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>DANG! I was so hoping that the poster to whom I had replied was gonna >answer and not somone else. >See, simply *answering* that question indicates a degree of authority >that is a strong indicator of being anal-retentive. >That was my only purpose in posing it. >Sorry that you had to be the one to answer. >– >"Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." >– _A_General_Theory_Of_Love_ Thanks, Mom
Arrrrrrgh. I hate it when looking in a dictionary or keeping a clean desk makes one anal retentive. Freud had an even more immature phycho-sexual state – oral. How cum I never see "oral retentive"?? Off to Sacramento with you! (Or Davis? Where was it? – I gotta know *now*! Wait, I gotta go bathroom first….) Banty
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>> BTW, is it spelled "analretentive", two separate words, "anal > retentive" or is it hyphenated "anal-retentive"? > At the risk of being pedantic, I checked a few online >dictionaries, all of which suggested it was two separate >words 
DANG! I was so hoping that the poster to whom I had replied was gonna answer and not somone else. See, simply *answering* that question indicates a degree of authority that is a strong indicator of being anal-retentive. That was my only purpose in posing it. Sorry that you had to be the one to answer. — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — _A_General_Theory_Of_Love_ Thanks, Mom
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>So if any of you out there are employers, could you please explain to me how >you can have all these type of requirements but yet only want to pay a high >schoolers salary? >Mrs. P – just doesnt get it.
Well, it’s all about what the employment market would bear. If they *can* find someone well qualified for that pay, well they should try. If indeed it’s true that it’s out of line to ask for such qualifications for such pay, well they should fail. Banty
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>I have been long-known as The World’s Second Worst Speller ™.
I have to ask: Who’s the worst? [...] >You are bright enough to be able to understand that "2" means (either) >"two" or "too" (depending on nothing more than context.
Most people are bright enough to find their way through the murk, but the question is are YOU bright enough to avoid calling negative attention to yourself by displaying sub-standard skills? Sine you’re DEFENDING them, I assume the answer is "no". >I fully recognize that spelling flames are one of the favorite >passtimes on usenet; but to me, it just screams "analretentive". >BTW, is it spelled "analretentive", tow separate words, "anal >retentive" or is it hyphenated "anal-retentive"?
Forget about spelling it; do you really know what it means?
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> Thank you Ericka. And I totally understand the importance of > spelling/grammer/punc. etc.. in a resume. That is why I said thats what > the spell checker is for. I just never realized that one would notice one > punctuation error.
I know–it surprised me too But it really does stand out. I also found that out when grading papers (especially the longer ones) I’d start to get so grateful for the papers that had good spelling and grammar that it had a *powerful* impact on my impulse to give people good or bad grades! When I got a paper that had good spelling, good grammar, *and* was well written, WOW! I was ready to give them an "A" even if the argumentation or facts were lousy! Of course, I had to discipline myself to pay attention to the content and give that its proper due as well, but the students who wrote well definitely had a leg up on those who didn’t. As far as informal communication goes, obviously the standards are more lax. I know that typos and such escape me on occasion, and I’d hate to be judged based solely on my Usenet output. On the other hand, I wouldn’t discount the impact of grammar, punctuation, and style on Usenet entirely. For one thing, scary as it may be, some employers are doing ‘net searches on prospective employees! Also, on Usenet, the only way you have to present yourself is with your typewritten words. In face-to-face situations, people might look at your clothes or other aspects of your appearance to see how you present yourself. On Usenet, people will notice your writing style. Non-standard spelling, punctuation, and so forth is sort of like showing up in ripped jeans and a t-shirt. Is that a bad thing? Maybe not, as Usenet is generally a pretty informal place. On the other hand, it says you’re the sort of person who shows up in ripped jeans and a t-shirt Also, I’ve found that some people carry off writing style idiosyncracies better than others do, in the same way my sister could wear ripped jeans and a t-shirt and look stylish, and I’d look just plain ragged! I’ve never been sure why that is so, exactly, but I’ve seen it happen time and again. Take care, Ericka — The return address on this message works, but it goes to an account I weed out only on occasion. To send me email, send to my first name dot my last name at home dot com and watch the spelling
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> BTW, is it spelled "analretentive", tow separate words, "anal > retentive" or is it hyphenated "anal-retentive"?
