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My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that his penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get feedback and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? His forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force but definately loosening. feedback appreciated. Patty
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>My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that his >penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get feedback >and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? His >forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force but >definately loosening. >feedback appreciated. >Patty
I would certainly take him to the doctor. If Life was a Highway, I’d be in a ditch Bright Blessings Brenda Smeby ICQ#4128184
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>My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that his >penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get feedback >and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? His >forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force but >definately loosening. >feedback appreciated.
I think I’d take him to the doctor. It could be a UTI. Remember that the treatment for a UTI is antibiotics, not circumcision. The supposed protection that circumcision gives for UTIs is only seen in the first year anyway.
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> >My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that > his >penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get > feedback >and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? > His >forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force > but >definately loosening. >feedback appreciated.
I’m commenting only on this part of your post. I would take the child to the doctor, but I’m concerned that you are pushing the foreskin back over the glans even though it requires "force." The foreskin is not totally retractable until after the age of 7 and should not be forced. This procedure alone might be causing the pain in the penis. Also you might ask him exactly where the pain is. If it is around the opening or meatus it might indeed be a UTI. marcie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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>I think I’d take him to the doctor. It could be a UTI.
Good idea. >Remember that the treatment for a UTI is antibiotics, not >circumcision. The supposed protection that circumcision gives for >UTIs is only seen in the first year anyway.
Remember that your best advice comes from a health professional you trust, not a ng. Mary
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>My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that his >penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get feedback >and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? His >forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force but >definately loosening. >feedback appreciated. >Patty
Maybe he has an infection that you can’t see. I would take him to his doctor. It could be a urinary tract infection or a yeast or fungal infection. A doctor’s advise seems called for here. -Suzi in Chapel Hill
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>>I think I’d take him to the doctor. It could be a UTI. >Good idea. >Remember that the treatment for a UTI is antibiotics, not >circumcision. The supposed protection that circumcision gives for >UTIs is only seen in the first year anyway. >Remember that your best advice comes from a health professional you trust, not >a ng. >Mary
Mary, when a female has a UTI (and females have many more than men) do they give antibiotics, or do they recommend trimming on the genitals? Don’t you think males should get the same treatment for UTIs as females? Re: health professionals you trust: I would not take my car to a mechanic who knew as little about its hidden mechanisms and inner workings as a MD knows about the human body. Be very leary about what MDs tell you. I am.
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>Mary, when a female has a UTI (and females have many more than men) >do >they give antibiotics, or do they recommend trimming on the genitals?
Sorry, I will not be drawn into this argument. You are reading things into my post which were not intended. >Don’t you think males should get the same treatment for UTIs as >females?
I most certainly did not suggest the boy be circ’d. What I did say is that a ng is the wrong place to go for authoritative medical advice. I stand by that statement. >Re: health professionals you trust: I would not take my car to a >mechanic who knew as little about its hidden mechanisms and inner >workings as a MD knows about the human body. Be very leary about what >MDs tell you. I am.
Please read again the words "a health professional YOU TRUST". I did not say "take the child to any old doctor and do what s/he tells you to do". Your generalization that the average person knows more about the "hidden mechanisms and inner workings" of the human body is just plain false. Certainly *some* people do know more than *some* doctors, which is why it is important to find a health professional in whose expertise you are confident and whose philosophy you share. No I would not take my car to a mechanic who did not know how to fix it, nor, however, would I leave it standing in the driveway I would take it to one who in my opinion was an expert and on whom I could rely. The same is true the health professionals I choose for myself and my family, and believe me I know from whence I speak. I have searched long and hard on more than one occasional to find the right doctor and never regretted the time spent or the result. On medical issues, I would trust their opinions far more than any I might read on a ng. Mary
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Brenda, When my son was 3, he too had complained of discomfort. We were on a plane on the way home from our beach house that summer. I immediately took him to his pediatrician. As it turned out, a grain of sand had made its way under the foreskin, causing an irritation and subsequent infection. It was only a matter of antibiotics and a thorough cleasing to clear up the problem. Neither of my boys are circumcised and this has been the only problem to date. At the time my 3 yr old’s foreskin was not retractable at all. Do take your son to the pediatrician. Also, I have found a site that may assist you in your previous questions. Here is the link: http://www.circumcision.org/ I found the information most informative and helpful. Best to you and your little one! Robyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My son is 3. he is not circumsized. Lately he has complained that his >penis hurts. It looks fine, not red at all. Im hoping to get feedback >and ideas on what this could be about. Should he go to the doctor? His >forskin is faily loose,not enough to go over the head without force but >definately loosening. >feedback appreciated. >Patty > I would certainly take him to the doctor. > If Life was a Highway, I’d be in a ditch > Bright Blessings > Brenda Smeby > ICQ#4128184
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As it turned out, a grain of sand had made its way under the foreskin, causing an irritation and subsequent infection. It was only a matter of antibiotics and a thorough cleasing to clear up the problem. Maybe that’s why the Arabs & Jews do circumcision. All those pesky grains of sand! M&D
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>Maybe that’s why the Arabs & Jews do circumcision. All those pesky >grains of >sand!
