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Here is another ‘bad words from kids’ incident. My husband and brother were helping to fix my sister’s car. While they worked, my 3-yr-old nephew was in the driver’s seat pretending to drive. My husband noticed that he was chanting over and over to himself, so stopped to listen to what the little boy was saying. My nephew was chanting, "Come on, you asshole! Come on, you asshole!" (He picked up such charming language from my sister, who we know to be a less than patient driver.)
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OK, my turn for a story. About a month ago we took both kids to the mall and had dinner there. The mall was packed, the kids were animals, and we were about to lose our minds. On the way home (about a 40 min drive) the oldest (5) gets really jazzed up. My husband tells me to pull the car over. So I pull over and he gets out. I am thinking he will hit him, but we don’t hit so I don’t know what he is doing. Owen watches him get out and starts to cry. My dh opens the door and says something to him (I don’t remember) and gets back in. Owen is still crying. When he finally calms down a few miles later he says "Daddy scared the hell out of me"!! This is the same child that while doing the ABC’s with my grandma, gets to the letter F and when she asks what comes after F he says U. Andrea – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am reminded of a story told to me by a coworker about her interesting ride > with a swearing toddler—-she and the little girl were riding in the back of > the car with child’s dad and mom in front. The toddler broke out in a loud > singsong of "F**ker, f**ker, f**ker, f**ker!!!" At first the embarassed parents > tried to ignore it but as it got louder and more insistent, the mother turned > around and loudly rebuked the child. This caused the child to become silent and > she quietly sulked for a few minutes. But then, in a whisper, came, "f**cker, > f**ker, f**ker……" My friend couldn’t help but giggle……I laughed just > listening to her tell the story!Deanne;p > Heh – and in turn, that reminded me of this story: > We were driving the drive back from my mother’s, and when turning onto > the > freeway, found ourselves in the THIRD traffic jam in an hour. I > turned to > David and said, "Dave, I’m gonna say a bad word … awwww SHIT!" I > looked over at > him and he was looking at me, so I said "you can say one too, if you > want." > He looked out at the sea of cars in front of us, turned his palms > upward and > said in an exasperated tone "I don’t *fuckin’* believe it!" I cracked > up > totally – I’m not sure where he heard the phrase, but it was just the > laugh > needed, honestly. > Kimberly Bobrow > http://www.bobrow.net
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’ve all but erased the word ‘bitch’ from the house, which our 4 year > old picked up from a kid from school <sighs> by calmly, but surely > EVERY time he says it setting a timer and having him say ‘bitch’ for > two solid minutes. Takes the power out of the word, and it’s old by 8 > seconds, let alone 2 minutes! First time it worked 3 weeks, next time > a month, a month again after that, and I don’t think we’ve heard it > now for more than that. > We don’t let him do anything else until the 2 minutes are > accomplished, but we’re calm throughout, and sit with him while he > does it. One time he was REALLY mad, and used the word 3 times – he > had to do 6 minutes – we took breaks in between. > Good luck – it’s the kind of consequence that couldn’t hurt to try 
> Kimberly Bobrow > http://www.bobrow.net
I am reminded of a story told to me by a coworker about her interesting ride with a swearing toddler—-she and the little girl were riding in the back of the car with child’s dad and mom in front. The toddler broke out in a loud singsong of "F**ker, f**ker, f**ker, f**ker!!!" At first the embarassed parents tried to ignore it but as it got louder and more insistent, the mother turned around and loudly rebuked the child. This caused the child to become silent and she quietly sulked for a few minutes. But then, in a whisper, came, "f**cker, f**ker, f**ker……" My friend couldn’t help but giggle……I laughed just listening to her tell the story!Deanne;p