At the risk of being pedantic, I checked a few online dictionaries, all of which suggested it was two separate words Take care, Ericka — The return address on this message works, but it goes to an account I weed out only on occasion. To send me email, send to my first name dot my last name at home dot com and watch the spelling
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been in search of a new part time job. I have a resume, and I have >13 years of being a Store Manager. >Thing is. Im getting so aggrivated with the employers ads about the >qualifications of a particular part-time job. >Ex: So many pt job ads out there state things like, "Send a resume. Must >have this exp/that exp. This degree, that degree" Thats fine but the topper >is they only offer a pay of say $6 – $7 an hour. IMO thats bullshit. We >are talking about a part time job that pays shit yet they want all that. >First of all, as a 32 yo adult, if I need to work part time, then $6 hr >just isnt going to cut it. If I were in high school, looking for some >spending money, then thats fine. But of course, high schoolers wouldnt have >those requirements in their background. >So if any of you out there are employers, could you please explain to me how >you can have all these type of requirements but yet only want to pay a high >schoolers salary?
I know what you mean. I thought that this was only a SannaCrooz thing. Pretty common in this area. We are just over the hill from SillyCone Valley and I think that local employers are trying to get some high-tech types to work for them based on nothing more than a closer commute. They figure that they can just offer less and potential employees will just swarm to them because they will only have to drive 10 minutes to get to work, instead of an hour. So, instead of offering $70k a year, they offer maybe $30k. But that’s somewhat outside of the types of jobs that you are talking about. I mentioned that only because that was in the realm of my experiences with the *types* of things that you were talking about. But I also notice it in non-high-tech jobs. Recently I switched over to the mental health field. Kathy has been working in this area for some years and has quite a good reputation in it. She is still paid McDonnald’s night manager wages … simply for no better reason than "That’s what the job pays". Experience or quality of work simply doesn’t matter. We go and work places where much of the staff simply doesn’t give a shit. We are paid the same as they are. When we move, we are going to get back into it, there. We’ll build a reputation and contacts. Then we will go off and work freelance. We will be in a position to charge what we are worth, still be able to help those without as much money and not be tied to working with people who simply don’t care. The only drawback to doing this is that we won’t be able to go to the same place each day and deal with large numbers of clients. You are right — employers are simply being dumb as rocks about hiring. Yeah, they can get by with doing that for as long as there are people who will accept the crap positions at those crap salaries — and, as long as there are people who feel that they have to have 2 incomes, I suspect that this will continue. But I hold hope. I remember back in the 70s, ‘Murikun car companies were putting out really crappy iron. The Japanees and the Chermans were putting out quality work. Now "quality" means "works as expected and does what it is designed to do". Th ‘Murikun companies were arrogant and laughed at that. And all that while, the Japaneese and the Chermans were laughing, too — all of the way to the bank. Now, it took the ‘Murikuns about 15 to 20 years to catch on and start doing the same things in order to bring back sales, but they finally caught on when the moths were the only thing in their wallets. I expect that some similar changes will have to come about on the employment front, as well. But, as employees, we can play the quality game, as well. It just takes identifying what we want to do, then setting about determining what we have to do to accomplish that in a way that we would like for it to be done. Somewhat simple, but somewhat difficult of an idea to get into. — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — _A_General_Theory_Of_Love_ Thanks, Mom
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>All is says to me is that one doesnt care about such things. One is not >trying to pass a grammer/spelling test in Usenet. And I do recall when >reading the usenet rules to make things as short as possible. To abbrev. >when possible. To use "signs" if possible. And personally, I have never >had trouble reading posts of that sort.
"Such things" are the lengths that we go to in order to ensure that we are understood and that we do not distract our readers with idiosyncracies that are irrelevant to what we want to say. Careless punctuation is the facial tic of writing. Poor spelling is more like muscular dystrophy. (Apologies to the physically disadvantaged among us.)
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>Yes, But to someone that has all those qualifications, college degrees, and >years of experience, its an insult. And most wouldnt bother. I know I >wouldnt.
Great! *plonk* One more for the round file. Next applicant? >As a manager, I learned rather quickly that you get what you pay
Mmmmm…, I have found that there are PLENTY of good, hard-working people willing to put in some time for $6 per. PLENTY. The problem is sorting out those with good attitudes from the chronically malcontent. People who display their feelings as proudly and openly as you do make that easier. Thank you. >Simple.
