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> > The only thing that I make them do and have a say over is going to school, > I didn’t, I offered them the choice of living back in the boonies or > hiding till we were caught so they couldn’t go outside, or going to > school. They wanted to go to school. I never forced them, nor do I think > kids should EVER be forced. Read "Summerhill" by A.S. Neill.
Would you have been prepared to move to the boonies if your kids had desired that? What if one wanted to move to the boonies and the other one wanted to stay? Mark
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Thanks for not re-posting his rantings, too. 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I do not know why other people do, but whenever I have writers block I come > in here and pick on Steve. It was not my intention when I first came in > here, I came to interact with other parents. I could care less about what > Steve says or does, but for some deranged reason, I get a kick out of the > arguments and I never back down from a verbal debate. I have my little > laugh and by the time I get back to my work, and I have forgotten what > stumped me in the first place. I know it was a rhetorical question but I am > just killing time until my brain feels like functioning again. I think I > will go vacuum the raisins my son left all over the floor now. LOL. > J.L.
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> Just because I do not believe in de-virginizing your children before a > certain age, does not mean that I do not know anything about parenting or > disagree with you 100% of the time, just for something to do.
"De-virginizing"?? They did it when they wanted to do it, which is naturally about 5 or 10 minutes after they figured out it feels good. You people sound like if the social perversion was eliminatory instead of sexual that you would NEVER want your kids to shit on the toilet by themselves even if they knew how!! Sex is nothing more than just another pleasant physical act requiring slight skill. > My children > eat when they want to eat, sleep when they want to sleep, I will sit outside > for 8 hours with them if they feel like it one day, I let them make 97% of > their decisions.
It only takes 3% to make real trouble in a child’s life! > The only thing that I make them do and have a say over is going to school,
I didn’t, I offered them the choice of living back in the boonies or hiding till we were caught so they couldn’t go outside, or going to school. They wanted to go to school. I never forced them, nor do I think kids should EVER be forced. Read "Summerhill" by A.S. Neill. > doing homework if they have not done it already,
Never ever did that either, and both did VERY well in school. They knew that if they didn’t do it that school would be more unpleasant, and anyway, they liked showing off. > and boundaries for outside.
I asked them, but never told them they had to stay close to home, and I said that if I got worried I’d call the cops to find them if I couldn’t find them, because I worried about them. They always told us where they would be. > This works out well for us but it may not for other children who abuse their > freedom.
Kids who are treated properly don’t "abuse their freedom", and it IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE to "abuse" a FREEDOM, or it isn’t a freedom!! Only kids who are restricted create a cause for concern. > With my way of raising my kids, we never argue, they get to test > their independence and they know how to make decisions from a very early > age. Testing the waters is what teaches them right from wrong, not telling > them day after day. That would make them want to rebel even more. Children > should not be labeled as "a bad sleeper" or "a bad eater" or whatever. They > are what they are. If I am not mistaken, you agree with my veiws on the > above from what I have read (I had to read between the lines and the insults > A LOT!).
Hahahahah! You try really hard to be a liberal. > You just do not have any people skills or you do not care.
Got YOUR attention, didn’t I?? Think about it… > If you > feel the need to fulfill your calling by helping us unfortunate trolls, you > need to work on your dialouge.
Dialog. To the degree that you make mistakes, I’ll catch them. The things I don’t comment on are because I agree with it. > You would have a lot less enemies
I wish to have the right enemies. Anything less is cowardice. > and we > might even take your ideas into consideration the odd time.
You do. You can’t help yourself. > You also have > to consider that some of these parents do not have the advantages of working > at home or having someone to support them.
That’s not needed to treat others with dignity. > They may work long shifts or are > single parents or whatever their situation is. They might need their > children to have a rest in the afternoon because they have 5 other children > and that is the only time they can get things done.
We worked at home a lot. We simply let our kids into our lives all the way and told them what we needed to do and why. They understood our limitations and even exactly how much money we had and how long it had to last. They treated us like older siblings they trusted. > You never know the full > situation before you shoot your mouth off.
If THAT was necessary it would be impossible to write less than complete novels. > You want us to be open to your > ideas but it is never fair play.
We are open to each other. It cannot be helped! > Did you ever think that maybe someone > elses idea is or was better than yours?
A few times, I made their idea mine. Then it was mine again. > It is all trial and tribulation.
Woe is us. > Whatever works best for the family. We come in here to brainstorm, not to > have lessons from Steve, the Great.
