Pure Parents

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>Melissa – shove it up your self-righteous ass.

Oh, MARK!  Do you kiss yer kids with that mouth? >You don’t know what I’ve done >or what I’m doing. And I am sick and tired of you whining that you are the >only person in the world capable and knowledgeable to do anything about >this.

I see that you have a problem with reading as well as the afore-mentioned problem with writing.  She was giving you information about how to be more effective in what you said that you wanted to do. >I’m glad you’re doing stuff about this – or say you are anyways – but >I also have this thing called a family to support which takes up 60 hours of >my week right off the bat. I do what I can with what I have and that’s all I >ask of anybody. For those who make it their profession or whatever and can >afford to spend more time with it I am glad. But you have absolutely NO >RIGHT whatsoever to critisize others for being upset about it and doing what >they can when they can just because you claim to be able to do more. That’s >BULLSHIT!!

Cripes, you are stressed!  You might wanna back off at work a bit.  I’m just imagining what you kids have to deal with, given all of the stress that you are expressing, here. You have had Mel present some information virtually without sarcasm and *still* you go off at her as if *she* had done something wrong. Is recess almost over and it’s almost time for you to go back and sit quietly with the other kids, now? — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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Im not really on a crusade. I had posted this message to another newsgroup and one guy said that he went to the newsgroup and found, in his mind, NO child pornography and thus wouldn’t take any action against it. He said that he had viewed EVERY picture on the sight and had seen nothing other pictures of naked young boys – which he didn’t see pornographic. He told me to give him the names of posters who were posting the pornographic stuff. In order to verify this I went back and checked myself and of course did find the NG loaded with blatent child pornography not just nude pictures. In the course of doing so I also noticed that someone had posted pictures with a valid email address and I gave it to this guy. I do not want anyone to have to look at these siockening pictures except if they need to validate the existence of them so that they can report it to the authorities and/or take action against this crap in any way they see fit. I seriously hope you were not implying that I was going there for my own benefit. And to answer your question about why I’ve taken the steps I have and why I think it’s important – I saw the looks in  the eyes of the kids in those pictures and, it bothered me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what > Joshua >does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think? > You know, one thing that disturbs me about this is that you are interested > enough to keep going back and looking at this stuff yourself.   Why do you > want us to go and look at this? > Aside from what Glen and others have said about e-mail addresses being > easily forged, why is it that you are on this kind of crusade? > Dorothy

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Im not really on a crusade. I had posted this message to another newsgroup and one guy said that he went to the newsgroup and found, in his mind, NO child pornography and thus wouldn’t take any action against it. He said that he had viewed EVERY picture on the sight and had seen nothing other pictures of naked young boys – which he didn’t see pornographic. He told me to give him the names of posters who were posting the pornographic stuff. In order to verify this I went back and checked myself and of course did find the NG loaded with blatent child pornography not just nude pictures. In the course of doing so I also noticed that someone had posted pictures with a valid email address and I gave it to this guy. I do not want anyone to have to look at these siockening pictures except if they need to validate the existence of them so that they can report it to the authorities and/or take action against this crap in any way they see fit. I seriously hope you were not implying that I was going there for my own benefit. And to answer your question about why I’ve taken the steps I have and why I think it’s important – I saw the looks in  the eyes of the kids in those pictures and, it bothered me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You know, one thing that disturbs me about this is that you are interested > enough to keep going back and looking at this stuff yourself.   Why do you > want us to go and look at this? > Aside from what Glen and others have said about e-mail addresses being > easily forged, why is it that you are on this kind of crusade? > Dorothy