ROTFLOL!!!!! :-) Mary
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> >Maybe that’s why the Arabs & Jews do circumcision. All those pesky >grains of >sand! > ROTFLOL!!!!! :-)
It is more than likely at least PART of the reason behind the universal circumcision of Jews and Arabs. During WW II in the North African desert campaigns many uncircumcised British and American soldiers suffered from sand under their foreskins and got themselves circumcised to avoid the unpleasant consequences. — Vernon Quaintance
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> During WW II in the North African desert campaigns many uncircumcised > British and American soldiers suffered from sand under their foreskins > and got themselves circumcised to avoid the unpleasant consequences. — > Vernon Quaintance
And I am sure that Mr. Quintance gets quite a thrill thinking about these men. V.Q. is amember of the Acorn Society, a rather kinky organization that gets erotic thrills from forcible circumcision. If you don’t believe me, a quick visit to your local search engine will take you someplace I assure you that you don’t want to go. Furthermore, most desert cultures never developed the practice of circumcision, so I doubt that the sand hypothesis is true. -seric
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I believe that circumcision is a personal decision. I choose to have my two sons done because *HONESTLY* I was fearful I may not be able to keep them clean enough to prevent infection. That was my opinion, based on what I know about myself. I have been caretaker for several "uncut" boys, and have witnessed a few outbreaks of cysts, infection, and even in one extreme case, one boy eventually had to be circumcised for the skin had adhered to the head of his penis, with infection and cysts beneath what had grown over. In his case, the foreskin was too tight to pull back, and the mother had been informed not to attempt this until he was at least an year anyway, when he screamed every time a diaper was changed, or when she went to clean his genitals in the tub, she decided it was time to change doctors! The horrors I have witnessed are not all that rare, and to think stats is insane! No one person will tell you the same story that I have! It is personal. If you wish to do it, please, do it guilt free, if you choose not to, that is great! Why put a person down for doing something society has been doing for eons? And to tell the truth, maybe you all should look into other cultures…some tribes circumcise their female children at age 8! Some sew them up, to retain their virginity until wed…it is their life, their decision! Thinking maybe bashing should be left to the criminally challenged, elusive1
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>I believe that circumcision is a personal decision. I choose to have my two >sons done because *HONESTLY* I was fearful I may not be able to keep them >clean enough to prevent infection. That was my opinion, based on what I know >about myself. I have been caretaker for several "uncut" boys, and have >witnessed a few outbreaks of cysts, infection, and even in one extreme case, >one boy eventually had to be circumcised for the skin had adhered to the >head of his penis, with infection and cysts beneath what had grown over. In >his case, the foreskin was too tight to pull back, and the mother had been >informed not to attempt this until he was at least an year anyway, when he
Not "had adhered to the head of his penis." The correct statement is "was still adhered to the head of his penis." The foreskin is fused to the head of the penis at birth, like a puppy’s eyelids are joined together. Over a period of time there is a natural separation. Days for the puppy, years for the boy. The doctor was wrong – no one should attempt to pull back the foreskin. Let the boy do it himself. It doesn’t matter if he is seven or ten years old when it first happens. It is amazing to me that in Europe, when no boys are circumcised, except for religious reasons, these problems are very very rare. So rare that they do not even consider circumcision as a decision that needs to be made. If out of "several uncut boys" you saw "a few outbreaks of cysts, infection, and even in one extreme case…" then these boys were not being properly cared for, probably someone was prematurely retracting the foreskin. In Europe they know better, unfortunately here we do not, we have lost the knowledge. But we will relearn it. >screamed every time a diaper was changed, or when she went to clean his >genitals in the tub, she decided it was time to change doctors! The horrors >I have witnessed are not all that rare, and to think stats is insane! No one >person will tell you the same story that I have! It is personal. If you wish >to do it, please, do it guilt free, if you choose not to, that is great! Why >put a person down for doing something society has been doing for eons? And >to tell the truth, maybe you all should look into other cultures…some >tribes circumcise their female children at age 8! Some sew them up, to >retain their virginity until wed…it is their life, their decision! >Thinking maybe bashing should be left to the criminally challenged, >elusive1
If I sincerely believe that circumcision is a personal decision, it is OK for me to circumcise my daughters?
