Question:
> Hi Steve, I don’t know what postings you are responding to…but what do > they have to do with parenting??? I’m not the only one wondering this I’m > sure. But while I’m here I’m wondering why you sound so pissed off in all of > your postings, if I’m wrong I apologize and if I’m not you need to do some > serious chilling out, for Gods sake and yours have a good day!!
Go someplace where you know what’s going on, and stay there! Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Steve, > > I wasn’t going to get involved in this and probably won’t > > again. As I stated in my original, posting, it’s not my job > > to educate you on the complexities of the entire Viet Nam > > experience. > Especially since I know it better than YOU do! > > I am not likely to change your position, any > > more than you are likely to change mine, making debate > > rather pointless. > Facile bullshit. > > First, let’s define terms. We have Italian Fascism, German > > Nazism and Communism. Now, Fascism and Nazism, are similar > > enough to be considered two sides of the same coin, so I > > will, hereafter, refer to them as Fascism. > And that is it for Fascism. > > Now Communism just may be the perfect form of government if > > applied to a perfect species of intelligent beings. > Not at all required. In fact communism is what is absolutely needed for > anything LESS than a perfect species. > > Unfortunately, for reasons we could debate until our last > > breath, the word, perfect, can hardly be applied to, homo > > sapiens. > Sounds right to me, and that justifies communism completely. > > Soviet economic disarray and the increasing move > > toward Capitalism by Chinese people demonstrate, better than > > I ever could, that Communism, on a large scale, just does > > not work. > Except for the glaring oversight on your part that communism didn’t and > doesn’t exist in either of those nations. Anti-communists always wish to > propagandize that it did/does so that they can believe ill of it, but > the truth is far different! > > The ultimate goal of both Fascism and Communism was world > > domination, differing only in the method of achieving it. > Nonsense. This isn’t any truer of communism than of any other system. > All attempts of people to do justice of whatever kind, and all > enterprises of conquest as well, all have as their desire the > propagation of that system or assault as far as is possible across the > world. The US economy does the very same thing, and the US would accept > any extension of itself in the world that they could possibly justify. > Your criticism is an entirely empty one. > > Fascism gloried war and used naked military force, resulting > > in the loss of many lives, making it easy to recognize the > > necessity of stopping it. > Fascism is viewed as merely an extension of thievery and slavery. > > Communism encouraged and > > supported revolution from within, which also resulted in the > > loss of many lives, but could be viewed as a sovereign > > nation’s internal affair and no one else’s business. > Communism *IS* viewed as movement for justice, and NOT merely some petty > internal national affair!! > > Had > > Fascism used the methods of Communism, > It does not and cannot. And yet all efforts, for justice or for > enslavement, use the very same tools and weapons. Never pretend > that they do not! > > would you, Steve, > > have protested the, Second World War, and now insult and > > malign the veterans, of that war, at every opportunity? > The Nazi’s were wrong, communism is right. You’re full of shit. > > World War II and Viet Nam were fought for exactly the same > > reason. > NOW you’re REALLY full of shit. In Vietnam we fought on the side of the > economic FASCISM propagated by the rich families of the South trying > desperately to retain control of their SLAVE-KINGDOMS!! > > It would seem that many, if not most, agree that cheer > > leading and strong student body support, is important to the > > success of a high school football team. Do you think, > > Steve, that there could be a possibility that the, Viet Nam > > War, might not have lasted any longer than the, Korean War, > > had the leaders of, North Viet Nam, not been encouraged to > > prosecute the war, longer than they might have ordinarily, > > by all their American cheer leaders and draft evaders? How > > many additional lives, on both sides, do you think that > > might have cost, Steve? > Every American soldier who died in Vietnam deserved to!! And MORE! > For crimes against humanity! > > Jane Fonda’s visit to, North Viet Nam, probably came to late > > in the war to have had much effect on the loss of life. > > However, Steve, do you think there might be a possibility > > that her visit might