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Melissa – shove it up your self-righteous ass. You don’t know what I’ve done or what I’m doing. And I am sick and tired of you whining that you are the only person in the world capable and knowledgeable to do anything about this. I’m glad you’re doing stuff about this – or say you are anyways – but I also have this thing called a family to support which takes up 60 hours of my week right off the bat. I do what I can with what I have and that’s all I ask of anybody. For those who make it their profession or whatever and can afford to spend more time with it I am glad. But you have absolutely NO RIGHT whatsoever to critisize others for being upset about it and doing what they can when they can just because you claim to be able to do more. That’s BULLSHIT!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >>He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >>sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >>for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >>I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what >Joshua >>does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think? >You know, one thing that disturbs me about this is that you are interested >enough to keep going back and looking at this stuff yourself.   Why do you >want us to go and look at this? >Aside from what Glen and others have said about e-mail addresses being >easily forged, why is it that you are on this kind of crusade? > Dorothy – there are a whole heap of people, all over the world, who > volunteer their time to look for and report child pornography on the > net. I am one of those people. Mark, OTOH, has come across a *tiny* > corner of a worldwide problem, and thinks he can solve it by taking > one simple step.. and he is not interested in being a part of the > effort to solve the *larger* problem. > There are sites all over the place that you can’t find just by doing a > "child porn" search on any search engine. Quite a lot of them will be > posted in newsgroups like alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus. > I recently came across a site <in a newsgroup> that appears to be run > BY teenagers – taking photos of themselves because they can make money > out of it.. now that really is sad. > One reason I would suggest that you go and take a look at this.. I did > not wake up in the morning and think.. Hmm.. I’ve got a bit of spare > time on my hands, I’ll just go and fight against child pornography, > shall I? I got into this because of an argument.. someone said to me > "The net is evil.. theres all kinds of child pornography on there" and > I said "What a load of crap.. I’ve never come across any of it" When I > did a search for it, I got nothing but sites that wanted to stop it, > and as I read further into it, I decided I would like to be involved > in helping to stop it. > When I saw my very first example of child pornography, I felt ill, and > I still keep feeling ill when I l come across it.. but my hope is, > that I can be a part of stopping it, so my children never have to feel > ill, and so my children are never in danger of being molested > themselves. > Thats a pretty big, grand kind of hope, but at least I am doing my bit > towards making it a reality.. whereas Mark is going to just sit back > and make speeches from on high. > Mel >Dorothy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what >Joshua >does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think? >You know, one thing that disturbs me about this is that you are interested >enough to keep going back and looking at this stuff yourself.   Why do you >want us to go and look at this? >Aside from what Glen and others have said about e-mail addresses being >easily forged, why is it that you are on this kind of crusade?

Dorothy – there are a whole heap of people, all over the world, who volunteer their time to look for and report child pornography on the net. I am one of those people. Mark, OTOH, has come across a *tiny* corner of a worldwide problem, and thinks he can solve it by taking one simple step.. and he is not interested in being a part of the effort to solve the *larger* problem. There are sites all over the place that you can’t find just by doing a "child porn" search on any search engine. Quite a lot of them will be posted in newsgroups like alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus. I recently came across a site <in a newsgroup> that appears to be run BY teenagers – taking photos of themselves because they can make money out of it.. now that really is sad. One reason I would suggest that you go and take a look at this.. I did not wake up in the morning and think.. Hmm.. I’ve got a bit of spare time on my hands, I’ll just go and fight against child pornography, shall I? I got into this because of an argument.. someone said to me "The net is evil.. theres all kinds of child pornography on there" and I said "What a load of crap.. I’ve never come across any of it" When I did a search for it, I got nothing but sites that wanted to stop it, and as I read further into it, I decided I would like to be involved in helping to stop it. When I saw my very first example of child pornography, I felt ill, and I still keep feeling ill when I l come across it.. but my hope is, that I can be a part of stopping it, so my children never have to feel ill, and so my children are never in danger of being molested themselves. Thats a pretty big, grand kind of hope, but at least I am doing my bit towards making it a reality.. whereas Mark is going to just sit back and make speeches from on high. Mel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dorothy

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>One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua >does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think?