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: I believe that circumcision is a personal decision. I choose to have my two : sons done because *HONESTLY* I was fearful I may not be able to keep them : clean enough to prevent infection. That was my opinion, based on what I know : about myself. I have been caretaker for several "uncut" boys, and have To hear you we really need to know how many, and how many overall you have cared for. Then we can start asking others if they find the same proportions. How many boys have you cared for? How many were circumcised? How many circumcised had trouble? How many uncircumcised had trouble? : witnessed a few outbreaks of cysts, Could you describe what a cyst involves and any treamtment that was given for it, please? : infection, Could you tell of the infections and treatment? and even in one extreme case, : one boy eventually had to be circumcised for the skin had adhered to the : head of his penis, I thought that it was normal for the skin to be adhered until a certain age? : with infection and cysts beneath what had grown over. In : his case, the foreskin was too tight to pull back, and the mother had been : informed not to attempt this until he was at least an year anyway, Might we presume that she had been trying and had caused the infection? when he : screamed every time a diaper was changed, But the circumcised scream when they urinate, I think. I am sure that this may give a wrong message to the developing nervous system. Is it not likely to cause urinary retention with possible kidney harm? or when she went to clean his : genitals in the tub, she decided it was time to change doctors! I have recently been having trouble with swollen eyelids and dry eyes wiht poor vision. Sometimes a sty in the eyelid can be very painful. I have fixed my eyelids and eyes by reducing my fish intake (I had been eating fish each day for protein) and stopping using a laptop computer which give off a toxic smell when working. While I had the trouble eating fat would tend to block pores and cause sties. So excision does not have to be the answer. The horrors : I have witnessed are not all that rare, and to think stats is insane! When you say, `not all that rare,’ is that not stats you are using? If it is not stats what is it? Let’s hear what you mean, if you aren’t just trying to get a handling charge for foreskins for `experiments’. No one : person will tell you the same story that I have! Let us have your whole story. : It is personal. If you wish : to do it, please, do it guilt free, if you choose not to, that is great! You would help us by giving more data. When you are speaking your way it seems just like an advertisement. Why : put a person down for doing something society has been doing for eons? In New Zealand and in Britain they stopped when they no longer got the automatic payment. If they thought it to be important that would not have stopped them. Society can do things for eons for the wrong reason. And : to tell the truth, maybe you all should look into other cultures…some : tribes circumcise their female children at age 8! Some sew them up, to : retain their virginity until wed…it is their life, their decision! : Thinking maybe bashing should be left to the criminally challenged, : elusive1 Please explain! Dodo Dolphin. I have no long arms to hug you but I like formation swimming and sensing inside you with my sonar. Above water exhausts for motor boats, please.
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> when he >: screamed every time a diaper was changed, >But the circumcised scream when they urinate, I think. I am sure that >this may give a wrong message to the developing nervous system. Is it not >likely to cause urinary retention with possible kidney harm?
I’m sorry, but you are WRONG. My son is circ’d, and he NEVER had such a problem, nor have any other circ’d boys I’ve seen. You are overgeneralizing and going to extremes. For example…are you Circumcised? If not, how can you know if it’s painful. If you are, do YOU scream when you urinate? My daughter cant stand a wet diaper…has never been able to. Gee…and she’s not circumcised. Base your argument on FACT, please, not emotional overgeneralizations. If Life was a Highway, I’d be in a ditch Bright Blessings Brenda Smeby ICQ#4128184
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>>But the circumcised scream when they urinate, I think. I am sure that >this may give a wrong message to the developing nervous system. Is it not >likely to cause urinary retention with possible kidney harm? >I’m sorry, but you are WRONG. My son is circ’d, and he NEVER had such >a problem, nor have any other circ’d boys I’ve seen.
The glans of a newborn boy’s circumcised penis is basically an open wound, since the foreskin had to be ripped away from it. That’s why you need to keep the glans covered in Vaseline until it heals. If a parent fails to keep enough Vaseline on the "wounded" glans, when the infant urinates, it’s going to sting. And that may cause the boy to start crying or even screaming. IMHO, this is just common sense… -Lynne
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>The glans of a newborn boy’s circumcised penis is basically an open wound, >since the foreskin had to be ripped away from it. That’s why you need to >keep the glans covered in Vaseline until it heals. If a parent fails to >keep enough Vaseline on the "wounded" glans, when the infant urinates, >it’s going to sting. And that may cause the boy to start crying or even >screaming. IMHO, this is just common sense… >-Lynne
True..it’s also common sense to keep the area covered with Vaseline for the recommended amount of time so that it WON’T sting. <G> If Life was a Highway, I’d be in a ditch Bright Blessings Brenda Smeby ICQ#4128184
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>>The glans of a newborn boy’s circumcised penis is basically an open wound, >since the foreskin had to be ripped away from it. That’s why you need to >keep the glans covered in Vaseline until it heals. If a parent fails to >keep enough Vaseline on the "wounded" glans, when the infant urinates, >it’s going to sting. And that may cause the boy to start crying or even >screaming. IMHO, this is just common sense… >True..it’s also common sense to keep the area covered with Vaseline >for the recommended amount of time so that it WON’T sting. <G>
Although the best common sense is to just leave the penis as nature had intended, with foreskin attached. -Lynne
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The glans of a newborn boy’s circumcised penis is basically an open wound, >since the foreskin had to be ripped away from it. That’s why you need to >keep the glans covered in Vaseline until it heals. If a parent fails to >keep enough Vaseline on the "wounded" glans, when the infant urinates, >it’s going to sting. And that may cause the boy to start crying or even >screaming. IMHO, this is just common sense… >-Lynne > True..it’s also common sense to keep the area covered with Vaseline > for the recommended amount of time so that it WON’T sting. <G>
Which, of course, suggests an even easier and safer plan: Don’t circumcise. -seric
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> If I sincerely believe that circumcision is a personal decision, it is > OK for me to circumcise my daughters?
