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> > > > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their > > > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in > > > a loving home environment.
I believe this is crucial, Andy. Parents will tend to pass on traditions of all kinds – healthy or harmful. It takes a concerted effort to reverse parent-to- child traditions. Kathy and I decided early on that rather than blame our parents for their mistakes, we would consciously set goals to improve on what they taught us. Family naturism is one of those improvements. Honest communication with our children is vital. Compelling our kids to be clothed at all times without reason can be a confusing message (at best), and can be very damaging. Children are naturally curious about the human body. We should never obligate them to satisfy that curiosity in secrecy via sexual experimentation. Seeing others naked – in a safe, non-sexual context – allows children to satisfy their natural curiosity and complete their understanding of the human body. The most secure and controlled environment for this type of learning is in the home. Nudity at home should be a non-issue. > My family does not make a big deal out of nudity. We do not "hide" when > changing clothes, and sometimes bathe either together or in sequence…. > …They see me nurse in bed, it’s all very natural and non sexual (very!) I > hope it will help them to grow up with few hang ups about their bodies.
Self-esteem is so important, Suzanne. Teenage years will be a challenge though. Have you decided how you will handle family nudity when you daughter (and then your sons) reach puberty? In adolescence their bodies are changing more rapidly than they are comfortable with – especially in ways that they don’t feel free to talk about. Self-esteem can take a big hit at this point, and usually does. "Safe" nudity among their peer group is even more crucial at this point – seeing and understanding that others near their age are going through the same changes. This is when social nudity is also the greatest challenge – both for parents and their teenage kids. Even nudist parents often give up (and cover up) at this point – usually because of their own discomfort. But this is a mistake. They are destroying any "body-positive" messages they may have taught their youth up to that point – at a time that their kids need the positive reinforcement more than ever. Kids need to know that their bodies continue to be as beautiful, good, and "clean" as ever. Teenagers will seek that acceptance from their boyfriends and girlfriends if they don’t get it elsewhere. Teenage sex often happens when a girl (or boy) looking for acceptance meets a boy (or girl) who is curious about the female body. If neither of them have experienced being naked- and-platonic, the first time they get naked it’s likely to be anything but platonic. In my teenage years I had an extreme fear of being seen naked – even by other boys. I failed practically all of my PE classes for fear of "suiting up" in front of my peers (let alone showering.) Part of this came from being the only uncircumcised person that I knew of. If I had been naked with enough other people often enough (nude beaches, resorts, swimming holes, etc.), then I would sooner or later have found someone else who was similarly "different", and then I could have relaxed a bit. I believe that teenagers really stand to benefit the most from social nudity – unfortunately most of them are forced to only pursue private nude situations, with all the implications that follow. Nudist youth can see all the nudity they need to in a public situation where there are strict rules of proper conduct. They can focus on their social skills without having to deal with a strong sexual undercurrent. I welcome your thoughts on this. Alan Palmer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their > > > > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in > > > > a loving home environment. >I believe this is crucial, Andy. Parents will tend to pass on traditions of >all kinds – healthy or harmful. It takes a concerted effort to reverse >parent-to- child traditions. Kathy and I decided early on that rather than >blame our parents for their mistakes, we would consciously set goals to >improve on what they taught us. Family naturism is one of those >improvements. >Honest communication with our children is vital. Compelling our kids to be >clothed at all times without reason can be a confusing message (at best), and >can be very damaging. Children are naturally curious about the human body. >We should never obligate them to satisfy that curiosity in secrecy via sexual >experimentation. Seeing others naked – in a safe, non-sexual context – >allows children to satisfy their natural curiosity and complete their >understanding of the human body. The most secure and controlled environment >for this type of learning is in the home. Nudity at home should be a >non-issue. > > My family does not make a big deal out of nudity. We do not "hide" when > > changing clothes, and sometimes bathe either together or in sequence…. > > …They see me nurse in bed, it’s all very natural and non