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> Now I’m really confused. The point, surely, is to get as far away from > the grouchy midget as you can so that you’re not bothered by its > crying. If so, then why would you want to take it out for a drive > where it is likely to bother innocent members of the public also? > Anyway… every so often, foolish friends ask me to babysit, and so > I’m a bit of an authority on looking after the little bags of vomit. I
Ignore this sack of shit "childfree" advocate, he’s only trolling and trying desperately to figure out what to do with all his extra, now useless and futile ime on earth, since he now has nothing to do and no purpose except to wait to die! Steve
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>> Now I’m really confused. The point, surely, is to get as far away from > the grouchy midget as you can so that you’re not bothered by its > crying. If so, then why would you want to take it out for a drive > where it is likely to bother innocent members of the public also? > Anyway… every so often, foolish friends ask me to babysit, and so > I’m a bit of an authority on looking after the little bags of vomit. I >Ignore this sack of shit "childfree" advocate, he’s only trolling and >trying desperately to figure out what to do with all his extra, now useless >and futile ime on earth, since he now has nothing to do and no purpose >except to wait to die! >Steve
That’s the difference between nz.general and other newsgroups. nz.general doesn’t have any well meaning but humourless individuals to sort out the trolls from the genuine and well meaning posters and provide timely and needed advice to others to ignore the trolls. Sometimes I wonder how we survive… often trolls operate for weeks before everyone else gets a clue and works out what is going on. So keep up the good work Steve. If it weren’t for you, alt.parenting.solutions would be full of trolls without anyone realising. But I won’t keep you… you probably need to get down to McDonalds for a bit of breast feeding. Say "hi" to Bobs. David
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Swaddling is great. After all, they spent months in a cramped space. And the car ride, of course, is a great one. Also every family should own a rocking chair.
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> Now I’m really confused. The point, surely, is to get as far away from > the grouchy midget as you can so that you’re not bothered by its > crying. If so, then why would you want to take it out for a drive > where it is likely to bother innocent members of the public also?
The probability is that it will cry less. And perhaps the happier individual will give more to society later – or cost less. > Anyway… every so often, foolish friends ask me to babysit, and so > I’m a bit of an authority on looking after the little bags of vomit. I > find getting the parents to change the nappies before they leave is > essential. And noise can be minimised by putting them to bed, closing > all doors between it and you, and turning the TV volume up. They’ll > stop crying eventually without all that carrying them around the house > bizzo that parents get up to. And it’ll be character building for > them.
They always say it will be character building when something tough has to be got through. The question is what sort of character will be built. In the newborn all the senses are sort of merged. Some people never get them totally separated as they develop and sounds still evoke colours in some adults – synaesthaesia. There must be energy demands of development. Maybe changing the nappies may even stimulate the child and wake it. Or changing into cold pajamas or going to a cool bedroom for an older infant. I suppose you might condition the child to associate cold change with being left to go to sleep. But another way, with more possiblities for development, might be to change the clothes a bit earlier, so they are not cold for sleep time and/or there is not too much activity to stave off drowsyness. Even let the child fall asleep in someone’s arms and then carefully bed it. I was told that some of my early speech was saying, `Goodnight children,’ as the 8 & 11 year-olds went off to bed. Perhaps I have a difficulty with the serotonin-melatonin diurnal cycle, which is one process which must mature at some day, week or month in the baby’s development. If there is envirnoment not comfortable for mammals perhaps certain developments will go wrong. I have written before about maternal vitamin D and proper gene expression of the baby.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> going for a drive in the car (but not if you’re already >>>frustrated at the screaming), >>While I’d agree with your sensible advice Karen, I think leaving small >>children home alone while you pop down the shops or the pub is >>generally frowned upon these days. Be careful not to let any social >>workers hear of your strategy. >LOL 
>Of course you would take the screaming kid with you…and keep away >from pubs and shops and so on. However, if you’re already feeling like >throwing the baby out and not the bath water, then it would probably >be a good idea not to confine yourself in such a close place with the >object of your frustration. > Now I’m really confused. The point, surely, is to get as far away from > the grouchy midget as you can so that you’re not bothered by its > crying. If so, then why would you want to take it out for a drive > where it is likely to bother innocent members of the public also? > Anyway… every so often, foolish friends ask me to babysit, and so > I’m a bit of an authority on looking after the little bags of vomit. I > find getting the parents to change the nappies before they leave is > essential. And noise can be minimised by putting them to bed, closing > all doors between it and you, and turning the TV volume up. They’ll > stop crying eventually without all that carrying them around the house > bizzo that parents get up to. And it’ll be character building for > them. > David