No it most certainly is not, because in Judeo-Christian culture (ie that of the West), it is traditionally acceptable for males to be circumcised, not females. Which is why both I and my son are circumcised, and the son my wife and I are expecting will also be. Ric
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:> when he :>: screamed every time a diaper was changed, :> :>But the circumcised scream when they urinate, I think. I am sure that :>this may give a wrong message to the developing nervous system. Is it not :>likely to cause urinary retention with possible kidney harm? :> : I’m sorry, but you are WRONG. My son is circ’d, and he NEVER had such : a problem, nor have any other circ’d boys I’ve seen. You are : overgeneralizing and going to extremes. For example…are you : Circumcised? If not, how can you know if it’s painful. If you are, : do YOU scream when you urinate? I don’t have the conscious memories of those early days jumping at me. Mother had four boys and said sometimes they shriek when they urinate until the wound heals. Sometimes it can bleed for quite a while she told me. : My daughter cant stand a wet diaper…has never been able to. : Gee…and she’s not circumcised. Is it so uncomfortable when the warm urine comes out? It wouldn’t be too uncomfortable until it starts to burn/gets cold? What I am concerned with is the immediate pain at the release. I know that the nervous system develops in stages. At the neonatal stage there is not much discrimination between the various senses. (Some never lose the overlap between sound and vision – synesthesia ?) Most creatures make ajustsments to avoid pain. That is part of the learning process. All sorts of actions are tried by the evolving organism. The useful ones – the non-painful ones are retained. I would speculate that the damage done to sensorimotor/emotional development by neonatal circumcision would be measurable, especially if the urination pain is not attended to. Then if you anesthetise the penis until it heals what part of the normal learning is going to be lost? Suckling and defecating, urinating and touch would be interefered with at cost if the organs are anesthetized. : Base your argument on FACT, please, not emotional overgeneralizations. Where do I get the facts about this? I think there will be vested interests to hide them? Dodo Dolphin. Above water exhausts for motor boats, please.
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>> If I sincerely believe that circumcision is a personal decision, it is > OK for me to circumcise my daughters? >No it most certainly is not, because in Judeo-Christian culture (ie that of the >West), it is traditionally acceptable for males to be circumcised, not females. >Which is why both I and my son are circumcised, and the son my wife and I are >expecting will also be.
I’m sorry. I don’t think I understand. It’s not OK for me to circumcise my daughter, but if I came from a culture in which it is traditionally acceptable for females to be circumcised, but not males, then it would be OK to circumcise her? Then why is it against the law? If I came from a culture in which it is traditionally acceptable to shoot men who circumcised their sons then it would be OK to shoot you? You are confusing me.
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: I don’t have the conscious memories of those early days jumping at me. But sometimes I wonder if circumcised men find it harder to engage in moderate movement – sort of housework things. The glans of the penis, and in some types of circumcision some turned back foreskin will rub on the clothing. Foreskin is much more sensitive than the outer penis skin, more so than the dry glans. So is there going to be confusion doing tasks unless the intellectual/emotional/physical input is sufficient to override the sex touch input? Perhaps if you know both types of partners/sons you could give us some facts. Do the circumcised ones prefer to keep still, or be very vigorous and nothing moderate in between? Dodo Dolphin. Above water exhausts for motor boats, please. I have no long arms to hug you but I like formation swimming and sensing inside you with my sonar.
: :> when he : :>: screamed every time a diaper was changed, : :> : :>But the circumcised scream when they urinate, I think. I am sure that : :>this may give a wrong message to the developing nervous system. Is it not : :>likely to cause urinary retention with possible kidney harm? : :> : : I’m sorry, but you are WRONG. My son is circ’d, and he NEVER had such : : a problem, nor have any other circ’d boys I’ve seen. You are : : overgeneralizing and going to extremes. For example…are you : : Circumcised? If not, how can you know if it’s painful. If you are, : : do YOU scream when you urinate?
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