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> I am reminded of a story told to me by a coworker about her interesting ride > with a swearing toddler—-she and the little girl were riding in the back of > the car with child’s dad and mom in front. The toddler broke out in a loud > singsong of "F**ker, f**ker, f**ker, f**ker!!!" At first the embarassed parents > tried to ignore it but as it got louder and more insistent, the mother turned > around and loudly rebuked the child. This caused the child to become silent and > she quietly sulked for a few minutes. But then, in a whisper, came, "f**cker, > f**ker, f**ker……" My friend couldn’t help but giggle……I laughed just > listening to her tell the story!Deanne;p
Heh – and in turn, that reminded me of this story: We were driving the drive back from my mother’s, and when turning onto the freeway, found ourselves in the THIRD traffic jam in an hour. I turned to David and said, "Dave, I’m gonna say a bad word … awwww SHIT!" I looked over at him and he was looking at me, so I said "you can say one too, if you want." He looked out at the sea of cars in front of us, turned his palms upward and said in an exasperated tone "I don’t *fuckin’* believe it!" I cracked up totally – I’m not sure where he heard the phrase, but it was just the laugh needed, honestly. Kimberly Bobrow http://www.bobrow.net
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> I need some advice on how to deal with my 4 year-old’s obsession with the > word f***you. Please don’t suggest soap or spanking. Thanks, Jewli
Jewli, I don’t have the exact situation, but close. My 5 year old has discovered the joys of burping. Not just quiet normal burps, but the obnoxious forced ones. He does them anywhere-anytime. It drives me nuts. I tried not to make too big of a deal about them, but now doing it has become almost a habit. I don’t know if he even thinks before he does it. Today we were shopping and he lets one out in the store. I told him it was time to go. We had more to do, but he had to know that I was not taking "a boy that sounds like that in public". I stayed calm and did not raise my voice. At home when he does it is not that bad, but I don’t want to continue this behavior. If he does it while watching TV, it goes off and I tell him he can’t possibly hear the TV with that going on so I have to turn it off. Same as books and activities like that. He has been excused from the table, and other play situations. I try to tell him that it is bad manners. This means we have to be careful to nit do the same! If your child hears these words then he may see it as ok to say. We tell our son that when he is a "dad" he can use these words but they are not kid words. So far it has worked. Thank God because my husband has one rotten mouth!! Good Luck, Andrea
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> I have a son who will be 4 in June. He has picked up a bad word that he > says a lot at home. We have tried time-outs and taking away toys. We don’t > believe in spanking or washing his mouth out with soap. I need some > advice.
We’ve all but erased the word ‘bitch’ from the house, which our 4 year old picked up from a kid from school <sighs> by calmly, but surely EVERY time he says it setting a timer and having him say ‘bitch’ for two solid minutes. Takes the power out of the word, and it’s old by 8 seconds, let alone 2 minutes! First time it worked 3 weeks, next time a month, a month again after that, and I don’t think we’ve heard it now for more than that. We don’t let him do anything else until the 2 minutes are accomplished, but we’re calm throughout, and sit with him while he does it. One time he was REALLY mad, and used the word 3 times – he had to do 6 minutes – we took breaks in between. Good luck – it’s the kind of consequence that couldn’t hurt to try Kimberly Bobrow http://www.bobrow.net
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> We don’t let him do anything else until the 2 minutes are > accomplished, but we’re calm throughout, and sit with him while he > does it. One time he was REALLY mad, and used the word 3 times – he > had to do 6 minutes – we took breaks in between.