Poor insulted embarrassed little babe. Your insecurity is showing. Hang on to your ego if you cannot handle being told what I think. > You do not need to insult everyone that > comes in here just because they do not know something or because you do not > agree with a certain way things are done.
Well SOMEBODY ought to!! > The same boiling water softens > the carrot yet hardens the egg.
What in the world does THAT mean? > Whatever works best for the parents and > thier children.
Hah, if ONLY it were best for children!! > It seems that you like to label people before you know what > they are about.
Oh, but I DO know. If I were wrong they wouldn’t respond, but they do! > Labelling children causes them to rebel and not listen. > Why would it be any different for us? > J.L.
Labelling people in your mind is unavoidable, it is how thinking is constructed. Telling them what you think is simply being honest!! Steve
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I do not know why other people do, but whenever I have writers block I come in here and pick on Steve. It was not my intention when I first came in here, I came to interact with other parents. I could care less about what Steve says or does, but for some deranged reason, I get a kick out of the arguments and I never back down from a verbal debate. I have my little laugh and by the time I get back to my work, and I have forgotten what stumped me in the first place. I know it was a rhetorical question but I am just killing time until my brain feels like functioning again. I think I will go vacuum the raisins my son left all over the floor now. LOL. J.L.
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I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little nervous about asking my question. I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? Thank You.
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What is up with the short naps? Is she not getting enough rest with the short naps? Are you looking to get a block of time to yourself? I am wondering what the reasoning behind changing the nap routine. That might help identify what might change. Also, how does the napping routine go at your house? How does your daughter wake up, and what is waking her up? If she is just not tired, I know of nothing you could do. Nor would I imagine that you want to do anything. If she sleeps truely all night, like 12 hours, she may not need more sleep. Is she tired when you put her down for her short naps? Is she then wakeful? I know I did not offer any advice, but sometimes questions lead to thoughts that might help. Give us some more info and maybe we’ll come up with advice that helps. Stephanie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
Try an extra bottle, or half bottle, when feeding. Play a radio – amazing that kids will sleep when there’s sound yet awaken when things get silent – in the bedroom, or wherever your child sleeps. Invest in a mechanical rocker – our daughter seems to sleep quite well when she’s being rocked. With all that being said — and you may get many more suggestions — all children are not created equally. So you might experience a shorter sleep span during the night if you alter the current configuration of sleep cycles throughout the day. Aaron
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Is she really that tired on her "1st" nap? Does she fall asleep right away? If you think she is just be "woken" then change what ever it is that might be waking her. I would "think" that if a child is taking that many "power naps", its because the child isnt getting a good original nap. Just a guess. Whenever the first power nap is usually taken, I would just pawn the child off by playing, reading, walking, whatever. Just by interacting with the child, that usually gives them another "wind". Mrs. Pepper
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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I know with my 3 kids the nap routine went like this: An hour after waking up I would put them back into the crib and they would usually sleep for an hour. I did this whether they acted tired or not, it was a routine. They didn’t cry or anything. Then I would put them down again around 1 or 2 (it was different with each kid, I could tell they were tired at this time because of the rubbing of their eyes, etc.) They would sleep about 2- 2.5 hrs. I wouldn’t let them sleep past 4 pm. Then bedtime was around 8pm. Slept through the night until 7 am. Try a routine like this. If after 15 min. in the morning, if she wakes up, leave her alone for another 45 min. (as long as she isn’t crying. If she’s crying, give her 5 min. and see if she goes back to sleep. My kids would sometimes wake up, let out a cry and by the time I went upstairs they were back to sleep. Sometimes they just wake up and "talk" for awhile and then go back to sleep). After an hour if she is still sleeping, wake her up. Then do the same routine in the afternoon. Hopefully this will work for you. Try to set a routine and she will fall into it. With 4 or 5 small naps, it’s hard to get anything done like food shopping or other errands. Or even to plan an outing to the park. Mary Ellen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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If she seems happy and healthy, you might want to leave her as she is. But…some hints to get her to sleep longer would be using a fan for "white noise" (we are all still fan-addicts) , using heavy window coverings so the room is very dark, or keeping her awake and stimulated when she is dropping off for the first "power nap" (not to the point of crankiness though!) Every baby is different ! Becky
