anxiety in the first sentence. As far as an argument goes, this is just good old "I have the power" also known as "the cat is my property." — { http://www.etaoin.com | latest new material 1/10 <-adv’t
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[snipped] > You’re right Lisaviolet, that does sound terrible. Do you honestly think PD’s > insults will be an effective way to educate this man to the facts of declawing? > More than likely the only result would be another flame war. I don’t think that > would be "worth a grin". Are these declawing threads here for sport? Better to > direct him to your informative website and stand by your motto to "educate, not > amputate." > C.
Well, C., to be completely honest, I don’t think there’s much to be said by anyone that would change his mind, insults or otherwise. I’m sure you’ve met some people that are right, goldarnit, and no one is gunna change thur mind, no way, no how. They’ll fight to the death their right to be right. My dad was one and he ended up in an early grave. And don’t forget, as PopBomb put it, I’m an asshole. I have a reputation to live up to, doncha know? *grins* lisaviolet <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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> >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
<snipped> > AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She > does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not > just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-)
<snipped> > Regards, Helen S
Gee, thanks Helen!! You know, this might sound terrible, but I would love to see Pussido jump in on this one. That would certainly be worth a grin, don’t you think? She could handle him with one hand tied behind her back, I bet. Gosh, maybe even both of them. *VBG* lisaviolet — <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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PopBomb wrote a lot of real heated stuff about how people are WAY more important than pets and why don’t we all just get lives, for crying out loud: >Etc.
Gee, PopBomb, I find it sad that you’re so passionate in your condemnation of people who love animals, especially since you so loudly congratulate yourself on your fine parenting skills–i.e., that you hold your little bastards, I mean, children to be so high in the scale of spiritual worth that you’d just personally declaw any fricking cat that dared scratch the little brats, I mean, darlings. You know, many of us have chosen not to have children because there are already TOO MANY being produced by bottom-of-the-gene-pool types like yourself. But speaking as someone whose job it has been in the past to educate the pewling, whining little treasures squirted out by people like yourself who see the rest of the world as inferior, I can only tell you with absolute authority that you are completely deluded in your self-estimation of your worth. Perhaps you ought to find another newsgroup more to your liking, maybe alt.self.congratulatory, rec.arrogant, or soc.culture.smug-shit. I’ll bet there’s even a rec.young.hapless.dimwitted.parent for you to join and feel superior to everyone else who’s supporting your filthy, screaming, snot-nosed little accidents’ education. Get a vasectomy, Russ, then come back and lecture us about responsibility and having a life. Karen Hohne
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Boy, PopBomb, did you miss the boat on that one. My point wasn’t that your kid was an asshole. I never said that. And if you think I implied it, well, I certainly didn’t mean to. The kid that was an asshole was the one that threw the cat into the pool 42 years ago. I think that’s what I said. Yes, we love our cats. When I was a child, a long, long, long, long time ago, if our cat scratched me, my mom said you probably deserved it, now leave the damn cat alone. And I did. I learned to be gentle. Sheesh. Take a deep breath. lisaviolet who now proudly can add asshole to her other names. Cat Nazi Wacko Fanatic Pro-Clinton Anti-Clinton Pro-Abortion Anti-Abortion Liberal Conservative Zealot Animal Rights Fanatic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that > you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move > when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I > dont think so. > And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i > wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow > violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how > ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine > arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are > not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not > hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human > companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my > children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. > RUSS
– <http://www.lisaviolet.com> visit the best little cathouse in cyberspace I am my mother’s daughter and we take no prisoners my email address is on my website emails may be posted
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RUSS, Hopefully you are also teaching your child that your cats are different from many, if not most, other cats– for your child’s sake. If you are not teaching your child to handle all cats gently or with respect for their potential, you might be inadvertantly increasing the chance of your child being injured by a cat that has not been amputated, or of being bitten by one that has. Some cats cannot be handled a lot, or must be handled with consideration for individual characteristics. If your child sees you continuing to play with a cat in a fashion that provokes the cat to undesired behavior, even if you consider this to be normal play, maybe the child will not understand that this is something s/he should not do. You might declaw and defang your own, but you cannot "protect" your child in such a fashion from other animals. The abortion reference is useless. Good luck. Pam ==== – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move >when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? >I >dont think so. >And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i >wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t >allow >violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows >how >ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine >arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are >not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not >hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human >companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed >my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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lots snipped…. >I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this
crap. And I find it sad as well as ignorant that you dismiss the painful and unnecessary amputation of animals as "crap". It is a serious issue. >I don’t allow >violence to anyone including pets.
Ah! But you have already by amputating for your convenience and you state that you would do violence again with your statement below. That is sad – because it is your helpless animals that suffer the consequences of your ignorant attitude. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my >children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. >RUSS
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>I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it >that >you let cats run your lives?
I make no apologies for being passionate about an issue of animal welfare. I am also passionate about many other things too – people being "passionate" about issues is what gets things done. Apathy achieves diddly squat:-) AS for Lisaviolet, well, if she’s an asshole, she’s my kind of asshole:-) She does a lot to rescue unwanted cats, and promotes issues of cat welfare – not just declawing – on her webpage. Yup, my kind of asshole:-) AS for more human companionship in the lives of people who are anti-declaw, well, I for one have plenty. I have a loving, caring family – who care about animal welfare too, oh, and lots of human friends too. It’s just that none of my *friends* like animal abuse. As for getting a life – try and get one that doesn’t involve animal abuse, Russ, you might find the rewards worth it. Regards, Helen S
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I find it sad that you people are so passionate about this crap.Why is it that you let cats run your lives? Some of you bright people say to learn to move when your cat is about to scratch…replace rugs that your cats clawed up???? I dont think so. And that Lisaviolet asshole…..My kid doesnt rough my cats up because i wouldnt let him.I love my cats and they get treated like royalty.I don’t allow violence to anyone including pets.So to say what you said about that shows how ignorant a person you are.Maybe your kids are little assholes but mine arent.Cats are PETS and are to be loved and treated like family,but they are not kings and queens of the household.People come first and pets second.Not hard to understand.If it is then obviously there should be some more human companionship in your lives.Oh and yes,if my cat’s bit and seriously harmed my children,then yes i would de-tooth them.Thank you again. RUSS
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