Replying to my own post – I should also mention that we’ve told David that the words can be talked about, in private, when he wants. This usually shows up in the car when he asks if we can "talk about bad words?" For about 2 minutes he gets to ask if the same old words are ‘bad’ and then we’re done with it, in a stress-free way. For whatever reason he never uses anything but the bad word he learned at school. The ones he’s heard elsewhere he has complete control over. Go figure! Kimberly Bobrow http://www.bobrow.net
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I have a son who will be 4 in June. He has picked up a bad word that he says a lot at home. We have tried time-outs and taking away toys. We don’t believe in spanking or washing his mouth out with soap. I need some advice. Jewli
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> I have a son who will be 4 in June. He has picked up a bad word that he > says a lot at home. We have tried time-outs and taking away toys. We don’t > believe in spanking or washing his mouth out with soap. I need some > advice. > Jewli
Ignore it totally, no reaction whatsoever, like he never said it. Eventually he will lose interest. Teri
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I need some advice on how to deal with my 4 year-old’s obsession with the word f***you. Please don’t suggest soap or spanking. Thanks, Jewli jewli judd-tsongas 5051 computer science jjuddt01 I love my son
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Dear Jewli, Well, you can always get him enlisted into the Marines. But really, I would sit him down and explain to him that it is rude and that you will not stand for it. Be calm but firm. If he says the majic words by a nice dessert for dinner that evening, for everyone but him. Maybe when he sees everyone but him eating cake he will get the idea. Punishment is not always effective in eliminating a behavior. It more often than not masks it or hides it. Failure to reward gains rates of compliance almost as high as punishment, but with fewer negative effects. Lorne D. Gilsig
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Dear Alison, I have been sent to my room 100 times, and I never did understand the punishment value of it. My room was, after all, where all my stuff was. "You are sentenced to two hours playing with your erector set. May God have mercy on your soul". Lorne D. Gilsig
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Thanks Andrea. You made my night! Humor definitely relieves the stress! jewli judd-tsongas
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My 5-yr-old tries out vulgar language, too. I have told him that we don’t want to hear those words, that those words make people feel bad. If he continues to say them, I send him to his room, telling him that if he wants to talk that way he will have to go where the rest of us don’t have to listen. Pretty soon he gets tired of being by himself and stops. He still does it, though, and we’re still trying to break him of the habit. Thank God he hasn’t tried out his new vocabulary at school – yet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I need some advice on how to deal with my 4 year-old’s obsession with the > word f***you. Please don’t suggest soap or spanking. Thanks, Jewli
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>Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any >and watch your language. >April McCrea > April McCrea, formerly Anderson, since you choose to sit
on your high horse pontificating, I have a couple of questions for you. If it is so bad for someone to write f**k, while using asterics to disquise the word, all because you deem it wrong because a child may ask his/her parents what it means, does that also make it wrong to describe your lack of sex and your husbands lack of an erection, all of course in the spirit of it being bad for the little eyes. Since you posted the above in a parenting ng, should you censor yourself and state your immaturity at doing it? Or, is it o.k. for you to do as you wish, but not the rest of us. And is it not also considered improper use of the net to continually repost the same thing over and over, as you do your diatribe on breeding. Pot- Kettle? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means?
Trust me, any kid old enough to read who attends public school knows very well what f**k means. My 4-year-old brother knows what f**k means. Other 4-year-old kids in his daycare class use it. And if you think your child isn’t old enough to know what f**k means, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING ON THE INTERNET UNSUPERVISED?!?? Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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I think I agree. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well I suspect its because those people *are* rude and immature – what do > you think? > Nancy > Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. snip
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Besides, if the kid can read this NG, then he’s already hear it before.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > and watch your language. > April McCrea > First and foremost, this is USENET, and this group is UNmoderated. > Anyone can post anything that their Terms of Service contract with their ISP > allows. It’s called freedom of speech. > That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming > here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really > bad language. I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it. > I just happed to think about the kids, and others. Doesn’t mean I will never > do it. > And it also does NOT mean that I think anyone should NOT have the > freedom to do so. (I simply don’t read many of the nasty posts, > anyway…..and go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>) > I believe that it is not *our* responsibility to patrol the internet for > other ppl’s children. It is the PARENTS job, and if they can’t do that, then > they need to learn new parenting skills. I think many things that go on > today are because of the parents thinking *everyone* else ought to raise > their children, or share in that responsibility. I have no children, but I > also can respect them very much when they are around me. However it’s a wild > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > MaryBeth
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>Nor do I leave him alone >unsupervised. Ever.