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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OMIGOD – I just remembered the other two things – make sure your kid is stuffed with food – maybe she’s hungry. Also – 6 months teeth could be ready to come in, making sleeping hard. Infant tylonal and infant ibuprophen can help take the edge off that pain.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know with my 3 kids the nap routine went like this: > An hour after waking up I would put them back into the crib and they would > usually sleep for an hour. I did this whether they acted tired or not, it > was a routine. They didn’t cry or anything. > Then I would put them down again around 1 or 2 (it was different with each > kid, I could tell they were tired at this time because of the rubbing of > their eyes, etc.) They would sleep about 2- 2.5 hrs. I wouldn’t let them > sleep past 4 pm. Then bedtime was around 8pm. Slept through the night > until 7 am. > Try a routine like this. If after 15 min. in the morning, if she wakes up, > leave her alone for another 45 min. (as long as she isn’t crying. If > she’s crying, give her 5 min. and see if she goes back to sleep. My kids > would sometimes wake up, let out a cry and by the time I went upstairs they > were back to sleep. Sometimes they just wake up and "talk" for awhile and > then go back to sleep). After an hour if she is still sleeping, wake her > up. Then do the same routine in the afternoon. > Hopefully this will work for you. Try to set a routine and she will fall > into it. With 4 or 5 small naps, it’s hard to get anything done like food > shopping or other errands. Or even to plan an outing to the park. > Mary Ellen > I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a > little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can > get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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Youch! I’d get nothing done all day if my boys napped like that. #1 son was always good about a 2 hour nap in the morning, and a 2 hour nap in the afternoon. I guess with your kid, what you depends on what the kid is doing now and how you are handling it. For example son #2 (turned 6 months today) goes down for a nap in the morning about 1.5 – 2 nhours after he gets up. Usually he’s tired and goes down quiuetly or with a little fussing. Afternoon nap – sometimes he doesn’t want a nap, but after being up for 2 hours or more, he needs it (and I need the time to cook dinner, etc.).I put him down, and if he doesn’t like it I let him cry for a bit. You know – set the timer for 10 minutes, and if he’s still crying go get him and back pack him while I work. Almost every time he is asleep after crying for 5 minutes. Does your kid wake up crying from naps? Does she wake up, you hear her talking/playing and you go get her? One can condition one’s child to taking short naps too. Sometimes I hear my son#2 get up after 45 minutes of napping, play/talk for a while, maybe squeel a bit, than he goes back to sleep. If my mother were around she’d go get him, screw up his nap, and get him used to not being able to go back to sleep on his own. Hope all that free association helps….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
No, at that age they are driven by their hunger, and their stomach is simply smaller and holds less, but they still need to fill it more often in order to grow, so they grow best when they are fed on demand and when they sleep when they are tired, just like you’re supposed to do! Funny that, isn’t it?? Steve
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why do you want her to sleep more than her body is naturally programmed for? is there something i am missing here? do you want her to nap so you don’t have to deal with her? she sleeps all night, you said. i sleep all night, you sleep all night, why do you want her to sleep during the day when you do not? leave the poor kid alone!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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When you have kids you will see that when they don’t get sleep during the day they are cranky and irritable. When kids get enough sleep they are a joy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why do you want her to sleep more than her body is naturally programmed for? > is there something i am missing here? > do you want her to nap so you don’t have to deal with her? > she sleeps all night, you said. i sleep all night, you sleep all night, why > do you want her to sleep during the day when you do not? leave the poor kid > alone! > I hope I am in the right place. After reading some of the posts I am a > little > nervous about asking my question. > I have a 6 month old who sleeps all night (YEAH!), but takes only 15 to 20 > minute naps all day long (between 4 and 5). Does anyone know how I can > get her > to take 2 or 3 longer naps instead of these short little power naps? > Thank You.
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> When you have kids
How the fuck do you know that they don’t, asswipe?? > you will see that when they don’t get sleep during the > day they are cranky and irritable.
Pure unadulterated horseshit. Most kids can stay awake a whole day. They are less able to put up with adult BULLSHIT unless kept sleepy and stupid, so they can stay up if you don’t give them a bunch of BULLSHIT! Most parents give them shit all day and then wonder why they finally throw a fit when they get a little tired! It’s the SHIT!! If you had to play suck-up-and-mind-your-fucking-place all day YOU’D throw a fit by late afternoon as well! > When kids get enough sleep they are a joy.
You seem to mean when they ARE asleep they are a joy! But then we know you don’t respect teens, let ALONE children. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why do you want her to sleep more than her body is naturally programmed > for? > is there something i am missing here? > do you want her to nap so you don’t have to deal with her? > she sleeps all night, you said. i sleep all night, you sleep all night, > why > do you want her to sleep during the day when you do not? leave the poor > kid > alone!
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I think Steve needs a little nap J.L.
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> I think Steve needs a little nap > J.L.