have given the, North Vietnamese, a > > stronger bargaining position, keeping us from maintaining > > troops in, South Viet Nam, to enforce the, peace agreement, > > as we have done these past 47 years in, South Korea? > I couldn’t care less. Also, Korea and Vietnam were unrelated in their > two vastly different natures. They were culturally different and made > two different choices. Vietnam was artificially divided to try to > mollify the Vietnamese people who were trying to liberate their country. > Korea was culturally divided and chose different allies in their OWN > civil war. > > I’m not sure anymore, but I believe it was you, Steve, who > > quoted, Grace Slick, as having said, "War is good business, > > invest your sons! I’d rather my country died for me!" If > > the protesters and draft evaders continue to have their way, > > their country may, indeed, die for them. They may > > accomplish in less than three hundred years what it took a > > thousand in the case of the, Roman Empire. > If the USA can’t do better than the Roman Empire, then it deserves to > die. Things change, people change, thank God. > > Many people feel that American troops lost the war in, Viet > > Nam. Richard Nixon won the presidency on his promise to get > > us out of, Viet Nam. American troops left, Viet Nam, in > > 73. Saigon, fell in 75. The people who lost the war, were > > the people who voted for, Richard Nixon. > > Mike > And JFK and LBJ before him who also expanded the war! > I guess you must mean the American people. > The soldiers didn’t want to be there, and their parents didn’t > even want them there, which was VERY different from 1943 Europe!! > Our troops in Vietnam KNEW they were WRONG! > And finally their parents and their friends did too. > Then we all decided we’d been wrong, > some WAAAAY more than others, like YOU!! > Steve
Response:
Hi Steve, I don’t know what postings you are responding to…but what do they have to do with parenting??? I’m not the only one wondering this I’m sure. But while I’m here I’m wondering why you sound so pissed off in all of your postings, if I’m wrong I apologize and if I’m not you need to do some serious chilling out, for Gods sake and yours have a good day!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve, > I wasn’t going to get involved in this and probably won’t > again. As I stated in my original, posting, it’s not my job > to educate you on the complexities of the entire Viet Nam > experience. > Especially since I know it better than YOU do! > I am not likely to change your position, any > more than you are likely to change mine, making debate > rather pointless. > Facile bullshit. > First, let’s define terms. We have Italian Fascism, German > Nazism and Communism. Now, Fascism and Nazism, are similar > enough to be considered two sides of the same coin, so I > will, hereafter, refer to them as Fascism. > And that is it for Fascism. > Now Communism just may be the perfect form of government if > applied to a perfect species of intelligent beings. > Not at all required. In fact communism is what is absolutely needed for > anything LESS than a perfect species. > Unfortunately, for reasons we could debate until our last > breath, the word, perfect, can hardly be applied to, homo > sapiens. > Sounds right to me, and that justifies communism completely. > Soviet economic disarray and the increasing move > toward Capitalism by Chinese people demonstrate, better than > I ever could, that Communism, on a large scale, just does > not work. > Except for the glaring oversight on your part that communism didn’t and > doesn’t exist in either of those nations. Anti-communists always wish to > propagandize that it did/does so that they can believe ill of it, but > the truth is far different! > The ultimate goal of both Fascism and Communism was world > domination, differing only in the method of achieving it. > Nonsense. This isn’t any truer of communism than of any other system. > All attempts of people to do justice of whatever kind, and all > enterprises of conquest as well, all have as their desire the > propagation of that system or assault as far as is possible across the > world. The US economy does the very same thing, and the US would accept > any extension of itself in the world that they could possibly justify. > Your criticism is an entirely empty one. > Fascism gloried war and used naked military force, resulting > in the loss of many lives, making it easy to recognize the > necessity of stopping it. > Fascism is viewed as merely an extension of thievery and slavery. > Communism encouraged and > supported revolution from within, which also resulted in the > loss of many lives, but could be viewed as a sovereign > nation’s internal affair