You know, one thing that disturbs me about this is that you are interested enough to keep going back and looking at this stuff yourself.   Why do you want us to go and look at this? Aside from what Glen and others have said about e-mail addresses being easily forged, why is it that you are on this kind of crusade? Dorothy

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>Point taken Glen. Yes – i have posted under different names too. You may be >correct obviously – but I suspect that this is actually the real dude >because all the other posts are from non-email addresses. Unless the poster >really had it in for someone else (quite possible) he wouldn’t leave an >email address at all.

Some ISPs, newsfeeds and/or newsreaders won’t let people do that. >In either case a simple email with a request for >pornography would probably reveal the guys true nature.

Uh, oh — playing cops-n-robbers on the net? >Thank you for your illucidation (surprisingly without sarcasm!) >:-)

OK, but don’t overlook: > I’m leaving in my actial sig, just so that you can be comfortable > that this post *isn’t* from you. > Glen (he needs all of the help he can get) Appleby

I’m just tryin’ to be helpful. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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Ok – Karla – good suggestion – I will do that!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post > He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child > sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see > for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. > I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua > does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think? > Dear Mark > I would never email anyone acussing them of anything. How do you know > it’s really him? He could be just using a real email adress that belongs > to some else. My husband has a very simple email address and often gets > hate mail, even though he never posts in any newsgroup. I see you are > concrened about this issue how ever maybe your posts would be best suited > in an anti-child porn newsgroup. If there isn’t already one you should > make one.   Frankly I feel your posts are a bit too overwhelmeming (in > number). Maybe you can leave us the name of your newsgroup when you get > it started. > Thank-you > Karla

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> One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post > He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child > sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see > for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. > I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua > does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think?

Dear Mark I would never email anyone acussing them of anything. How do you know it’s really him? He could be just using a real email adress that belongs to some else. My husband has a very simple email address and often gets hate mail, even though he never posts in any newsgroup. I see you are concrened about this issue how ever maybe your posts would be best suited in an anti-child porn newsgroup. If there isn’t already one you should make one.   Frankly I feel your posts are a bit too overwhelmeming (in number). Maybe you can leave us the name of your newsgroup when you get it started. Thank-you Karla

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Point taken Glen. Yes – i have posted under different names too. You may be correct obviously – but I suspect that this is actually the real dude because all the other posts are from non-email addresses. Unless the poster really had it in for someone else (quite possible) he wouldn’t leave an email address at all. In either case a simple email with a request for pornography would probably reveal the guys true nature. Thank you for your illucidation (surprisingly without sarcasm!)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua >does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think? > Mark, you might want to be a bit careful about the assumptions > that you make.  As you can tell by what I changed, here, anybody > can look like anybody, and I didn’t change all that much. > It is not uncommon for posters in those groups to use different, > bogus or pirated email addresses. > I’m not saying that this *is* what happened.  I’m just suggesting > that you appear to be so new to the net that you may not be aware > of how esasy it is to make someone look like someone else.  If > you have made a mistake, just imagine how you will make the > I’m leaving in my actial sig, just so that you can be comfortable > that this post *isn’t* from you. > Glen (he needs all of the help he can get) Appleby > — > Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. > It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think?

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>One of the posters on the aspargus child porn NG was foolish enough to post >He has posted a series of some of the most disturbing and sickening child >sex pictures I have ever seen. If you have the stomach for it you can see >for yourself – I will not describe what i saw here. >I think it would be apropriate for us to express our distaste at what Joshua >does. Maybe alert Mindspring.com as well? What do you think?

Mark, you might want to be a bit careful about the assumptions that you make.  As you can tell by what I changed, here, anybody can look like anybody, and I didn’t change all that much. It is not uncommon for posters in those groups to use different, bogus or pirated email addresses. I’m not saying that this *is* what happened.  I’m just suggesting that you appear to be so new to the net that you may not be aware of how esasy it is to make someone look like someone else.  If you have made a mistake, just imagine how you will make the I’m leaving in my actial sig, just so that you can be comfortable that this post *isn’t* from you. Glen (he needs all of the help he can get) Appleby — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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