You probably need to stop breathing awhile. You probably do the same shit to your kids, it’s no wonder they hate your fucking guts. Steve
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Why do you always assume the worst about everyone? Who ever said they hated me? You are such a buttmunch. You need to relax G. FYI, my kids go to bed whenever they want which suits us both fine. It is always between 8 and 10 pm and I never have to force them. They sleep when they want to sleep.
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> Why do you always assume the worst about everyone? Who ever said they hated > me? You are such a buttmunch. You need to relax G. FYI, my kids go to bed > whenever they want which suits us both fine. It is always between 8 and 10 > pm and I never have to force them. They sleep when they want to sleep.
Then you’re a lot smarter than you act, and that means you’re a troll. Steve
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Just because I do not believe in de-virginizing your children before a certain age, does not mean that I do not know anything about parenting or disagree with you 100% of the time, just for something to do. My children eat when they want to eat, sleep when they want to sleep, I will sit outside for 8 hours with them if they feel like it one day, I let them make 97% of their decisions. The only thing that I make them do and have a say over is going to school, doing homework if they have not done it already, and boundaries for outside. This works out well for us but it may not for other children who abuse their freedom. With my way of raising my kids, we never argue, they get to test their independence and they know how to make decisions from a very early age. Testing the waters is what teaches them right from wrong, not telling them day after day. That would make them want to rebel even more. Children should not be labeled as "a bad sleeper" or "a bad eater" or whatever. They are what they are. If I am not mistaken, you agree with my veiws on the above from what I have read (I had to read between the lines and the insults A LOT!). You just do not have any people skills or you do not care. If you feel the need to fulfill your calling by helping us unfortunate trolls, you need to work on your dialouge. You would have a lot less enemies and we might even take your ideas into consideration the odd time. You also have to consider that some of these parents do not have the advantages of working at home or having someone to support them. They may work long shifts or are single parents or whatever their situation is. They might need their children to have a rest in the afternoon because they have 5 other children and that is the only time they can get things done. You never know the full situation before you shoot your mouth off. You want us to be open to your ideas but it is never fair play. Did you ever think that maybe someone elses idea is or was better than yours? It is all trial and tribulation. Whatever works best for the family. We come in here to brainstorm, not to have lessons from Steve, the Great. You do not need to insult everyone that comes in here just because they do not know something or because you do not agree with a certain way things are done. The same boiling water softens the carrot yet hardens the egg. Whatever works best for the parents and thier children. It seems that you like to label people before you know what they are about. Labelling children causes them to rebel and not listen. Why would it be any different for us? J.L.
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Oh, why oh why do people waste their time on this guy?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just because I do not believe in de-virginizing your children before a > certain age, does not mean that I do not know anything about parenting or > disagree with you 100% of the time, just for something to do. My children > eat when they want to eat, sleep when they want to sleep, I will sit outside > for 8 hours with them if they feel like it one day, I let them make 97% of > their decisions. > The only thing that I make them do and have a say over is going to school, > doing homework if they have not done it already, and boundaries for outside. > This works out well for us but it may not for other children who abuse their > freedom. With my way of raising my kids, we never argue, they get to test > their independence and they know how to make decisions from a very early > age. Testing the waters is what teaches them right from wrong, not telling > them day after day. That would make them want to rebel even more. Children > should not be labeled as "a bad sleeper" or "a bad eater" or whatever. They > are what they are. If I am not mistaken, you agree with my veiws on the > above from what I have read (I had to read between the lines and the insults > A LOT!). You just do not have any people skills or you do not care. If you > feel the need to fulfill your calling by helping us unfortunate trolls, you > need to work on your dialouge. You would have a lot less enemies and we > might even take your ideas into consideration the odd time. You also have > to consider that some of these parents do not have the advantages of working > at home or having someone to support them. They may work long shifts or are > single parents or whatever their situation is. They might need their > children to have a rest in the afternoon because they have 5 other children > and that is the only time they can get things done. You never know the full > situation before you shoot your mouth off. You want us to be open to your > ideas but it is never fair play. Did you ever think that maybe someone > elses idea is or was better than yours? It is all trial and tribulation. > Whatever works best for the family. We come in here to brainstorm, not to > have lessons from Steve, the Great. You do not need to insult everyone that > comes in here just because they do not know something or because you do not > agree with a certain way things are done. The same boiling water softens > the carrot yet hardens the egg. Whatever works best for the parents and > thier children. It seems that you like to label people before you know what > they are about. Labelling children causes them to rebel and not listen. > Why would it be any different for us? > J.L.
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