sexual (very!) I > > hope it will help them to grow up with few hang ups about their bodies. >Self-esteem is so important, Suzanne. Teenage years will be a challenge >though. Have you decided how you will handle family nudity when you daughter >(and then your sons) reach puberty? In adolescence their bodies are changing >more rapidly than they are comfortable with – especially in ways that they >don’t feel free to talk about. Self-esteem can take a big hit at this point, >and usually does. "Safe" nudity among their peer group is even more crucial >at this point – seeing and understanding that others near their age are going >through the same changes. >This is when social nudity is also the greatest challenge – both for parents >and their teenage kids. Even nudist parents often give up (and cover up) at >this point – usually because of their own discomfort. But this is a mistake. > They are destroying any "body-positive" messages they may have taught their >youth up to that point – at a time that their kids need the positive >reinforcement more than ever. Kids need to know that their bodies continue >to be as beautiful, good, and "clean" as ever. Teenagers will seek that >acceptance from their boyfriends and girlfriends if they don’t get it >elsewhere. Teenage sex often happens when a girl (or boy) looking for >acceptance meets a boy (or girl) who is curious about the female body. If >neither of them have experienced being naked- and-platonic, the first time >they get naked it’s likely to be anything but platonic. >In my teenage years I had an extreme fear of being seen naked – even by other >boys. I failed practically all of my PE classes for fear of "suiting up" in >front of my peers (let alone showering.) Part of this came from being the >only uncircumcised person that I knew of. If I had been naked with enough >other people often enough (nude beaches, resorts, swimming holes, etc.), then >I would sooner or later have found someone else who was similarly >"different", and then I could have relaxed a bit. I believe that teenagers >really stand to benefit the most from social nudity – unfortunately most of >them are forced to only pursue private nude situations, with all the >implications that follow. Nudist youth can see all the nudity they need to >in a public situation where there are strict rules of proper conduct. They >can focus on their social skills without having to deal with a strong sexual >undercurrent. >I welcome your thoughts on this. >Alan Palmer
I know you’re not asking my opinion but you can’t blame all this on the fact that familes aren’t walking around naked in front of each other . Everyone likes to phsyco-analyze everything to death . Teenagers have sex because they have raging hormones , I think . Just my 2 cents, we are all entitled to our own wrong opnions. Jessica
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> With our oldest son, "naked time" has been a part of his day since he > was about 14 months old or so. It’s right before his bath, and it’s > the during the time that we’re getting the tub ready for him. He seems > to like it alot, as he starts running all over the house singing, > "naked time! naked time!" <g>
How old is he now? This reminds me of two things. First, Cristina Ricci (Adams Family, Ice Storm, etc.) mentioned in an interview that she used to hang out nude at home, and her mother used to have to make her get dressed when they went out. It doesn’t sound like she stills does it, although it sounds possible. Second, I just saw Dana Carvey on the Comedy Channel talking about (I think) his kids and their naked time. Biiiiiiiiiiing!!!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > > > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their >> > > > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in >> > > > a loving home environment. >I believe this is crucial, Andy. Parents will tend to pass on traditions of >all kinds – healthy or harmful. It takes a concerted effort to reverse >parent-to- child traditions. Kathy and I decided early on that rather than >blame our parents for their mistakes, we would consciously set goals to >improve on what they taught us. Family naturism is one of those >improvements. >Honest communication with our children is vital. Compelling our kids to be >clothed at all times without reason can be a confusing message (at best), and >can be very damaging. Children are naturally curious about the human body. >We should never obligate them to satisfy that curiosity in secrecy via sexual >experimentation. Seeing others naked – in a safe, non-sexual context – >allows children to satisfy their natural curiosity and complete their >understanding of the human body. The most secure and controlled environment >for this type of learning is in the home. Nudity at home should be a >non-issue. >> > My family does not make a big deal out of nudity. We do not "hide" when >> > changing clothes, and sometimes bathe either together or in sequence…. >> > …They see me nurse in bed, it’s all very natural and non sexual (very!) I >> > hope it will help them to grow up with few hang ups about their bodies. >Self-esteem is so important, Suzanne. Teenage years will be a