Agreed. > BTW, this is NOT a flame, but I hope that you pay more attention to > spelling and punctuation on your resume than you did in your post. >Thats what the spell/grammer checker is for. Usually dont bother using it >in usenet as its not important.
Oh, pardon me. I wasn’t aware of that. > When I have to cull through 300 resumes, ONE error is more than I need > to tolerate. >up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to >pick up on that.
When one values and makes a practice of taking pains to do things right, work becomes a labor of love (even at $6 an hour). > You must be a very absurvant person.
Observant, actually. > And personally, >being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, >that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling >error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least.
Did I mention your grammar?
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>>And personally, >being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, >that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling >error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. >Mrs. P >As a former English major, incorrect grammar, spelling, etc….bugs the hell >out of me. Even when I get letters or e-mails from friends I swear I have >some kind of mental red pen, correcting their mistakes. Lol. But I do have >to disagree, it *is* important on Usenet. It’s very hard to read a post >with incorrect spelling, cutesy spelling (using the number 2 instead of >to/too – ugh), or the worst – no punctuation at all. Personally I think bad >spelling, grammar, etc…says A LOT about a person.
I have been long-known as The World’s Second Worst Speller ™. Interestingly, I speak just about exactly the same way that I write a post and *nobody* has trouble understanding my spoken words. If I happen to type "their" instead of "there", most people will figure it out with no trouble at all. In the spoken word, nobody would even know how I might spell it. Now, on occasion, especially when reading a post from someone who tends not to make spelling errors, I’ll see one and cringe — but not because they did something heinously wrong, but because I know that they didn’t intend that. You are bright enough to be able to understand that "2" means (either) "two" or "too" (depending on nothing more than context. I fully recognize that spelling flames are one of the favorite passtimes on usenet; but to me, it just screams "analretentive". BTW, is it spelled "analretentive", tow separate words, "anal retentive" or is it hyphenated "anal-retentive"? — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — _A_General_Theory_Of_Love_ Thanks, Mom
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually, I’ve been in a position to go through resumes > (*piles* of them!), and you’d be surprised what you notice. > It really was an eye-opening experience, and you can bet > I now can write a *far* better resume than I could before > I had that experience! > I think it’s precisely when you *do* have to go through > so many resumes that you notice the little things like grammar > and spelling. So many resumes are poorly done that the ones > that are nicely done really stand out from the crowd. It’s > such a relief to find a resume that’s well laid out, had > good grammar and spelling, and makes all the necessary information > easy to find and read, that once you see one, you *really* > want to find out that the applicant has the right > qualifications so that you can call him or her in for an > interview. > I was looking to hire engineers, so you can imagine > there was a wide range represented by the resumes. Some > were the stereotypical engineer-who-can’t-write-his-way- > out-of-a-wet-paper-bag, while others were marvels of > graphic design and high end document processing tools. > Now, there might have been some great engineers who > had poor resumes, but when I see a resume like that, > I have to ask myself how a person who didn’t take the > time to make his or her resume look good is going to > be meticulous about engineering work or write decent > documentation for it. So, bottom line was that I > trashed the vast majority of resumes that didn’t meet > at least the surface standard of being carefully crafted. > (The resumes didn’t have to be amazing–I just had to > be convinced that the person really tried to put together > a resume that was decently written, well organized, > and neat.) > As far as requirements go, just realize that most > of those are "wish lists." Whether or not every single > detail on the list is required depends on the job market. > My advice is if you want the job and feel you have the > skills to do it, it never hurts to send in the resume. > Just make sure you address the issue of why you think > you’re right for the job in a good cover letter, and > make sure your resume is impeccable. That will win > over many people unless there are so many applicants > that the employer has plenty of people who *do* have > all the requirements and *also* present themselves well > and interview well and so forth. > Good luck in your search! > I am also in the position to weed through many resumes often. I have > learned the same lessons Ericka has learned. I trash any resume that has > *a* spelling error, particularly when referring to place names or degrees, > any resume accompanied by a hand written cover letter, and any resume that > does not meet the minimum requirements of the job. The jobs which I screen > for, however, have to have exactly the qualifications which I advertise for > as it is a requirement of the contract. No substitutions allowed. As to > pay, it is non-negotiable, set by the agency and I have absolutely *no* > lee-way in pay or benefits. > But, if you were my sister I’d be encouraging you, just as Ericka did, to > send in your resumes for positions for which you believe you qualify, > because they may not be in the position which I am about having to rigidly > adhere to qualifications advertised. A well written cover letter detailing > how your skills and training [especially the skills] meet *that* particular > employer’s needs. > Oh, and another couple tips: Make it easy for the resume reader to figure > out when you worked at each position/place and *don’t* print it on cute or > pretty paper. Use professional looking paper. Cute paper tells me that the > person is probably not professional or perhaps not mature enough to handle > the type of work I want them to do.
