Pure Parents

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> I loved the Village People.  They were a little before my time but I still love > that construction worker  

David Hodo Rocks.. Scary when you can name them…. Karla – the Disco Queen

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>Rememebr the Village People?  They were openly gay and most kids (including >me) >didn’t even guess, much less "turn gay".

I loved the Village People.  They were a little before my time but I still love that construction worker   Kendra *Proud to be Outlandish!* http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516

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clarity and wisdom, writ: >I think Falwell is a man of great faith and conviction.  He has the >rights to his beliefs and the forum to speak them loud and clear.  I’m >sure we would also shout our beliefs if we had such a "pulpit". >He offers another view of life that one may agree with or not or you may >believe in some of what he says.   >Let me just say, that in this age of paranoia, subliminal messaging and >general craziness, it is not that far out to believe someone purposely >created Tinky WInky to be gay. >Carol

Sure, he has the right to his beliefs, and we have the right to think that he is a jackass. Let’s just *assume* for a moment that the devious creators of the Teletubbies really *did* create Tinky Winky to be gay, and let’s *assume* that they did it for the *nefarious* purposes of turning our sons into homosexuals. First of all, how likely is it to actually do so? I think the chances would be slim to none. Second, so what if it *does* turn a child gay (again, I think the whole theory is baloney, but nevertheless…)?  I would much prefer that my son be a kind, loving, wonderful human being who happens to be gay than a little Nazi who hates everyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same things he does. Kathleen    "If sense were common, more people would have it." — Me ICQ# – 33613577 **Spam Trap** Accentuate the Positive to send e-mail.

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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >|I am doing a school report on a controversial person in the 1990’s. For >|my person I choose Rev. Jerry Falwell, and whether or not what him >|believes is true. How do you feel? I would like some feedback on your >|opinion and maybe even some facts. The latest news is that "Tink Winky", >|the teletubby is gay and we should not let our children play with them >|because it will influence them. What do you think?

Jerry Falwell is a complete ass.  I don’t pretend to know where the man comes from, but his obsession with people’s sexuality and other aspects of thier private lives borders on (if not actually crosses the line into) the pathological.  He is a "foul well" of bigotry and intolerance, and is precisely the kind of fellow that gives religion a bad name.  Even many Christians look at him with disgust and turn away. I watched about five minutes of a Teletubbies episode once (while channel surfing) and found it agonisingly mind-bending.  It was almost like taking a drug.  It took me ten minutes to get over.  ;-) Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight             |      "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011             |                           — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.    —- Noam Chomsky

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I think Falwell is a man of great faith and conviction.  He has the rights to his beliefs and the forum to speak them loud and clear.  I’m sure we would also shout our beliefs if we had such a "pulpit". He offers another view of life that one may agree with or not or you may believe in some of what he says.   Let me just say, that in this age of paranoia, subliminal messaging and general craziness, it is not that far out to believe someone purposely created Tinky WInky to be gay. Carol

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Angel here > I think Jerry Falwell as too much time on his hands!  

Agreed.  let’s send him back to checking Liberty U coeds for their chastity belts and get on with life. >If he has ever > actually watched the ‘Teletubbies" for any length of time he would > realize that the Teletubbies are always referred to using the female > pronouns.

Bzzzy!  Wrong answer.  Thank you for playing. Tinky Winky and Dipsy are referred to as he. Lala and Po are referred to as she. (Po loves her scooter.  Dipsy loves his hat. Lala loves her ball.  Tinky winky loves his magic bag.) >  And I would like to see some research or proof that my 2 year > old’s sexual orientation is going to be influenced by 4 beings talking > in baby talk.  Granted, the teletubbies are not intellectually > stimultating but my children like the show and even children are allowed > some "no brain" television – Lord knows adults partake in that activity > way too much.

My son has learned things from teletubbies: not to be afraid of the vacuum. big hugs not to fear falling on his bottom (And that he looks like the Sun-baby) Angel, devoted Tubby watcher. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have a happy day!

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I think Jerry Falwell as too much time on his hands!  If he has ever actually watched the ‘Teletubbies" for any length of time he would realize that the Teletubbies are always referred to using the female pronouns.  And I would like to see some research or proof that my 2 year old’s sexual orientation is going to be influenced by 4 beings talking in baby talk.  Granted, the teletubbies are not intellectually stimultating but my children like the show and even children are allowed some "no brain" television – Lord knows adults partake in that activity way too much. Have a happy day!