challenge >though. Have you decided how you will handle family nudity when you daughter >(and then your sons) reach puberty? In adolescence their bodies are changing >more rapidly than they are comfortable with – especially in ways that they >don’t feel free to talk about. Self-esteem can take a big hit at this point, >and usually does. "Safe" nudity among their peer group is even more crucial >at this point – seeing and understanding that others near their age are going >through the same changes. >This is when social nudity is also the greatest challenge – both for parents >and their teenage kids. Even nudist parents often give up (and cover up) at >this point – usually because of their own discomfort. But this is a mistake. > They are destroying any "body-positive" messages they may have taught their >youth up to that point – at a time that their kids need the positive >reinforcement more than ever. Kids need to know that their bodies continue >to be as beautiful, good, and "clean" as ever. Teenagers will seek that >acceptance from their boyfriends and girlfriends if they don’t get it >elsewhere. Teenage sex often happens when a girl (or boy) looking for >acceptance meets a boy (or girl) who is curious about the female body. If >neither of them have experienced being naked- and-platonic, the first time >they get naked it’s likely to be anything but platonic. >In my teenage years I had an extreme fear of being seen naked – even by other >boys. I failed practically all of my PE classes for fear of "suiting up" in >front of my peers (let alone showering.) Part of this came from being the >only uncircumcised person that I knew of. If I had been naked with enough >other people often enough (nude beaches, resorts, swimming holes, etc.), then >I would sooner or later have found someone else who was similarly >"different", and then I could have relaxed a bit. I believe that teenagers >really stand to benefit the most from social nudity – unfortunately most of >them are forced to only pursue private nude situations, with all the >implications that follow. Nudist youth can see all the nudity they need to >in a public situation where there are strict rules of proper conduct. They >can focus on their social skills without having to deal with a strong sexual >undercurrent. >I welcome your thoughts on this. >Alan Palmer > I know you’re not asking my opinion but you can’t blame all this on > the fact that familes aren’t walking around naked in front of each > other . Everyone likes to phsyco-analyze everything to death . > Teenagers have sex because they have raging hormones , I think . > Just my 2 cents, we are all entitled to our own wrong opnions. > Jessica
Jess…. I don’t quite agree about the hormones. There is a VERY natural curiosity about the human body at almost any age. This becomes very strong during the teenage years. Partly as we learn who we are by comparison to others. In the "Textiled" environment to be nude with the opposite sex is assumed to be for sex, while in the nudist environment this curiosity can be dealt with without any connection to sex. Just my "wrong" opinion 
Tom
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> Idiot…
Exactly.
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> The most secure and controlled environment > for this type of learning is in the home. Nudity at home should be a > non-issue.
I’ve been interested in this topic for many years. My wife is the type who won’t hesitate to change in the company of our daughters (6 & 12) but won’t generally strip otherwise, but I’ve been a nudist since I was too young to practice it. I basically get up nude every morning, start my coffee and shower, and dress to take the kids to school. If I’m working at home, I work nude and am still nude when the family gets home. If I work outside the home, I may strip immediately if I’ve had a stressful day, or I may not strip until later in the evening. Neither of my daughters has given the slightest flicker of being uncomfortable around me, and with me always putting family first, I would stop if it bothered either of them. Neither clothing nor nudity have ever been advocated by me or my wife, so it’s basically guidance by example. In that context, I don’t have a clear answer why my oldest got very very shy at 8, other than maybe it’s common for kids at that age. And odds are my youngest probably will be the same way. I’ve always wondered when humans as a species naturally felt the need to cover up, and I’ve never felt like any particular explanation was satisfactory, but if kids in a neutral environment prefer hiding themselves it seems hard to blame the environment for making them that way. At nude beaches, the kids tend to disappear at that age also, with some rare exceptions. Even many of the younger teens that have been brought up by very proactively nude parents still have shyness issues, wrapping towels around themselves, sometimes stripping and sometimes not, etc. It’s usually not until the later teens (17 and up), and in the ‘hippy’ culture, that cause the kids to come back out.
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>Okay, folks — do the acronym, check out the username… >it’s a troll!