All good advice. Which I have done Aula. And I said to Ericka, I know how important it is, just didnt realize that one could pick up on a punctuation/small spelling error so easily after reading so many. I would have thought all the words just start flowing together. Ya know what I mean. Cutsie paper? Never! I once had a resume turned into me on florescent green paper. Yuck. Mrs. P
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> This is not a parenting question. > I have been in search of a new part time job. I have a resume, and I have > 13 years of being a Store Manager. > Thing is. Im getting so aggrivated with the employers ads about the > qualifications of a particular part-time job. > Ex: So many pt job ads out there state things like, "Send a resume. Must > have this exp/that exp. This degree, that degree" Thats fine but the topper > is they only offer a pay of say $6 – $7 an hour. IMO thats bullshit. We > are talking about a part time job that pays shit yet they want all that.
Stopped reading up to this point. If you can’t do the simple pre-requisite things that people want in a job without such complaining, such as requested herein, how can you be expected to do the complete job, or anything above such a level as you have applied? AJPDLA
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Mrs. P – just doesnt get it. > That’s the market, honey. We want the most we can get for our money. > Don’t you? > Yes, But to someone that has all those qualifications, college degrees, and > years of experience, its an insult. And most wouldnt bother. I know I > wouldnt. As a manager, I learned rather quickly that you get what you pay > Simple. > BTW, this is NOT a flame, but I hope that you pay more attention to > spelling and punctuation on your resume than you did in your post. > Thats what the spell/grammer checker is for. Usually dont bother using it > in usenet as its not important.
Oh, it’s important all right. Many just don’t get that. What one "creates" here is and may be a reflection of who they are in the "real word" as well. I know I take postings from people here with a much bigger grain of salt if they are properly punctuated, with good diction and grammAr (by the way). And I know I’m not alone here. > When I have to cull through 300 resumes, ONE error is more than I need > to tolerate. pick > up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to > pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, > being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, > that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling > error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. > Mrs. P
Absurvant? Ouch. How purely stoopid of you, 
. AJPDLA
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And personally, >being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, >that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling >error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. >Mrs. P > As a former English major, incorrect grammar, spelling, etc….bugs the hell > out of me. Even when I get letters or e-mails from friends I swear I have > some kind of mental red pen, correcting their mistakes. Lol. But I do have > to disagree, it *is* important on Usenet. It’s very hard to read a post > with incorrect spelling, cutesy spelling (using the number 2 instead of > to/too – ugh), or the worst – no punctuation at all. Personally I think bad > spelling, grammar, etc…says A LOT about a person. > — > Sophie > mom to Charlotte (6/98) > Patrick (11/99) > #3 due 12/20 > See us at www.mcgehees.com
You are not alone. AJPDLA
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick > up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to > pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, > being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, > that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling > error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. > Actually, I’ve been in a position to go through resumes > (*piles* of them!), and you’d be surprised what you notice. > It really was an eye-opening experience, and you can bet > I now can write a *far* better resume than I could before > I had that experience! > I think it’s precisely when you *do* have to go through > so many resumes that you notice the little things like grammar > and spelling. So many resumes are poorly done that the ones > that are nicely done really stand out from the crowd. It’s > such a relief to find a resume that’s well laid out, had > good grammar and spelling, and makes all the necessary information > easy to find and read, that once you see one, you *really* > want to find out that the applicant has the right > qualifications so that you can call him or her in for an > interview. > I was looking to hire