and no one else’s business. > Communism *IS* viewed as movement for justice, and NOT merely some petty > internal national affair!! > Had > Fascism used the methods of Communism, > It does not and cannot. And yet all efforts, for justice or for > enslavement, use the very same tools and weapons. Never pretend > that they do not! > would you, Steve, > have protested the, Second World War, and now insult and > malign the veterans, of that war, at every opportunity? > The Nazi’s were wrong, communism is right. You’re full of shit. > World War II and Viet Nam were fought for exactly the same > reason. > NOW you’re REALLY full of shit. In Vietnam we fought on the side of the > economic FASCISM propagated by the rich families of the South trying > desperately to retain control of their SLAVE-KINGDOMS!! > It would seem that many, if not most, agree that cheer > leading and strong student body support, is important to the > success of a high school football team. Do you think, > Steve, that there could be a possibility that the, Viet Nam > War, might not have lasted any longer than the, Korean War, > had the leaders of, North Viet Nam, not been encouraged to > prosecute the war, longer than they might have ordinarily, > by all their American cheer leaders and draft evaders? How > many additional lives, on both sides, do you think that > might have cost, Steve? > Every American soldier who died in Vietnam deserved to!! And MORE! > For crimes against humanity! > Jane Fonda’s visit to, North Viet Nam, probably came to late > in the war to have had much effect on the loss of life. > However, Steve, do you think there might be a possibility > that her visit might have given the, North Vietnamese, a > stronger bargaining position, keeping us from maintaining > troops in, South Viet Nam, to enforce the, peace agreement, > as we have done these past 47 years in, South Korea? > I couldn’t care less. Also, Korea and Vietnam were unrelated in their > two vastly different natures. They were culturally different and made > two different choices. Vietnam was artificially divided to try to > mollify the Vietnamese people who were trying to liberate their country. > Korea was culturally divided and chose different allies in their OWN > civil war. > I’m not sure anymore, but I believe it was you, Steve, who > quoted, Grace Slick, as having said, "War is good business, > invest your sons! I’d rather my country died for me!" If > the protesters and draft evaders continue to have their way, > their country may, indeed, die for them. They may > accomplish in less than three hundred years what it took a > thousand in the case of the, Roman Empire. > If the USA can’t do better than the Roman Empire, then it deserves to > die. Things change, people change, thank God. > Many people feel that American troops lost the war in, Viet > Nam. Richard Nixon won the presidency on his promise to get > us out of, Viet Nam. American troops left, Viet Nam, in > 73. Saigon, fell in 75. The people who lost the war, were > the people who voted for, Richard Nixon. > Mike > And JFK and LBJ before him who also expanded the war! > I guess you must mean the American people. > The soldiers didn’t want to be there, and their parents didn’t > even want them there, which was VERY different from 1943 Europe!! > Our troops in Vietnam KNEW they were WRONG! > And finally their parents and their friends did too. > Then we all decided we’d been wrong, > some WAAAAY more than others, like YOU!! > Steve
Response:
> Steve, > I wasn’t going to get involved in this and probably won’t > again. As I stated in my original, posting, it’s not my job > to educate you on the complexities of the entire Viet Nam > experience.
Especially since I know it better than YOU do! > I am not likely to change your position, any > more than you are likely to change mine, making debate > rather pointless.
Facile bullshit. > First, let’s define terms. We have Italian Fascism, German > Nazism and Communism. Now, Fascism and Nazism, are similar > enough to be considered two sides of the same coin, so I > will, hereafter, refer to them as Fascism.
And that is it for Fascism. > Now Communism just may be the perfect form of government if > applied to a perfect species of intelligent beings.
Not at all required. In fact communism is what is absolutely needed for anything LESS than a perfect species. > Unfortunately, for reasons we could debate until our last > breath, the word, perfect, can hardly be applied to, homo > sapiens.
Sounds right to me, and that justifies communism completely. > Soviet economic disarray and the increasing move > toward Capitalism by Chinese people demonstrate, better than > I ever could, that Communism, on a large scale, just does > not work.