So, you are supervising your child while he is reading the unmoderated newsgroups, and yet complaining about the language? Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html
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> > > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly > why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well > it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy > parents who are too busy doing what they want > to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. > Sad world we live in today. > I do not try to let anyone else "raise" my child. Nor do I leave him alone > unsupervised. Ever. I am always with him no matter what he is doing (except > going to the bathroom of course) so I can make sure that he isn’t getting > into any trouble.
I was not implying that you didn’t attend to your child. What I was saying is that way too many parents today expect others to take responsibilty in raising their kids. I say it every time I go to a resturant or grocery store. In fact it makes my hair stand on end. Too many parents sit their casually eating their dinners at resturants while their kids terrorize the other customers and nearly tear the place down running up and down the isles, while mom and dad do nothing. These are the same kind of parents that would sue the establisment in a heartbeat *IF* little Johnny or Susie fell and broke their arms while running wildly unattended. At any rate you were the one complaining about language on and unmonitored newsgroup in which freedom of speech is part of our Amendment rights. You may not approve of the language and feel your child should not be subjected to it. I would suggest that you do not allow your child to sit there with you a read anything on any Usernet group as you will encounter this language on any group you subscribe to. It is in fact part of the human language, like it or not. Gwen
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> Quote: > That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? > Oh please > Anybody who can read — and I’m assuming that’s anyone over 4 at least — knows > that word already. > Jane Webb > Mudpie & Moonpie
If that isn’t the truth! Gwen
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> > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly > why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well > it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy > parents who are too busy doing what they want > to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. > Sad world we live in today.
I do not try to let anyone else "raise" my child. Nor do I leave him alone unsupervised. Ever. I am always with him no matter what he is doing (except going to the bathroom of course) so I can make sure that he isn’t getting into any trouble.
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> This is an unmoderated newsgroup. A responsible parent will either teach > their kids about manners or will supervise their children when on the > internet. > ~Emily
Emily, As you stated, you heard on the bus. Most kids hear more than their parents even want to know about or think about by the time they are 7-8 years old these days. Many boys in that age group have such potty mouths it would curl your hair. Gwen
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And nothing has quite the same descriptive properties as calling someone and A**hole. Shea – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April > Sure they can! But what’s the fun in that? > Denna > "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the > pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks > The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: > http://www.picantes.com/partay > http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull > http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! > http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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> That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming > here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really > bad language.
Me too as it is the only place I can actually not have a potty mouth. > I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it.
You get your point across marvelously. You should be a writer.:-) > Aand go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>)
Why MB, you sound like me. I am bad, bad bad. It is basically one of those very bad habits I picked as a rebellious teen and have never been able to break it. Lots of times I hate it, but as the Beatles wrote in a song "There is nothing that can be said that can’t be said". I’m probably worse than a sailor. > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children.
Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy parents who are too busy doing what they want to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. Sad world we live in today. At least we all have the comfort of our dogs.:-) > MaryBeth
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> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language?
Because some people use it as part of their language. I try not to online, unless I need to make a really big point. I > think it is rude and imature.
Possibly. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members?
Yes, I was here when I was 14 and a half (as several of you kindly pointed out) and already knew the connotation of many words used. Then, of course, I’d been hearing them since I was in 2nd grade and took the bus to school. That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means?
Then the parents should have the common sense to teach their kid about bad words before they allow them out into the world, or that children should be supervised by their parents on the net. This is an unmoderated newsgroup. A responsible parent will either teach their kids about manners or will supervise their children when on the internet. ~Emily
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>>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? >That maybe their parents shouldn’t be letting them read unmoderated newsgroups?
