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To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. Any suggestions? Lorne D. Gilsig
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>To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. >this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is >detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. >I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to >leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. >Any suggestions? >Lorne D. Gilsig
Umm…how about if we insist that they put circ in the title so that if we don’t want to read it we don’t have to. What a great new idea! What exactly is the big deal? It is a parenting topic. Some people here are interested in it. Really- we could take it as far as I’m a breastfeeder. I hate the thought of formula and would never give my baby formula. I don’t want to see any formula posts here. They should take it elsewhere. What kind of sense would that make? I just don’t read the formula posts if I don’t want to. T
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I don’t think you can really make them go away on a public forum. I really don’t care about the circ. arguments so I skip the threads. I do get annoyed when something I think is another thread is about circ. again. Some of the newsreaders have filters so you can avoid even seeing posts you don’t have an interest in. Also some have killfiles so you can avoid seeing any posts by a particular person (a feature I wish my newsreader would add). I do think that some of the angrier posts about stopping the circ. threads just feed the fire. Lisa > To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. > this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is > detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. > I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to > leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. > Any suggestions? > Lorne D. Gilsig
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>To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. >this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is >detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. >I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to >leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. >Any suggestions? >Lorne D. Gilsig
You seem to have the most posts on the subject. - r
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I just skip the threads. I know what you mean though Lorne. They’ve been going on for months. BTW my husband reads them and laughs. He can’t believe there are people so hung up about their penis’. ~scout
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>>I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to >leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. >Any suggestions? >Lorne D. Gilsig
I have no interest, whatsoever, in the circ issue but I could care less whether they post here or not – I just skip past them, no biggy. Just like I skip past other topics that don’t apply to me. What’s the problem? Why does this bother you so? LS
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> I just skip the threads. I know what you mean though Lorne. They’ve been > going on for months. > BTW my husband reads them and laughs. He can’t believe there are people > so hung up about their penis’.
And how would you feel if your clitoral hood and labia were excised at birth? Your husband is in great compahy: Parents in countries that support female genital alteration feel the say way–they can’t believe we Americans are so hung up about our women’s genitals that they would outright BAN female circ–something THEY think is a wonderful thing. Grace Boockholdt
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> >>I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to >>leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. >>Any suggestions? >>Lorne D. Gilsig > I have no interest, whatsoever, in the circ issue but I could care less whether > they post > here or not – I just skip past them, no biggy. > Just like I skip past other topics that don’t apply to me.
Pretty simple, isn’t it? Just like I skipped the "Twelve Rules For Raising Delinquent Children" that is a helluva lot more prolific than circ posts here. > What’s the problem? Why does this bother you so?
Yeah, Lornie–why are you so afraid of this issue? Why is it ok when Robyn posts a procirc point of view and we hear NOTHING by way of objection from you. Why the focus to censure JUST anticirc posts? Grace Boockholdt
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. >this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is >detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. >I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to >leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. >Any suggestions? >Lorne D. Gilsig > You seem to have the most posts on the subject. - r
Ah-HHHAAHH-hahahaha! This is so true–he starts a new thread just about every other day for us to continue to talk about circ. Gee, Lornie– THANKS! Grace Boockholdt
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Dear LS Some of those who have posted here under the guise of being anti-circ were in fact pedophiles. This was verified by looking at their post-histories on dejanews. It appeared to be their intent to keep the discussion going for their amusment then more than anything else. This is not the type of person I want here, even lurking, hoping that someone will talk about their childs genitalia. Lorne D. Gilsig
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> Dear LS > Some of those who have posted here under the guise of being anti-circ > were in fact pedophiles. This was verified by looking at their > post-histories on dejanews. > It appeared to be their intent to keep the discussion going for their > amusment then more than anything else. > This is not the type of person I want here, even lurking, hoping that > someone will talk about their childs genitalia.