We’re learning, Cheef. We’re learning. I think (or at least I hope) most of us picked up on that right away. (sigh) Some people just have _way_ too much time on their hands… or, as Mother Henrietta Hickey would say, "An idle mind is the devil’s workshop, and idle hands his tools." (Actually, _my_ mother used to say that, so I’m probably giving MHH way too much credit. Yours In Christ (Yes, IN CHRIST… all pacts with the devil having been cancelled!), Terry — Body by Fisher — brains by Mattel
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; Public or semipublic nudity is an abomination before the Lord. ;No one who cavorts around deliberately exposing his or her naked body to ;others is a Christian and need not pretend to be. Such persons have ;entered into pacts with the devil, sometimes unwittingly, and are trying ;to spread sexual licentiousness everywhere they go. You call this tripe "advice"? Nudity is natural. Your own book of mythology says we’re brought into the world naked. Guess your god creates abominations ever 30 seconds or so, huh? Idiot… Mise le meas, | Darryl L. Pierce Alt.Atheism Member #1142, Death ‘Piper of the BAAWA | | Visit me @ http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/1335/ | | Unsolicited email to this address is acceptance of a $500 per day | | storage expense to be paid within 30 days of the sending of the email. |
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> Public or semipublic nudity is an abomination before the Lord. > No one who cavorts around deliberately exposing his or her naked body to > others is a Christian and need not pretend to be.
God made Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden naked. That was the best way He thought they should be. You do not know what God thinks. You are ridiculous. >Such persons have > entered into pacts with the devil, sometimes unwittingly, and are trying > to spread sexual licentiousness everywhere they go. > Children must be taught to be ashamed of their bodies
Would God teach his child to be ashamed of what He has created? This is ridiculous. Shame is a human condition, God wants people to love one another, follow his commandments, and build his church. You are so full of it! Suzy
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> With our oldest son, "naked time" has been a part of his day since he > was about 14 months old or so. It’s right before his bath, and it’s > the during the time that we’re getting the tub ready for him. He seems > to like it alot, as he starts running all over the house singing, > "naked time! naked time!" <g>
How cute! Suzy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well first of all , Ignore Mother Hickey . > I am not ashamed of my body but I am modest . I am glad my parents > were too . I was never brought to believe being naked is shameful or > dirty. But exposing yourself in front of others, besides a doctor,your > spouse, or by myself was discouraged . My sister and I knew what male > genatalia ( sp ? ) looked like but we had no desire to see our dad > walking around like that. I would do my hair while mom was in the > shower , dad would walk around in his underware , but exposing " it > all " to each other, well , it wasn’t done. We were taught modesty , > what was meant to be private , I think that’s different from being > taught shame . > People who have extreme views on things like to use alot descriptive > words about people they don’t know . Families who aren’t walking > around in the buff aren’t " shameful " people . Just normal I think . > To each their own I guess. I bet your heating bills are something in > the winter ! ; – ) Jessica
Ha! That’s why we live in southern California! LOL!! Suzy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well first of all , Ignore Mother Hickey . > I am not ashamed of my body but I am modest . I am glad my parents > were too . I was never brought to believe being naked is shameful or > dirty. But exposing yourself in front of others, besides a doctor,your > spouse, or by myself was discouraged . > This sounds somewhat contradictory. > My sister and I knew what male > genatalia ( sp ? ) looked like but we had no desire to see our dad > walking around like that. I would do my hair while mom was in the > shower , dad would walk around in his underware , but exposing " it > all " to each other, well , it wasn’t done. We were taught modesty , > what was meant to be private , I think that’s different from being > taught shame . > I don’t see it as really much different. If "exposing" (a pejorative > term for being without clothes) is not to be done, that implies you were > taught to feel there was something wrong with it. If it is not > shameful, then what is wrong? > Modesty and privacy are, properly speaking, states of mind. > People who have extreme views on things like to use alot descriptive > words about people they don’t know . Families who aren’t walking > around in the buff aren’t " shameful " people . Just normal I think . > I think being able to go about one’s own home without the emotional > compulsion to cover some part of one’s body is normal. > To each their own I guess. I bet your heating bills are something in > the winter ! ; – ) Jessica > We naturists are not exactly anti-clothing! > Jeff
Perhaps she was using the term "exposing" to denote the sexual nudity of private parts on purpose to generate a rise out of someone. Suzy
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>The First Universal Christian Kingdom
Okay, folks — do the acronym, check out the username… it’s a troll! —– CHEEF.COM http://cheef.com your CHEEF source of nudist info Canada by province & USA by state, focus on DE,GA,MD,NC,NJ,NY,PA,SC,VA,WV
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> Well first of all , Ignore Mother Hickey . > I am not ashamed of my body but I am modest . I am glad my parents > were too . I was never brought to believe being naked is shameful or > dirty. But exposing yourself in front of others, besides a doctor,your > spouse, or by myself was discouraged .