I said I was worried about the bacteria from the vacuum cleaner being used to calm a child. But I read recently that cats or dogs in the family help the child’s immune system to avoid allergies later. Maybe the vacuum cleaner bacteria could be a substitute. But I need the exhaust hose out the window, or a good dust mask for ny health. I am not sure what age children you are relating about. But when there are tears in the infant and the calming methods don’t work, then professional help should be sought. It could be earache or some other emergency. I am a bit suspicious about substitues, taped music and heart beats included. Monkeys tend to keep their infants with them most of the time. There are differences of course. Maybe a child’s brain needs sound to develop? Then its own sounds may take over if other human sounds are not available. I have been watching a bit of the Mark Vette program on Fri TV1. He trains animals for TV ads. Timing of certain learning experiences seems important for them. I think it was 5 or 6 weeks, wasn’t it that a pup is no longer just with its mother but needs to learn about its pack – for domestic dogs the humans it is to be with. I suppose if we think it out too much we may mess up something.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> going for a drive in the car (but not if you’re already >>frustrated at the screaming), >While I’d agree with your sensible advice Karen, I think leaving small >children home alone while you pop down the shops or the pub is >generally frowned upon these days. Be careful not to let any social >workers hear of your strategy. > LOL > Of course you would take the screaming kid with you…and keep away > from pubs and shops and so on. However, if you’re already feeling like > throwing the baby out and not the bath water, then it would probably > be a good idea not to confine yourself in such a close place with the > object of your frustration. > — > Karen Hayward-King
Often a car ride will settle a grumpy baby and make them sleep. White noise and constant movement. Found that one of ours would settle quicker if we turned on the vacuum cleaner, it created that white noise thing.
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> Often a car ride will settle a grumpy baby and make them sleep. White noise > and constant movement. > Found that one of ours would settle quicker if we turned on the vacuum > cleaner, it created that white noise thing.
I think Canterbury Public Library has a heart beat tape. I am a bit worried about the decibels of sound from different vaccuum cleaners, also about ozone and bacterial pollution of the air from some of them. I know Carp said it is very loud in the womb, and it is white noise but I don’t totally think so. Would you dare put a stethoscope near a vacuum cleaner? Sure, a cry can be loud. Better use some of your own intuition, hunches. 60 years ago Plunket said feed no sooner than every four hours. How much unnecessary tears did that produce from baby and family?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> going for a drive in the car (but not if you’re already >>frustrated at the screaming), >While I’d agree with your sensible advice Karen, I think leaving small >children home alone while you pop down the shops or the pub is >generally frowned upon these days. Be careful not to let any social >workers hear of your strategy. >LOL >Of course you would take the screaming kid with you…and keep away >from pubs and shops and so on. However, if you’re already feeling like >throwing the baby out and not the bath water, then it would probably >be a good idea not to confine yourself in such a close place with the >object of your frustration.
Now I’m really confused. The point, surely, is to get as far away from the grouchy midget as you can so that you’re not bothered by its crying. If so, then why would you want to take it out for a drive where it is likely to bother innocent members of the public also? Anyway… every so often, foolish friends ask me to babysit, and so I’m a bit of an authority on looking after the little bags of vomit. I find getting the parents to change the nappies before they leave is essential. And noise can be minimised by putting them to bed, closing all doors between it and you, and turning the TV volume up. They’ll stop crying eventually without all that carrying them around the house bizzo that parents get up to. And it’ll be character building for them. David
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>> going for a drive in the car (but not if you’re already >frustrated at the screaming), >While I’d agree with your sensible advice Karen, I think leaving small >children home alone while you pop down the shops or the pub is >generally frowned upon these days. Be careful not to let any social >workers hear of your strategy.
LOL Of course you would take the screaming kid with you…and keep away from pubs and shops and so on. However, if you’re already feeling like throwing the baby out and not the bath water, then it would probably be a good idea not to confine yourself in such a close place with the object of your frustration. — Karen Hayward-King
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