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[nothing related] hello toto. i just wanted to reply something to your alt.usenet.kooks posting via email, and i had to find out your email address is not a valid one. id like to tell you this via mail rather than public, but you dont let me much of a choice. a few things: netiquette requires you to have a valid replyable email address. its not necessary that its your "business" or "real" one, but it has to be replyable, and you have to read it from time to time. you can now say that you dont like that, but this is not ontopic here, we can discuss that in dsnu or the english equivalent, if you want, not here, however. its netiquette and thus youve got to do it. the nice thing about the usenet is, that everything is changeable. if you dont like this part of the netiquette and if you can convince the majority, we can change the RFC (request for comment) and you wont have to do it anymore, but today its netiquette. then: a signature starts with the characters "– n", in which "n" is a newline. i dont want to flame you, its just that i think this netiquette is reasonable and i would have liked to answer your message there non-public. best regards, nick — Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft … and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. — Wernher von Braun
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [nothing related] > hello toto. > i just wanted to reply something to your alt.usenet.kooks posting via > email, and i had to find out your email address is not a valid one. > id like to tell you this via mail rather than public, but you dont let me > much of a choice. > a few things: > netiquette requires you to have a valid replyable email address. its not > necessary that its your "business" or "real" one, but it has to be > replyable, and you have to read it from time to time. > you can now say that you dont like that, but this is not ontopic here, we > can discuss that in dsnu or the english equivalent, if you want, not here, > however. its netiquette and thus youve got to do it. the nice thing about > the usenet is, that everything is changeable. if you dont like this part of > the netiquette and if you can convince the majority, we can change the RFC > (request for comment) and you wont have to do it anymore, but today its > netiquette. > then: a signature starts with the characters "– n", in which "n" is a > newline. > i dont want to flame you, its just that i think this netiquette is > reasonable and i would have liked to answer your message there non-public. > best regards, > nick
Nick – I am not dorothy, but I also do not use a real email addy. Many of the people I have encourntered in these several years on UseNet do not do so. WHy? Spam in the email box. If you can figure out a way to avoid the hateful spam and yet use a live addy, let us know. Until then, many of us will continue to use munged email addys. -Aula
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> Until then, many of us > will continue to use munged email addys.
i use my real addy, and did not get any spam so far. however, a (still non-netiquette-conform) solution would be adding no-spam to your name in the address, so that human readers can modify it. but still: if you dont agree with the netiqutte: change it or discuss about that topic in a proper newsgroup. this is not a forum to discuss that, and believe me: theres a lot of fight about the netiquette, its reasonable, a lot of heads thought about it. join, if you want, but dont ignore it, please, thats not the spirit of the usenet. regards, nick — The objective of all dedicated employees should be to thoroughly analyze all situations, anticipate all problems prior to their occurrence, have answers for these problems, and move swiftly to solve these problems when called upon. However, When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remind yourself your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Until then, many of us > will continue to use munged email addys. > i use my real addy, and did not get any spam so far. > however, a (still non-netiquette-conform) solution would be adding no-spam > to your name in the address, so that human readers can modify it. > but still: if you dont agree with the netiqutte: change it or discuss about > that topic in a proper newsgroup. this is not a forum to discuss that, and > believe me: theres a lot of fight about the netiquette, its reasonable, a > lot of heads thought about it. > join, if you want, but dont ignore it, please, thats not the spirit of the > usenet.
and where, exactly, does one hold this particular discussion? news.groups? I personally think it is time for a change. Even with the nospam addition to a former email addy we got loads of spam. I hate it on the phone, in the snail mail, and will do all I can to avoid it in the email. -Aula
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[whether to use real addresses or not] > and where, exactly, does one hold this particular discussion? > news.groups?
i dont really know the american net. the german one would be de.soc.netzkultur.umgangsformen or de.newusers.questions. the americna ones seem to be news.groups, news.groups.questions and alt.culture.usenet. however, i set the follow-up to be news.groups.questions, so that answers to this posting will appear in n.g.q. regards, nick — A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry.