Oh…more of Lornie’s paranoia surfacing. Lornie tried this tactic a while ago. He also tried to imply that there was a homosexual connection with the anti-circ side–ignoring the fact, of course, that with nearly all the adult sexually active males of America being *cut*, the majority of homosexuals are….circ’d. :) He wants to control who is on the newsgroup. I’d think a fair question is whether is, with his outlandish paranoia… is HE the "type of person" wanted here? :^D Grace Boockholdt ***Disclaimer: The views expressed hereinabove are mine alone and not necessarily those of my employer. Fragile: Do not bend, fold, spindle or mutilate. May be hazardous to your health. Not recommended for children. Do not purchase if seal has been tampered with. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to perform. May be too intense for some viewers. Batteries not included. For recreational use. An equal opportunity employer. Some settling of contents may occur during shipping. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Slightly higher in California. Keep away from fire or flame. Any rebroadcast, reproduction, or other use of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is prohibited. Please keep your hands and arms inside the car while ride is in motion. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Contestants have been briefed before the show. Do not write below this line.*** :)
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>> I just skip the threads. I know what you mean though Lorne. They’ve been > going on for months. > BTW my husband reads them and laughs. He can’t believe there are people > so hung up about their penis’.
: Parents in countries that support >female genital alteration feel the say way–they >can’t believe we Americans are so hung up about >our women’s genitals that they would outright BAN >female circ–something THEY think is a wonderful thing.
Your comparison is a poor one. What is done in other countries to women is not female circumcision. It’s genital mutilation. Most of the external genitalia is cut and in many cases the vagina is sewn shut. Furthermore this is done to girls approaching adolescence, not babies. Female circumcision if properly done is the removal of the clitoral hood. I saw a group of women on a talk show who elected to have this done and they all reported a heightened sexuality as a result.
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What’s the point of all this discussion on circ anyway? If it has been done unto you, it can’t be changed, so there is little point in griping about it. Most parents of unborn boys have access to the information about circ — pro and con — from other sources than this newsgroup, so I doubt that supplying info to others is the point. If it’s an intellectual debate — can’t we just call it a draw? It really doesn’t matter in the greater scheme of things if either side wins this particular debate, does it? HappyLady
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> To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. > this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is > detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. > I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to > leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay. > Any suggestions? > Lorne D. Gilsig
Just stop reading and replying. Then give it some time.
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>Some of those who have posted here under the guise of being anti-circ >were in fact pedophiles. This was verified by looking at their >post-histories on dejanews. >This is not the type of person I want here, even lurking, hoping that >someone will talk about their childs genitalia. >Lorne D. Gilsig
Lorne, I think you and I have said these same things to each other before. You complaining about the circ posts and me asking why it bothers you so much – just ignore it. Except the last time I made reference to the fact that you are constantly posting on the topic. You gave the same answer both times – that you are trying to save the newsgroup from pedophiles. Maybe that’s your intent, maybe not – I don’t know. I only know that you post alot to this thread. LS
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> What’s the point of all this discussion on circ anyway? If it has been > done unto you, it can’t be changed, so there is little point in griping > about it. Most parents of unborn boys have access to the information > about circ — pro and con — from other sources than this newsgroup, so > I doubt that supplying info to others is the point. If it’s an > intellectual debate — can’t we just call it a draw? It really doesn’t > matter in the greater scheme of things if either side wins this > particular debate, does it?