engineers, so you can imagine > there was a wide range represented by the resumes. Some > were the stereotypical engineer-who-can’t-write-his-way- > out-of-a-wet-paper-bag, while others were marvels of > graphic design and high end document processing tools. > Now, there might have been some great engineers who > had poor resumes, but when I see a resume like that, > I have to ask myself how a person who didn’t take the > time to make his or her resume look good is going to > be meticulous about engineering work or write decent > documentation for it. So, bottom line was that I > trashed the vast majority of resumes that didn’t meet > at least the surface standard of being carefully crafted. > (The resumes didn’t have to be amazing–I just had to > be convinced that the person really tried to put together > a resume that was decently written, well organized, > and neat.) > As far as requirements go, just realize that most > of those are "wish lists." Whether or not every single > detail on the list is required depends on the job market. > My advice is if you want the job and feel you have the > skills to do it, it never hurts to send in the resume. > Just make sure you address the issue of why you think > you’re right for the job in a good cover letter, and > make sure your resume is impeccable. That will win > over many people unless there are so many applicants > that the employer has plenty of people who *do* have > all the requirements and *also* present themselves well > and interview well and so forth. > Good luck in your search! > Ericka
Thank you Ericka. And I totally understand the importance of spelling/grammer/punc. etc.. in a resume. That is why I said thats what the spell checker is for. I just never realized that one would notice one punctuation error. I do know what its like to weed through so many. Although, where I was a manager, an Auto Parts store, I mostly had to read through incomplete applications. Apps where you couldnt even read the hand writing. I know how disturbing it can be. But on another note, I did not find it to be important in Usenet. I do not look at Usenet on a professional level. As for the job requirements, your probably right. Its probably more of a wish list. I just read some of these ads and Im like, "WHAT! You think your going to get someone with those job qualifications to work for $6/hr!" Mrs. P :-)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually, I’ve been in a position to go through resumes > (*piles* of them!), and you’d be surprised what you notice. > It really was an eye-opening experience, and you can bet > I now can write a *far* better resume than I could before > I had that experience! > I think it’s precisely when you *do* have to go through > so many resumes that you notice the little things like grammar > and spelling. So many resumes are poorly done that the ones > that are nicely done really stand out from the crowd. It’s > such a relief to find a resume that’s well laid out, had > good grammar and spelling, and makes all the necessary information > easy to find and read, that once you see one, you *really* > want to find out that the applicant has the right > qualifications so that you can call him or her in for an > interview. > I was looking to hire engineers, so you can imagine > there was a wide range represented by the resumes. Some > were the stereotypical engineer-who-can’t-write-his-way- > out-of-a-wet-paper-bag, while others were marvels of > graphic design and high end document processing tools. > Now, there might have been some great engineers who > had poor resumes, but when I see a resume like that, > I have to ask myself how a person who didn’t take the > time to make his or her resume look good is going to > be meticulous about engineering work or write decent > documentation for it. So, bottom line was that I > trashed the vast majority of resumes that didn’t meet > at least the surface standard of being carefully crafted. > (The resumes didn’t have to be amazing–I just had to > be convinced that the person really tried to put together > a resume that was decently written, well organized, > and neat.) > As far as requirements go, just realize that most > of those are "wish lists." Whether or not every single > detail on the list is required depends on the job market. > My advice is if you want the job and feel you have the > skills to do it, it never hurts to send in the resume. > Just make sure you address the issue of why you think > you’re right for the job in a good cover letter, and > make sure your resume is impeccable. That will win > over many people unless there are so many applicants > that the employer has plenty of people who *do* have > all the requirements and *also* present themselves well > and interview well and so forth. > Good luck in your search!