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[email addy or not] > The spirit of the usenet? nick, please.
the spirit of the usenet is that everything that happens has to be the conclusion of the community. those conclusions were written down in an RFC which have widely changed through times, as a result of the community process. usenet is anarchic, yes, but: theres a community, and sure you can ignore those rules, but youve got to see how community takes it. its certainly harder in groups out of alt.ALL, especiall in technical groups, in german ones much more than in americna ones. im "at home" in de.comp.lang.java, and there we once had a guy who refused quoting at all, and started insulting cos we kept on telling him (very friendly) that hes supposed to change that, until finally we had enough and the whole core-group plonked him (i.e. added him to the killfile). ok, this wont happen in this group, i just tell: there are situations when netiquette is enforced, the net is not as anarchic as you think it is. but as i said, this is not a topic of this group, so: x-post&fup2news.groups regards, nick — Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleveland. — National Lampoon, "Deteriorata"
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<Snip off-topic post about … netique, if you can believe the irony> >I am not dorothy, but I also do not use a real email addy. Many of the >people I have encourntered in these several years on UseNet do not do so. >WHy? Spam in the email box. If you can figure out a way to avoid the >hateful spam and yet use a live addy, let us know. Until then, many of us >will continue to use munged email addys.
Interestingly, when on Armory, I might get from 1 – 5 spams a day. As soon as I switched over to Cruzio, it went up to 10 – 20 a day. Now, in the past, I had heard that the spammers got addresses from web pages. My web site is still on Armory. As to getting the addresses from usenet postings, my newsgroup list is the same now as it was on Armory. My posting frequency may be down because the Cruzio newsfeed is a bit … sucky. That suggests that it is also not usenet postings from which they draw the majority of the addresses. I think that what it may be is that Armory’s resident pedophile is a spam-repellant. After all, he is pretty repugnunt. "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Interestingly, when on Armory, I might get from 1 – 5 spams a > day. As soon as I switched over to Cruzio, it went up to 10 – 20 > a day. > Now, in the past, I had heard that the spammers got addresses > from web pages. My web site is still on Armory. > As to getting the addresses from usenet postings, my newsgroup > list is the same now as it was on Armory. My posting frequency > may be down because the Cruzio newsfeed is a bit … sucky. That > suggests that it is also not usenet postings from which they draw > the majority of the addresses. > I think that what it may be is that Armory’s resident pedophile > is a spam-repellant. After all, he is pretty repugnunt.
Glen, Your stats are interesting. We don’t have a web page, hubby took it down several ip’s ago. When I posted to four ng’s regularly using our real email addy we got loads of spam, most of it sexually oriented. [My ng's were all parenting ones, too.] When we switched carriers and I no longer used a real email addy spam went to zero. Another issue with using a real addy with things like "no spam" inserted is that people can readily stalk you. We had an incident like that with one of hubby’s ng’s. We prefer to avoid the netkooks arriving at our door and will keep the email addy thoroughly munged. -Aula
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. When you find someone who you believe is > trustworthy enough and you want to establish e-mail contact – Swap PGP keys and > pass your e-mail on that way.
<snip stuff I agree with wholeheartedly> What is a PGP key? -Aula, restoring to original group where this thread started
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> What is a PGP key?
an asynchronous mechanism for encrypting bynary data, using several strong encryption mechanisms. you can download a free implementation on www.pgp.com or search google for the open source back part, gpg. pgp stands for Pretty Good Privacy and is quite a secure way to send people messages. youll like it =) regards, nick — Disc space — the final frontier!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Interestingly, when on Armory, I might get from 1 – 5 spams a > day. As soon as I switched over to Cruzio, it went up to 10 – 20 > a day. > Now, in the past, I had heard that the spammers got addresses > from web pages. My web site is still on Armory. > As to getting the addresses from usenet postings, my newsgroup > list is the same now as it was on Armory. My posting frequency > may be down because the Cruzio newsfeed is a bit … sucky. That > suggests that it is also not usenet postings from which they draw > the majority of the addresses. > I think that what it may be is that Armory’s resident pedophile > is a spam-repellant. After all, he is pretty repugnunt. >Your stats are interesting. We don’t have a web page, hubby took it down >several ip’s ago. When I posted to four ng’s regularly using our real email >addy we got loads of spam, most of it sexually oriented. [My ng's were all >parenting ones, too.] When we switched carriers and I no longer used a real >email addy spam went to zero.