dingdingding! ladies and gentlemen, i think we have a winner!!! shelly (who would be much more worried about the crap that’s on prime time teevee than a few dirty words on usenet–sheesh) and elliott & harriet
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> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any > and watch your language. > April McCrea
First and foremost, this is USENET, and this group is UNmoderated. Anyone can post anything that their Terms of Service contract with their ISP allows. It’s called freedom of speech. That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really bad language. I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it. I just happed to think about the kids, and others. Doesn’t mean I will never do it. And it also does NOT mean that I think anyone should NOT have the freedom to do so. (I simply don’t read many of the nasty posts, anyway…..and go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>) I believe that it is not *our* responsibility to patrol the internet for other ppl’s children. It is the PARENTS job, and if they can’t do that, then they need to learn new parenting skills. I think many things that go on today are because of the parents thinking *everyone* else ought to raise their children, or share in that responsibility. I have no children, but I also can respect them very much when they are around me. However it’s a wild world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. MaryBeth
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>oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April
Sure they can! But what’s the fun in that? Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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Quote: That maybe their parents don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Oh please Anybody who can read — and I’m assuming that’s anyone over 4 at least — knows that word already. Jane Webb Mudpie & Moonpie
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Considering you don’t know the difference between a plural and a possessive, I have a feeling you haven’t hit 4th grade yet. ~Emily
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the > first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words > like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. > April > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, > you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. > >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > >and watch your language. > >April McCrea
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>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use?
That maybe their parents shouldn’t be letting them read unmoderated newsgroups? Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html
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>*btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m >subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you >c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …"
Pray tell, which group is this? tori
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>oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April
actually april i’m as grown up as i want to be .. university educated to the tune of almost three degrees and self-employed in the low 6 figures .. i *almost* never swear on the net because i *almost* never swear in real life but sometimes you just gotta have some fun .. and with you i did .. thanx for posting .. ;o)
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hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. feel free to post back april .. ;o) *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any >and watch your language. >April McCrea
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Well, I’m a relative newcomer to newsgroups, and exchanges like this tell me it’s pretty much a waste of my time. Where’s the content? Do I really care about the emotional state of the strangers who vent their feelings here? I checked this because I’m interested in dogs, not debates about languate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the > first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words > like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. > April > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, > you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. > >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > >and watch your language. > >April McCrea
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well I suspect its because those people *are* rude and immature – what do you think? Nancy
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oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any >and watch your language. >April McCrea
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Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any and watch your language. April McCrea
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>Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any >and watch your language. >April McCrea > April McCrea, formerly Anderson, since you choose to sit
on your high horse pontificating, I have a couple of questions for you. If it is so bad for someone to write f**k, while using asterics to disquise the word, all because you deem it wrong because a child may ask his/her parents what it means, does that also make it wrong to describe your lack of sex and your husbands lack of an erection, all of course in the spirit of it being bad for the little eyes. Since you posted the above in a parenting ng, should you censor yourself and state your immaturity at doing it? Or, is it o.k. for you to do as you wish, but not the rest of us. And is it not also considered improper use of the net to continually repost the same thing over and over, as you do your diatribe on breeding. Pot- Kettle? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means?
Trust me, any kid old enough to read who attends public school knows very well what f**k means. My 4-year-old brother knows what f**k means. Other 4-year-old kids in his daycare class use it. And if you think your child isn’t old enough to know what f**k means, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING ON THE INTERNET UNSUPERVISED?!?? Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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I think I agree. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well I suspect its because those people *are* rude and immature – what do > you think? > Nancy > Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. snip
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Besides, if the kid can read this NG, then he’s already hear it before.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > and watch your language. > April McCrea > First and foremost, this is USENET, and this group is UNmoderated. > Anyone can post anything that their Terms of Service contract with their ISP > allows. It’s called freedom of speech. > That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming > here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really > bad language. I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it. > I just happed to think about the kids, and others. Doesn’t mean I will never > do it. > And it also does NOT mean that I think anyone should NOT have the > freedom to do so. (I simply don’t read many of the nasty posts, > anyway…..and go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>) > I believe that it is not *our* responsibility to patrol the internet for > other ppl’s children. It is the PARENTS job, and if they can’t do that, then > they need to learn new parenting skills. I think many things that go on > today are because of the parents thinking *everyone* else ought to raise > their children, or share in that responsibility. I have no children, but I > also can respect them very much when they are around me. However it’s a wild > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > MaryBeth
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>Nor do I leave him alone >unsupervised. Ever.