This sounds somewhat contradictory. > My sister and I knew what male > genatalia ( sp ? ) looked like but we had no desire to see our dad > walking around like that. I would do my hair while mom was in the > shower , dad would walk around in his underware , but exposing " it > all " to each other, well , it wasn’t done. We were taught modesty , > what was meant to be private , I think that’s different from being > taught shame .
I don’t see it as really much different. If "exposing" (a pejorative term for being without clothes) is not to be done, that implies you were taught to feel there was something wrong with it. If it is not shameful, then what is wrong? Modesty and privacy are, properly speaking, states of mind. > People who have extreme views on things like to use alot descriptive > words about people they don’t know . Families who aren’t walking > around in the buff aren’t " shameful " people . Just normal I think .
I think being able to go about one’s own home without the emotional compulsion to cover some part of one’s body is normal. > To each their own I guess. I bet your heating bills are something in > the winter ! ; – ) Jessica
We naturists are not exactly anti-clothing! Jeff
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Shame on you, "Mother." In the Garden of Eden, it was the Serpent (the Devil, presumably) who taught Adam and Eve to be ashamed of their bodies. God, if you recall, asked why they were hiding themselves from Him. Therefore, being ashamed of one’s body is actually doing Satan’s bidding, when one looks at it from that perspective. Interesting how almost all scripture can be twisted around to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, rather like statistics… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Public or semipublic nudity is an abomination before the Lord. > No one who cavorts around deliberately exposing his or her naked body to > others is a Christian and need not pretend to be. Such persons have > entered into pacts with the devil, sometimes unwittingly, and are trying > to spread sexual licentiousness everywhere they go. > Children must be taught to be ashamed of their bodies and to > cover them up outside the bathroom and bedroom. They must be taught that > their generative organs should as a general rule not be glimpsed by others. > God will smite the nudists with sunvburns and skin cancers for > the sin they bring to the world and show off PROUDLY to impressionable > youngsters. > Thanks for the information aboutr alt.christnet.nudism. I’ll > begin preaching there today. How DARE those flesh-loving pagans call > themselves Christians. God has a super sunlamp for them in hell! > I thought it was too cold in England to run around naked. I > guess some people will brave bad weather to show the world their shame! > Mother Henrietta Hickey > The First Universal Christian Kingdom > Dallas, Texas, USA
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;Do you and your spouse go naked in the presence of your children? Are your ;children ever allowed to play without clothing? At what age did you teach ;your children body-shame? Did it noticeably affect their personality ;(self-esteem, etc.) Is this topic welcome in alt.parenting.solutions? (My ;apologies if this topic makes anyone uncomfortable.) Does anyone object to ;me cross-posting this to alt.christnet.nudism? With our oldest son, "naked time" has been a part of his day since he was about 14 months old or so. It’s right before his bath, and it’s the during the time that we’re getting the tub ready for him. He seems to like it alot, as he starts running all over the house singing, "naked time! naked time!" <g> Mise le meas, | Darryl L. Pierce Alt.Atheism Member #1142, Death ‘Piper of the BAAWA | | Visit me @ http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/1335/ | | Unsolicited email to this address is acceptance of a $500 per day | | storage expense to be paid within 30 days of the sending of the email. |
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Well first of all , Ignore Mother Hickey . I am not ashamed of my body but I am modest . I am glad my parents were too . I was never brought to believe being naked is shameful or dirty. But exposing yourself in front of others, besides a doctor,your spouse, or by myself was discouraged . My sister and I knew what male genatalia ( sp ? ) looked like but we had no desire to see our dad walking around like that. I would do my hair while mom was in the shower , dad would walk around in his underware , but exposing " it all " to each other, well , it wasn’t done. We were taught modesty , what was meant to be private , I think that’s different from being taught shame . People who have extreme views on things like to use alot descriptive words about people they don’t know . Families who aren’t walking around in the buff aren’t " shameful " people . Just normal I think . To each their own I guess. I bet your heating bills are something in the winter ! ; – ) Jessica