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ok, here’s my bit… I have many, many other things to worry about where my children are concerned besides what message they might ot might not be getting from a purple critter on tv with a goofy  triangle on his head.  My 4 yr old son plays dress up with his sister, and the two argue over who gets to wear the high heels!  (He always wears them with a cowboy hat, and puts toy airplanes in the purse he chooses) I repeat, I have other things to worry about… Krystal We have enough youth, how about a fountain of smart? Eat the "treat" in my address to e-mail me.

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>I had an openly gay teacher in high school. I was also clueless. >In retrospect, I can’t figure out how I didn’t pick up the clues >about a 35-yr-old former organ major, living alone with 3 cats, >with all kinds of over-the-top speech mannerisms. I’m sure that >every other male in the school had figured it out the first day, >and were making locker room jokes about him. >But Mr. Lawrence was one of my favorite teachers, and I still >remember his classes with great fondness. And if I actually >paid attention, I’d be able to read Latin & French right now >instead of wondering if someday I’ll find the time to re-learn >them.

I also had an openly gay teacher in high school.  I have to say he was one of the best English teachers I had.  On top of being able to guide students through the tangled web of English grammar and literature, he really cared about all of his students.  If someone was going through a rough spot, and who didn’t in high school, you could go to him and he would listen.  Really listen.  Not tell you you were wrong, not claim to have all the answers. Just listen and if he felt he had good avice to impart, he would share it. He also always had a kind word for everyone.  Kids need to know there are people who care about them.  And sometimes Mom and Dad just aren’t enough. There need to be more teachers like Mr. Lee regardless of their sexual orientation and/or gender.  What it always came down to for me is this—he was a good man, a caring man who just happened to be gay.  The first two thing on that list are the important ones.  The third is really irrelevant. As for Jerry Falwell, he just makes me feel sad for him. I would hate to live in a world where I felt compelled to worry about everyone’s sexual orientation, and other business.  He claims to be such a man of God. But from my Sunday school lessons, I remember "love others as you would yourself," and "turn the other cheek."  Not "hate everyone who doesn’t fit this particular mold" and "get them before they overrun the world."   Did I maybe miss that Sunday?  I don’t think so.  I don’t worry that my son likes Tinky Winky or worry that he must therefore be gay.  If when my son is grown he comes to me and tells me he is gay.  I won’t have a problem with that.  I won’t have a problem with it if my daughter does either.  They will still be the wonderful people who I was blessed enough to have in my life.  And while Tinky Winky is goofier than all get out, I don’t view him as an inherantly gay or straight personality.  I think he’s a PIECE OF FICTION that exists only on the television set.  In the real world, he is a costume that an actor puts on.  Some of us did get to the stage of mental development where we can distinguish between real and make believe.  lol Sharon

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I had an openly gay teacher in high school. I was also clueless. In retrospect, I can’t figure out how I didn’t pick up the clues about a 35-yr-old former organ major, living alone with 3 cats, with all kinds of over-the-top speech mannerisms. I’m sure that every other male in the school had figured it out the first day, and were making locker room jokes about him. But Mr. Lawrence was one of my favorite teachers, and I still remember his classes with great fondness. And if I actually paid attention, I’d be able to read Latin & French right now instead of wondering if someday I’ll find the time to re-learn them. For the record, I know his sexual orientation had no effect on me, and I doubt on anybody else either. His presence at the school and the amount of support he got from the administration are a credit to the school. Although he did periodically get what he called the "dreaded headmaster’s hand on the shoulder", because he liked to occasionally spice Latin class up with some of the stuff that doesn’t make into the textbooks of Virgil and Ovid. > Rememebr the Village People?  They were openly gay and most kids (including me) > didn’t even guess, much less "turn gay".  I think it’s sheer stupidity to think > that anyone would go out of their way to subliminally alter a childs sexual > preference, especially when those preferences aren’t really formed until > puberty anyway.  It seems like most of the hard-core bible thumpers believe > that all of society is out to get them and send them straight to hell.  And > there seems to be a heck of a lot of homophobia –  Tinky Wink, Bert and Ernie, > Timon and Pumba, etc….

Words about homophobia from the fundamentalists often go along with comments about "threat to the family" (will somebody please explain to me how the presence of a gay person is going to break up my marriage?), or "gay recruiting" (see above HS memory), and a firm belief that gayness is chosen during adolescence and can be un-chosen.              - Randy P.S. I was also clueless about the Village People. Say, did anyone ever see Abbott & Costello’s old TV show? Speaking of two single guys living together. Hmmm… And how about the Odd Couple?