So, you are supervising your child while he is reading the unmoderated newsgroups, and yet complaining about the language? Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html
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> > > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly > why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well > it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy > parents who are too busy doing what they want > to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. > Sad world we live in today. > I do not try to let anyone else "raise" my child. Nor do I leave him alone > unsupervised. Ever. I am always with him no matter what he is doing (except > going to the bathroom of course) so I can make sure that he isn’t getting > into any trouble.
I was not implying that you didn’t attend to your child. What I was saying is that way too many parents today expect others to take responsibilty in raising their kids. I say it every time I go to a resturant or grocery store. In fact it makes my hair stand on end. Too many parents sit their casually eating their dinners at resturants while their kids terrorize the other customers and nearly tear the place down running up and down the isles, while mom and dad do nothing. These are the same kind of parents that would sue the establisment in a heartbeat *IF* little Johnny or Susie fell and broke their arms while running wildly unattended. At any rate you were the one complaining about language on and unmonitored newsgroup in which freedom of speech is part of our Amendment rights. You may not approve of the language and feel your child should not be subjected to it. I would suggest that you do not allow your child to sit there with you a read anything on any Usernet group as you will encounter this language on any group you subscribe to. It is in fact part of the human language, like it or not. Gwen
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> Quote: > That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? > Oh please > Anybody who can read — and I’m assuming that’s anyone over 4 at least — knows > that word already. > Jane Webb > Mudpie & Moonpie
If that isn’t the truth! Gwen
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> > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. > Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly > why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well > it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy > parents who are too busy doing what they want > to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. > Sad world we live in today.
I do not try to let anyone else "raise" my child. Nor do I leave him alone unsupervised. Ever. I am always with him no matter what he is doing (except going to the bathroom of course) so I can make sure that he isn’t getting into any trouble.
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> This is an unmoderated newsgroup. A responsible parent will either teach > their kids about manners or will supervise their children when on the > internet. > ~Emily
Emily, As you stated, you heard on the bus. Most kids hear more than their parents even want to know about or think about by the time they are 7-8 years old these days. Many boys in that age group have such potty mouths it would curl your hair. Gwen
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And nothing has quite the same descriptive properties as calling someone and A**hole. Shea – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April > Sure they can! But what’s the fun in that? > Denna > "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the > pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks > The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: > http://www.picantes.com/partay > http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull > http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! > http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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> That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming > here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really > bad language.
Me too as it is the only place I can actually not have a potty mouth. > I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it.
You get your point across marvelously. You should be a writer.:-) > Aand go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>)
Why MB, you sound like me. I am bad, bad bad. It is basically one of those very bad habits I picked as a rebellious teen and have never been able to break it. Lots of times I hate it, but as the Beatles wrote in a song "There is nothing that can be said that can’t be said". I’m probably worse than a sailor. > world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children.
Amen! Unfortunately many do not which is exactly why Hilary said "it takes a village to raise kids". Well it shouldn’t *IF* we didn’t have a bunch of lazy parents who are too busy doing what they want to, and expect others to take part in raising their kids. Sad world we live in today. At least we all have the comfort of our dogs.:-) > MaryBeth
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> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language?
Because some people use it as part of their language. I try not to online, unless I need to make a really big point. I > think it is rude and imature.
Possibly. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members?
Yes, I was here when I was 14 and a half (as several of you kindly pointed out) and already knew the connotation of many words used. Then, of course, I’d been hearing them since I was in 2nd grade and took the bus to school. That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means?