Except for the glaring oversight on your part that communism didn’t and doesn’t exist in either of those nations. Anti-communists always wish to propagandize that it did/does so that they can believe ill of it, but the truth is far different! > The ultimate goal of both Fascism and Communism was world > domination, differing only in the method of achieving it.
Nonsense. This isn’t any truer of communism than of any other system. All attempts of people to do justice of whatever kind, and all enterprises of conquest as well, all have as their desire the propagation of that system or assault as far as is possible across the world. The US economy does the very same thing, and the US would accept any extension of itself in the world that they could possibly justify. Your criticism is an entirely empty one. > Fascism gloried war and used naked military force, resulting > in the loss of many lives, making it easy to recognize the > necessity of stopping it.
Fascism is viewed as merely an extension of thievery and slavery. > Communism encouraged and > supported revolution from within, which also resulted in the > loss of many lives, but could be viewed as a sovereign > nation’s internal affair and no one else’s business.
Communism *IS* viewed as movement for justice, and NOT merely some petty internal national affair!! > Had > Fascism used the methods of Communism,
It does not and cannot. And yet all efforts, for justice or for enslavement, use the very same tools and weapons. Never pretend that they do not! > would you, Steve, > have protested the, Second World War, and now insult and > malign the veterans, of that war, at every opportunity?
The Nazi’s were wrong, communism is right. You’re full of shit. > World War II and Viet Nam were fought for exactly the same > reason.
NOW you’re REALLY full of shit. In Vietnam we fought on the side of the economic FASCISM propagated by the rich families of the South trying desperately to retain control of their SLAVE-KINGDOMS!! > It would seem that many, if not most, agree that cheer > leading and strong student body support, is important to the > success of a high school football team. Do you think, > Steve, that there could be a possibility that the, Viet Nam > War, might not have lasted any longer than the, Korean War, > had the leaders of, North Viet Nam, not been encouraged to > prosecute the war, longer than they might have ordinarily, > by all their American cheer leaders and draft evaders? How > many additional lives, on both sides, do you think that > might have cost, Steve?
Every American soldier who died in Vietnam deserved to!! And MORE! For crimes against humanity! > Jane Fonda’s visit to, North Viet Nam, probably came to late > in the war to have had much effect on the loss of life. > However, Steve, do you think there might be a possibility > that her visit might have given the, North Vietnamese, a > stronger bargaining position, keeping us from maintaining > troops in, South Viet Nam, to enforce the, peace agreement, > as we have done these past 47 years in, South Korea?
I couldn’t care less. Also, Korea and Vietnam were unrelated in their two vastly different natures. They were culturally different and made two different choices. Vietnam was artificially divided to try to mollify the Vietnamese people who were trying to liberate their country. Korea was culturally divided and chose different allies in their OWN civil war. > I’m not sure anymore, but I believe it was you, Steve, who > quoted, Grace Slick, as having said, "War is good business, > invest your sons! I’d rather my country died for me!" If > the protesters and draft evaders continue to have their way, > their country may, indeed, die for them. They may > accomplish in less than three hundred years what it took a > thousand in the case of the, Roman Empire.
If the USA can’t do better than the Roman Empire, then it deserves to die. Things change, people change, thank God. > Many people feel that American troops lost the war in, Viet > Nam. Richard Nixon won the presidency on his promise to get > us out of, Viet Nam. American troops left, Viet Nam, in > 73. Saigon, fell in 75. The people who lost the war, were > the people who voted for, Richard Nixon. > Mike
And JFK and LBJ before him who also expanded the war! I guess you must mean the American people. The soldiers didn’t want to be there, and their parents didn’t even want them there, which was VERY different from 1943 Europe!! Our troops in Vietnam KNEW they were WRONG! And finally their parents and their friends did too. Then we all decided we’d been wrong, some WAAAAY more than others, like YOU!! Steve
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