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writ: >Rememebr the Village People?  They were openly gay and most kids (including me) >didn’t even guess, much less "turn gay".  I think it’s sheer stupidity to think >that anyone would go out of their way to subliminally alter a childs sexual >preference, especially when those preferences aren’t really formed until >puberty anyway.  It seems like most of the hard-core bible thumpers believe >that all of society is out to get them and send them straight to hell.  And >there seems to be a heck of a lot of homophobia –  Tinky Wink, Bert and Ernie, >Timon and Pumba, etc….

LOL! My mother’s *favorite* band was Queen. What was funny about it was the fact that my *very* savvy mother couldn’t figure out how they picked that name… Kathleen    "If sense were common, more people would have it." — Me ICQ# – 33613577 **Spam Trap** Accentuate the Positive to send e-mail.

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Rememebr the Village People?  They were openly gay and most kids (including me) didn’t even guess, much less "turn gay".  I think it’s sheer stupidity to think that anyone would go out of their way to subliminally alter a childs sexual preference, especially when those preferences aren’t really formed until puberty anyway.  It seems like most of the hard-core bible thumpers believe that all of society is out to get them and send them straight to hell.  And there seems to be a heck of a lot of homophobia –  Tinky Wink, Bert and Ernie, Timon and Pumba, etc…. Besides,why does sexual preference matter.  If my child told me he or she were gay, I would be happy that they had someone to share love with rather than worrying about the other persons gender. DB

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Angel here > My opinion?  The guy’s a moron!  It scares me that there are people like > him…..and worse yet, people that follow him.  YIKES!….Carol

I am not frightened by his existance, merely by his leadership. I believe the Rev Falwell was a sincere man, in the 70’s. He did a good sermon, and he believed what he said. but the Moral Majority thing went to his head. By the mid-80’s he was in the flaky camp. Now, he’s old, set in his ways, and riding his hobby horses harder than ever because his days are numbered. > I am doing a school report on a controversial person in the 1990’s. For > my person I choose Rev. Jerry Falwell, and whether or not what him > believes is true.

What do you mean, what he believes? The fundamentalist theology he preaches, or the rumors that get spread with his name attatched? >How do you feel? I would like some feedback on your > opinion and maybe even some facts. The latest news is that "Tink Winky", > the teletubby is gay and we should not let our children play with them > because it will influence them. What do you think?

The Rev never said that.  It was a sideline piece in a publication put out by his printing press.  In fact, it was Newsweek (or was it US News and World report) that outed Tinky Winky.  Out: Ellen.  In: Tinky Winky the gay teletubby. Also, Dr Falwell, in self-defense of this nonsense, watched several episodes(more would be to dare safety), pronounced them safe if not Christian, and was given a Tinky Winky as a gift. Ye Gods, I’m defending Falwell.  But the truth has to get out there. Consider too: every preacher has a hobby horse. Some it’s social activism (Get out and do it!) Some it’s rock&roll (Don’t listen!) Some it’s abortion (don’t have one) Some it’s charity (Give until it hurts) Some it’s the mission field (go! Now!) Some it’s homosexuals (Damned and burnt) Falwell can have as many as he can ride, and you don’t have to listen.  Many will. Most won’t. Angel, not a Falwell fan, but committed to truth

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My opinion?  The guy’s a moron!  It scares me that there are people like him…..and worse yet, people that follow him.  YIKES!….Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am doing a school report on a controversial person in the 1990’s. For > my person I choose Rev. Jerry Falwell, and whether or not what him > believes is true. How do you feel? I would like some feedback on your > opinion and maybe even some facts. The latest news is that "Tink Winky", > the teletubby is gay and we should not let our children play with them > because it will influence them. What do you think? > —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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I am doing a school report on a controversial person in the 1990’s. For my person I choose Rev. Jerry Falwell, and whether or not what him believes is true. How do you feel? I would like some feedback on your opinion and maybe even some facts. The latest news is that "Tink Winky", the teletubby is gay and we should not let our children play with them because it will influence them. What do you think? —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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And we shouldn’t listen to Pink Floydd because beyond other things he has a triangle with a rainbow in it on some of his things! Oh you might want to add that  playing the beetles backwards gives off satanic messages. I think this Man is a fool, who is trying to preach his religion on others. The teletubby won’t turn you gay. I think this rev. is a joke. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am doing a school report on a controversial person in the 1990’s. For > my person I choose Rev. Jerry Falwell, and whether or not what him > believes is true. How do you feel? I would like some feedback on your > opinion and maybe even some facts. The latest news is that "Tink Winky", > the teletubby is gay and we should not let our children play with them > because it will influence them. What do you think? > —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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