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Public or semipublic nudity is an abomination before the Lord. No one who cavorts around deliberately exposing his or her naked body to others is a Christian and need not pretend to be. Such persons have entered into pacts with the devil, sometimes unwittingly, and are trying to spread sexual licentiousness everywhere they go. Children must be taught to be ashamed of their bodies and to cover them up outside the bathroom and bedroom. They must be taught that their generative organs should as a general rule not be glimpsed by others. God will smite the nudists with sunvburns and skin cancers for the sin they bring to the world and show off PROUDLY to impressionable youngsters. Thanks for the information aboutr alt.christnet.nudism. I’ll begin preaching there today. How DARE those flesh-loving pagans call themselves Christians. God has a super sunlamp for them in hell! I thought it was too cold in England to run around naked. I guess some people will brave bad weather to show the world their shame! Mother Henrietta Hickey The First Universal Christian Kingdom Dallas, Texas, USA
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Wow! Excellent post, Andy! I’ve enjoyed (as a lurker) your recent posts on uk.rec.naturist, and I’m glad to see that you have brought up the question in this forum (alt.parenting.solutions). I think naturism is highly relevant to the issue of positive parenting. So what do parents in alt.parenting.solutions think about family nudity? My point of view comes from being part of a nudist family (though a religious, conservative one at that.) I would be interested in hearing the point of view of others. Do you and your spouse go naked in the presence of your children? Are your children ever allowed to play without clothing? At what age did you teach your children body-shame? Did it noticeably affect their personality (self-esteem, etc.) Is this topic welcome in alt.parenting.solutions? (My apologies if this topic makes anyone uncomfortable.) Does anyone object to me cross-posting this to alt.christnet.nudism? Alan Palmer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It is a sad fact of the 20th century that many parents do not allow their > children to see nudity in the home. That is, the nudity of parents and > siblings in a matter of fact situation. They associate nudity with > pro-creative behavior and consider it to be something to be ashamed of. As > a result, children grow up with an obscure notion that their naked body IS > something secret, illicit and to be ashamed of so develop an unhealthy > curiosity in the glamour industry and the opposite sex when reaching puberty. > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in a > loving home environment. This is, anything that pertains to the parts of the > body to which this shame is associated. Being ‘at one’ with ones soul, mind, > and body. Is the way of all religions and can only be achieved by renouncing > our ‘hang ups’ this includes an open approach to non-sexual nudity. For the > sake of society, we as parents, must show our children that our bodies are > nothing to be ashamed of but are to be respected in their natural state. > — Andynude UK
ICQ#4039222 — I do not tolerate a world of exceptions and no rules. A. Palmer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow! > Excellent post, Andy! I’ve enjoyed (as a lurker) your recent posts on > uk.rec.naturist, and I’m glad to see that you have brought up the question in > this forum (alt.parenting.solutions). I think naturism is highly relevant to > the issue of positive parenting. > So what do parents in alt.parenting.solutions think about family nudity? My > point of view comes from being part of a nudist family (though a religious, > conservative one at that.) I would be interested in hearing the point of view > of others. > Do you and your spouse go naked in the presence of your children? Are your > children ever allowed to play without clothing? At what age did you teach > your children body-shame? Did it noticeably affect their personality > (self-esteem, etc.) Is this topic welcome in alt.parenting.solutions? (My > apologies if this topic makes anyone uncomfortable.) Does anyone object to > me cross-posting this to alt.christnet.nudism? > Alan Palmer > > It is a sad fact of the 20th century that many parents do not allow their > > children to see nudity in the home. That is, the nudity of parents and > > siblings in a matter of fact situation. They associate nudity with > > pro-creative behavior and consider it to be something to be ashamed of. As > > a result, children grow up with an obscure notion that their naked body IS > > something secret, illicit and to be ashamed of so develop an unhealthy > > curiosity in the glamour industry and the opposite sex when reaching puberty. > > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their > > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in a > > loving home environment. This is, anything that pertains to the parts of the > > body to which this shame is associated. Being ‘at one’ with ones soul, mind, > > and body. Is the way of all religions and can only be achieved by renouncing > > our ‘hang ups’ this includes an open approach to