DANG! The last change was two changes in one, so we can’t really guess which had the desired effect. >Another issue with using a real addy with things like "no spam" inserted is >that people can readily stalk you. We had an incident like that with one of >hubby’s ng’s. We prefer to avoid the netkooks arriving at our door and will >keep the email addy thoroughly munged.
Understood. No ISP has ever had anything like a real address for us — so that has never been an issue for me. "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom
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>What is a PGP key?
It’s one of those metal dealies on yer keychain that will unlock the PGP doors. "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." — "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom
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> Your stats are interesting. We don’t have a web page, hubby took it down > several ip’s ago. When I posted to four ng’s regularly using our real email > addy we got loads of spam, most of it sexually oriented. [My ng's were all > parenting ones, too.] When we switched carriers and I no longer used a real > email addy spam went to zero.
I get about 100 messages per day. That’s about half work related and the other half spam. Of the spam, perhaps half is get rich schemes and the other half sexually oriented. My "daughter" is on AOL and already getting a few spams each day even thought she doesn’t even know what a ng is.
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> I get about 100 messages per day. That’s about half work > related and the other half spam. Of the spam, perhaps half > is get rich schemes and the other half sexually oriented. > My "daughter" is on AOL and already getting a few spams each > day even thought she doesn’t even know what a ng is.
I have several friends on AOL who all comment on the amount of Spam. We had little problem with that on local dial-ups and Earthlink until we really got into the ng’s. The amount increased *significantly*. Of course, there are many internet sites that can scalp your email addy and spam will arrive as a result of that, as well as other sources. For us, it went to zero when we both munged the email addys in the ng’s and switched isp. -Aula
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> i use my real addy, and did not get any spam so far.
And I used brand new, real addy on an aviation newsgroup one time recently and my mailbox was flooded the next day. The first time I used not only a fake address but a fake name, too, was on this very group. Too many weirdoes here. No offense to the regulars but it is a sad fact. — Jim
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I get about 100 messages per day. That’s about half work > related and the other half spam. Of the spam, perhaps half > is get rich schemes and the other half sexually oriented. > My "daughter" is on AOL and already getting a few spams each > day even thought she doesn’t even know what a ng is. > I have several friends on AOL who all comment on the amount of Spam. We had > little problem with that on local dial-ups and Earthlink until we really got > into the ng’s. The amount increased *significantly*. Of course, there are > many internet sites that can scalp your email addy and spam will arrive as a > result of that, as well as other sources. For us, it went to zero when we > both munged the email addys in the ng’s and switched isp.
I am very disappointed in J getting sex site emails within days of joining AOL. She’s never been on a ng so I must assume that AOL is selling email addresses. The good news is that I’ve been very pleased with the way she has handled herself with the responsibility of the internet so far. Other than wanting to spend too much time online, she handles herself very well.
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> Until then, many of us > will continue to use munged email addys. > i use my real addy, and did not get any spam so far. > however, a (still non-netiquette-conform) solution would be adding no-spam > to your name in the address, so that human readers can modify it.
Except that most spam generators can strip that out as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> but still: if you dont agree with the netiqutte: change it or discuss about > that topic in a proper newsgroup. this is not a forum to discuss that, and > believe me: theres a lot of fight about the netiquette, its reasonable, a > lot of heads thought about it. > join, if you want, but dont ignore it, please, thats not the spirit of the > usenet. > regards, > nick > — > The objective of all dedicated employees should be to thoroughly > analyze all situations, anticipate all problems prior to their > occurrence, have answers for these problems, and move swiftly to solve > these problems when called upon. > However, When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to > remind yourself your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
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