Then the parents should have the common sense to teach their kid about bad words before they allow them out into the world, or that children should be supervised by their parents on the net. This is an unmoderated newsgroup. A responsible parent will either teach their kids about manners or will supervise their children when on the internet. ~Emily
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>>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? >That maybe their parents shouldn’t be letting them read unmoderated newsgroups?
dingdingding! ladies and gentlemen, i think we have a winner!!! shelly (who would be much more worried about the crap that’s on prime time teevee than a few dirty words on usenet–sheesh) and elliott & harriet
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> Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents > don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any > and watch your language. > April McCrea
First and foremost, this is USENET, and this group is UNmoderated. Anyone can post anything that their Terms of Service contract with their ISP allows. It’s called freedom of speech. That said, I try very hard, and have probably in the 4-5 years of coming here, can maybe count on both hands the number of times, I’ve used really bad language. I can get my point across, sometimes even better, without it. I just happed to think about the kids, and others. Doesn’t mean I will never do it. And it also does NOT mean that I think anyone should NOT have the freedom to do so. (I simply don’t read many of the nasty posts, anyway…..and go figure, I am as bad as a sailor at home. <BG>) I believe that it is not *our* responsibility to patrol the internet for other ppl’s children. It is the PARENTS job, and if they can’t do that, then they need to learn new parenting skills. I think many things that go on today are because of the parents thinking *everyone* else ought to raise their children, or share in that responsibility. I have no children, but I also can respect them very much when they are around me. However it’s a wild world and the parents need to keep an eye on their children. MaryBeth
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>oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April
Sure they can! But what’s the fun in that? Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool." -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy! http://www.picantes.com/sameold – Are you an unethical Backyard Breeder or Puppymill?
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Quote: That maybe their parents don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Oh please Anybody who can read — and I’m assuming that’s anyone over 4 at least — knows that word already. Jane Webb Mudpie & Moonpie
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Considering you don’t know the difference between a plural and a possessive, I have a feeling you haven’t hit 4th grade yet. ~Emily
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the > first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words > like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. > April > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, > you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. > >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > >and watch your language. > >April McCrea
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>That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use?
That maybe their parents shouldn’t be letting them read unmoderated newsgroups? Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html
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>*btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m >subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you >c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …"
Pray tell, which group is this? tori
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>oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the >first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words >like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. >April
actually april i’m as grown up as i want to be .. university educated to the tune of almost three degrees and self-employed in the low 6 figures .. i *almost* never swear on the net because i *almost* never swear in real life but sometimes you just gotta have some fun .. and with you i did .. thanx for posting .. ;o)
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hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. feel free to post back april .. ;o) *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any >and watch your language. >April McCrea
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Well, I’m a relative newcomer to newsgroups, and exchanges like this tell me it’s pretty much a waste of my time. Where’s the content? Do I really care about the emotional state of the strangers who vent their feelings here? I checked this because I’m interested in dogs, not debates about languate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the > first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words > like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. > April > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, > you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. > >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I > >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought > >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading > >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their > parents > >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any > >and watch your language. > >April McCrea
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well I suspect its because those people *are* rude and immature – what do you think? Nancy
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oh, aren’t you just so mature to have to even use words like that in the first place. A person can get their point across without having to use words like that. The one’s who do use words like that need to grow up. April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hmmmm .. methinks somebody should learn what the word UNMODERATED means .. > it means i can post any f**kin thing i want too and when somebody f**kin > disagrees with me they can post back and call me a f**kin pinhead .. > feel free to post back april .. ;o) > *btw* you think this newsgoup is bad?? this newsgroup is TAME .. i’m > subscribed to a couple where in the subject line it will read .. "XXXX, you > c**t, wh**e, b**ch, why don’t you just f**k off and die …" > my effort to keep things clean is to use the little ** marks .. >Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I >think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought >about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading >this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents >don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have > any >and watch your language. >April McCrea
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Why do certain people on this news group insist on using foul language? I think it is rude and imature. Have any of you bad mouthed people thought about the ages of some of the members? That maybe there are kids reading this stuff and they see some of the words you use? That maybe their parents don’t appricaite being asked what f**k means? Use you brains if you have any and watch your language. April McCrea
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