non-sexual nudity. For the > > sake of society, we as parents, must show our children that our bodies are > > nothing to be ashamed of but are to be respected in their natural state. > > — Andynude UK > ICQ#4039222 > — > I do not tolerate a world of exceptions and no rules. > A. Palmer > My family does not make a big deal out of nudity. We do not "hide" when > changing clothes, and sometimes bathe either together or in sequence (4 > children plus two adults do NOT fit in one tub!). At first I was > hesitant about my husband walking around in all his glory in front of my > daughter, but I examined the roots of my feelings and found them to be > part of society hangups. He is never aroused in front of her (or me for > that matter!! LOL!! That’s another topic entirely!! LOL!!) He acts like > "no big deal" so she never had cause to think anything of it. She is 7 > now, and we all go nakid sometimes, between getting dressed. Our three > sons are 5, 3, & 1 and I bathe them sometimes, it’s no big deal. They > see me nurse in bed, it’s all very natural and non sexual (very!) I hope > it will help them to grow up with few hang ups about their bodies. > America is very weird about nudity compared to some countries, > non-sexually speaking. This is JMHO. > Suzy
Its great to see some positive response from a non-nudist newsgroup, if you have followed the postings on uk.rec.naturist you will have seen that the response from the naturist community is less freindly. I firmly beleive that there are positive benefits to chilldren who are brought up in a naturist environment. To their self image and their acceptence of others.I have yet to hear an argument against naturism apart from ’someone might be offended’ well if that someone could come forward I’d be interested to hear from you. As a final point, the worry of many parents is ‘what about child abusers?’ as a parent I am more concerened at non-naturist venues. At naturist places people have a lot of respect for each other and their envirinment. There is virtually no crime or misbehaviour within naturism. thats not to say that sinister people cant get in but they are more likely to be peeping through binoculars rather than participating. Most abuse is done by someone known to the victim anyway and a naturist child is more likely to tell somone if it were to happen because they do not have the shame about there body that a non-naturist child may have. We keep an eye on them though wherever we are.. — Andynude
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>Do you and your spouse go naked in the presence of your children? <
Any old time. >Are your children ever allowed to play without clothing? <
Any old time. >At what age did you teach your children *body-shame?* <
What on earth is that? What’s to be ashamed of? >Does anyone object to me cross-posting this to alt.christnet.nudism?<
Yeah, that bothers me because such threads get way out of charter and never die. – Ron Low Levity is the dearth of gravity. Brevity is the height of clarity. non-commercial e-mail always welcome Allow 2 days for replies
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here is my take on famly nudity. when my son was a little fellow( up to age 4 or 5 or so) i had no problem with allowing him to bathe with me. At some point however, I began to feel he was too old for that,so stopped it. I never have tried to make him ashamed of his little body or any of its parts, but I have tried to teach him modesty. he is a little modest, but i do see him with no clothes on like when he runs into the dining room to tell me something at bathtime. he has seen me naked on occasaion, but I dont encouraage him to barge in while Im changing or bathing. While there is nothing wrong with the human body, I do think that modesty about showing it is important. Becky ~ My idea of cleaning house is to sweep the room with a glance~
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Wow! > Excellent post, Andy! I’ve enjoyed (as a lurker) your recent posts on > uk.rec.naturist, and I’m glad to see that you have brought up the question in > this forum (alt.parenting.solutions). I think naturism is highly relevant to > the issue of positive parenting. > So what do parents in alt.parenting.solutions think about family nudity? My > point of view comes from being part of a nudist family (though a religious, > conservative one at that.) I would be interested in hearing the point of view > of others. > Do you and your spouse go naked in the presence of your children? Are your > children ever allowed to play without clothing? At what age did you teach > your children body-shame? Did it noticeably affect their personality > (self-esteem, etc.) Is this topic welcome in alt.parenting.solutions? (My > apologies if this topic makes anyone uncomfortable.) Does anyone object to > me cross-posting this to alt.christnet.nudism? > Alan Palmer > It is a sad fact of the 20th century that many parents do not allow their > children to see nudity in the home. That is, the nudity of parents and > siblings in a matter of fact situation. They associate nudity with > pro-creative behavior and consider it