Please understand that this is a very emotionally charged issue for some people. It’s the very fact that, once done, circumcision can NOT be changed that bothers some (and, perhaps, pleases others). And they like to continue the discussion because they feel a crime has been committed but, more importantly, that it should not be continued generation after generation in a sheep-like fashion. To some, it’s like a nightmare. On the one extreme, having your computer crash and not having done a save for ten minutes. On the other extreme, hitting and killing a child who ran across the road after his ball. And knowing that you can’t put the clock back and making it undone. Some who feel they were wronged by circumcision know, only too painfully, that it cannot be "put back" or, some may think, "put right" in their own cases, but they don’t want to see that happening to others. Yet others think it is an American (perhaps, other cultural) institution and that to criticize it is to challenge a way of life — like the U.S. constitution, mom and apple pie, or coming over on the Mayflower. They feel that life should have a rigid — almost brittle — set of rules. This is not myself. I, myself, am intact. I’m merely answering your question which, I presume, was not rhetorical. Rick
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> To some, it’s like a nightmare. On the one extreme, having your computer > crash and not having done a save for ten minutes. On the other extreme, > hitting and killing a child who ran across the road after his ball. And > knowing that you can’t put the clock back and making it undone. > Some who feel they were wronged by circumcision know, only too painfully, > that it cannot be "put back" or, some may think, "put right" in their own > cases, but they don’t want to see that happening to others. > Yet others think it is an American (perhaps, other cultural) institution > and that to criticize it is to challenge a way of life — like the U.S. > constitution, mom and apple pie, or coming over on the Mayflower. They > feel that life should have a rigid — almost brittle — set of rules.
Thank you for your bigotry. Susan
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> To all members of alt.parenting.solutions. > this NG has become the dumping ground for alt.circ, and it is > detracting from the expressed intent of this NG. > I think it is time to discuss how to either get the alt.circ folks to > leave or how to isolate them so they have no reason to stay.
I agree with you 100%. Circumcision, in the manner in which it is currently discussed here (i.e. with tons of rhetoric, little fact, great emotion and LOTS of hostility, not to mention the same points over and over ad nauseum), is waaaay off-topic. Also, the "discussion", as it were, is going absolutely nowhere. I kill-filed all threads with "circ" in the subject header a long time ago. > Any suggestions?
Suggestion #1 is directed squarely at you, Lorne: with all due respect, quit posting to those threads! This also goes for the other great A.P.S. posters who otherwise inexplicably keep fanning the flames in these off-topic, useless threads (Susan? You listening?) I like reading your guys’ posts, but I hate that you waste your time on such crap. Suggestion #2: all of us who despise these threads – kill file them, delete them, skip them, or do whatever in order to IGNORE THEM. If the only people posting to circ threads are anti-circ’ers, it will get real boring real quick. (Most pro/neutral circ’ers don’t care one way or the other, and don’t start these threads, which is why I’m "picking" on antis here. But the point remains, pro or con. Just ignore the threads) Mike — From Seattle, WA – Seahawks, cinema, science and more at http://kohary.simplenet.com Seahawks: http://kohary.simplenet.com/hawks.htm Cinema: http://kohary.simplenet.com/movies.htm Science: http://kohary.simplenet.com/science.htm
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> (Susan? You listening?)
I’ve decided to make sure I only answer the posts which use circ to make attacks on Jews. Unfortunately, before I went away for the weekend, somebody started on episiotomies – a man, no less! Sigh. Susan
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> > (Susan? You listening?) > I’ve decided to make sure I only answer the posts which use circ to make > attacks on Jews. > Unfortunately, before I went away for the weekend, somebody started on > episiotomies – a man, no less! > Sigh.
??? Are you referring to me? It seems you and I agree in that thread. Or did I miss a joke (you need to do the smiley 
? Mike — From Seattle, WA – Seahawks, cinema, science and more at http://kohary.simplenet.com Seahawks: http://kohary.simplenet.com/hawks.htm Cinema: http://kohary.simplenet.com/movies.htm Science: http://kohary.simplenet.com/science.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > (Susan? You listening?) > I’ve decided to make sure I only answer the posts which use circ to make > attacks on Jews. > Unfortunately, before I went away for the weekend, somebody started on > episiotomies – a man, no less! > Sigh. > ??? Are you referring to me? It seems you and I agree in that thread. > Or did I miss a joke (you need to do the smiley ?
I don’t remember you being the starter (I always use Smileys ™ where appropriate). Susan
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