I am also in the position to weed through many resumes often. I have learned the same lessons Ericka has learned. I trash any resume that has *a* spelling error, particularly when referring to place names or degrees, any resume accompanied by a hand written cover letter, and any resume that does not meet the minimum requirements of the job. The jobs which I screen for, however, have to have exactly the qualifications which I advertise for as it is a requirement of the contract. No substitutions allowed. As to pay, it is non-negotiable, set by the agency and I have absolutely *no* lee-way in pay or benefits. But, if you were my sister I’d be encouraging you, just as Ericka did, to send in your resumes for positions for which you believe you qualify, because they may not be in the position which I am about having to rigidly adhere to qualifications advertised. A well written cover letter detailing how your skills and training [especially the skills] meet *that* particular employer’s needs. Oh, and another couple tips: Make it easy for the resume reader to figure out when you worked at each position/place and *don’t* print it on cute or pretty paper. Use professional looking paper. Cute paper tells me that the person is probably not professional or perhaps not mature enough to handle the type of work I want them to do. -Aula
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If you have a computer, and MS Word (which has templates and a spell checker), or can download some resume-maker program, ther’s no excuse for having a bad-looking resume! Becky
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > pick > up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired > to > pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, > being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and > such, > that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling > error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. > I have had to look at several thousand resumes in my time (I don’t > hire/fire, but our manager circulates resumes for all candidates to the > entire department), and believe me, errors stick out like a sore thumb. > While I try to be grammatically correct and spell properly on Usenet, it’s > easy to overlook a minor mistake, especially when you’re typing quickly. > There’s something quite informal and conversational about the medium, as > well, so one tends not to be as careful as one would be in other, more > formal arenas. > The reason punctuation/grammatical errors are such a killer for job > applicants is that it shows an inattention to detail and an unwillingness to > put in the extra effort to make a good impression. Why would I want to hire > someone who won’t make the effort to put apostrophes in contractions when I > can hire someone equally qualified who *does*? > — > Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97] and Aurora’s [7/19/99] mom)
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pick > up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to > pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, > being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, > that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling > error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least.
I have had to look at several thousand resumes in my time (I don’t hire/fire, but our manager circulates resumes for all candidates to the entire department), and believe me, errors stick out like a sore thumb. While I try to be grammatically correct and spell properly on Usenet, it’s easy to overlook a minor mistake, especially when you’re typing quickly. There’s something quite informal and conversational about the medium, as well, so one tends not to be as careful as one would be in other, more formal arenas. The reason punctuation/grammatical errors are such a killer for job applicants is that it shows an inattention to detail and an unwillingness to put in the extra effort to make a good impression. Why would I want to hire someone who won’t make the effort to put apostrophes in contractions when I can hire someone equally qualified who *does*? — Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97] and Aurora’s [7/19/99] mom)
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What kind of job are you looking for, and where do you live? I recently started a part-time job at nearly twice what you were quoting, but if I moved 100 miles north, it would probably be a minimum wage job. Send your resume anyway, and if they are impressed enough, they may offer you a higher wage.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is not a parenting question. > I have been in search of a new part time job. I have a resume, and I have > 13 years of being a Store Manager. > Thing is. Im getting so aggrivated with the employers ads about the > qualifications of a particular part-time job. > Ex: So many pt job ads out there state things like, "Send a resume. Must > have this exp/that exp. This degree, that degree" Thats fine but the topper > is they only offer a pay of say $6 – $7 an hour. IMO thats bullshit. We > are talking about a part time job that pays shit yet they want all that. > First of all, as a 32 yo adult, if I need to work part time, then $6 hr > just isnt going to cut it. If I were in high school, looking for some > spending money, then thats fine. But of course, high schoolers wouldnt have > those requirements in their background. > So if any of you out there are employers, could you please explain to me how > you can have all these type of requirements but yet only want to pay a high > schoolers salary? > Mrs. P – just doesnt get it.
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> up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to > pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, > being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, > that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling > error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least.
Actually, I’ve been in a position to go through resumes (*piles* of them!), and you’d be surprised what you notice. It really was an eye-opening experience, and you can bet I now can write a *far* better resume than I could before I had that experience! I think it’s precisely when you *do* have to go through so many resumes that you notice the little things like grammar and spelling. So many resumes are poorly done that the ones that are nicely done really stand out from the crowd. It’s such a relief to find a resume that’s well laid out, had good grammar and spelling, and makes all the necessary information easy to find and read, that once you see one, you *really* want to find out that the applicant has the right qualifications so that you can call him or her in for an interview. I was looking to hire engineers, so you can imagine there was a wide range represented by the resumes. Some were the stereotypical engineer-who-can’t-write-his-way- out-of-a-wet-paper-bag, while others were marvels of graphic design and high end document processing tools. Now, there might have been some great engineers who had poor resumes, but when I see a resume like that, I have to ask myself how a person who didn’t take the time to make his or her resume look good is going to be meticulous about engineering work or write decent documentation for it. So, bottom line was that I trashed the vast majority of resumes that didn’t meet at least the surface standard of being carefully crafted. (The resumes didn’t have to be amazing–I just had to be convinced that the person really tried to put together a resume that was decently written, well organized, and neat.) As far as requirements go, just realize that most of those are "wish lists." Whether or not every single detail on the list is required depends on the job market. My advice is if you want the job and feel you have the skills to do it, it never hurts to send in the resume. Just make sure you address the issue of why you think you’re right for the job in a good cover letter, and make sure your resume is impeccable. That will win over many people unless there are so many applicants that the employer has plenty of people who *do* have all the requirements and *also* present themselves well and interview well and so forth. Good luck in your search! Ericka — The return address on this message works, but it goes to an account I weed out only on occasion. To send me email, send to my first name dot my last name at home dot com and watch the spelling
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>And personally, >being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, >that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling >error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. >Mrs. P
As a former English major, incorrect grammar, spelling, etc….bugs the hell out of me. Even when I get letters or e-mails from friends I swear I have some kind of mental red pen, correcting their mistakes. Lol. But I do have to disagree, it *is* important on Usenet. It’s very hard to read a post with incorrect spelling, cutesy spelling (using the number 2 instead of to/too – ugh), or the worst – no punctuation at all. Personally I think bad spelling, grammar, etc…says A LOT about a person. — Sophie mom to Charlotte (6/98) Patrick (11/99) #3 due 12/20 See us at www.mcgehees.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And personally, >being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, >that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling >error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. >Mrs. P > As a former English major, incorrect grammar, spelling, etc….bugs the hell > out of me. Even when I get letters or e-mails from friends I swear I have > some kind of mental red pen, correcting their mistakes. Lol. But I do have > to disagree, it *is* important on Usenet. It’s very hard to read a post > with incorrect spelling, cutesy spelling (using the number 2 instead of > to/too – ugh), or the worst – no punctuation at all. Personally I think bad > spelling, grammar, etc…says A LOT about a person.
All is says to me is that one doesnt care about such things. One is not trying to pass a grammer/spelling test in Usenet. And I do recall when reading the usenet rules to make things as short as possible. To abbrev. when possible. To use "signs" if possible. And personally, I have never had trouble reading posts of that sort. But my op wasnt about usenet, spelling or puunctuation. Mrs. P
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>Mrs. P – just doesnt get it. > That’s the market, honey. We want the most we can get for our money. > Don’t you?
Yes, But to someone that has all those qualifications, college degrees, and years of experience, its an insult. And most wouldnt bother. I know I wouldnt. As a manager, I learned rather quickly that you get what you pay Simple. > BTW, this is NOT a flame, but I hope that you pay more attention to > spelling and punctuation on your resume than you did in your post.
Thats what the spell/grammer checker is for. Usually dont bother using it in usenet as its not important. > When I have to cull through 300 resumes, ONE error is more than I need > to tolerate.
up on a punctuation error. I would tend to think your eyes are too tired to pick up on that. You must be a very absurvant person. And personally, being that I have been there/done that myself, going through apps and such, that unless I was looking for a typist, a pucntuation or minor spelling error wouldnt and didnt phase me in the least. Mrs. P
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This is not a parenting question. I have been in search of a new part time job. I have a resume, and I have 13 years of being a Store Manager. Thing is. Im getting so aggrivated with the employers ads about the qualifications of a particular part-time job. Ex: So many pt job ads out there state things like, "Send a resume. Must have this exp/that exp. This degree, that degree" Thats fine but the topper is they only offer a pay of say $6 – $7 an hour. IMO thats bullshit. We are talking about a part time job that pays shit yet they want all that. First of all, as a 32 yo adult, if I need to work part time, then $6 hr just isnt going to cut it. If I were in high school, looking for some spending money, then thats fine. But of course, high schoolers wouldnt have those requirements in their background. So if any of you out there are employers, could you please explain to me how you can have all these type of requirements but yet only want to pay a high schoolers salary? Mrs. P – just doesnt get it.
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>Mrs. P – just doesnt get it.
That’s the market, honey. We want the most we can get for our money. Don’t you? BTW, this is NOT a flame, but I hope that you pay more attention to spelling and punctuation on your resume than you did in your post. When I have to cull through 300 resumes, ONE error is more than I need to tolerate.
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