to be something to be ashamed of. As > a result, children grow up with an obscure notion that their naked body IS > something secret, illicit and to be ashamed of so develop an unhealthy > curiosity in the glamour industry and the opposite sex when reaching puberty. > Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their > children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in a > loving home environment. This is, anything that pertains to the parts of the > body to which this shame is associated. Being ‘at one’ with ones soul, mind, > and body. Is the way of all religions and can only be achieved by renouncing > our ‘hang ups’ this includes an open approach to non-sexual nudity. For the > sake of society, we as parents, must show our children that our bodies are > nothing to be ashamed of but are to be respected in their natural state. > — Andynude UK > ICQ#4039222 > — > I do not tolerate a world of exceptions and no rules. > A. Palmer
My family does not make a big deal out of nudity. We do not "hide" when changing clothes, and sometimes bathe either together or in sequence (4 children plus two adults do NOT fit in one tub!). At first I was hesitant about my husband walking around in all his glory in front of my daughter, but I examined the roots of my feelings and found them to be part of society hangups. He is never aroused in front of her (or me for that matter!! LOL!! That’s another topic entirely!! LOL!!) He acts like "no big deal" so she never had cause to think anything of it. She is 7 now, and we all go nakid sometimes, between getting dressed. Our three sons are 5, 3, & 1 and I bathe them sometimes, it’s no big deal. They see me nurse in bed, it’s all very natural and non sexual (very!) I hope it will help them to grow up with few hang ups about their bodies. America is very weird about nudity compared to some countries, non-sexually speaking. This is JMHO. Suzy
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It is a sad fact of the 20th century that many parents do not allow their children to see nudity in the home. That is, the nudity of parents and siblings in a matter of fact situation. They associate nudity with pro-creative behaviour and consider it to be something to be ashamed of.
As a result, children grow up with an obscure notion that their naked body IS something secret, illicit and to be ashamed of so develop an unhealthy curiosity in the glamour industry and the opposite sex when reaching puberty. Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in a loving home environment. This is, anything that pertains to the parts of the body to which this shame is associated.
Being ‘at one’ with ones soul, mind, and body. Is the way of all religions and can only be achieved by renouncing our ‘hang ups’ this includes an open approach to non-sexual nudity.
For the sake of society, we as parents, must show our children that our bodies are nothing to be ashamed of but are to be respected in their natural state.
— Andynude UK
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Really? I was sure that most parents do simple things like change clothes in front of their children, or take showers/baths with their young child. I somewhat agree with you, however, I don’t think I prioritize it as highly as you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >It is a sad fact of the 20th century that many parents do not allow their >children to see nudity in the home. That is, the nudity of parents and >siblings in a matter of fact situation. They associate nudity with >pro-creative behaviour and consider it to be something to be ashamed of.As >a result, children grow up with an obscure notion that their naked body IS >something secret, illicit and to be ashamed of so develop an unhealthy >curiosity in the glamour industry and the opposite sex when reaching puberty. >Parents often transfer their own shame and guilt of nudity to their >children, and are unable to discuss matters which should be discussed in a >loving home environment. This is, anything that pertains to the parts of the >body to which this shame is associated.Being ‘at one’ with ones soul, mind, >and body. Is the way of all religions and can only be achieved by renouncing >our ‘hang ups’ this includes an open approach to non-sexual nudity.For the >sake of society, we as parents, must show our children that our bodies are >nothing to be ashamed of but are to be respected in their natural state. >– Andynude UK
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I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t want to be surrounded by naked men and women all the time. What should I expect from the typical beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there beaches *without* nudity?
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} } }I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t }want to be surrounded by naked men and women all }the time. What should I expect from the typical }beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there }beaches *without* nudity? }
Not to worry. Except for a few select resorts, you won’t be encountering any nudity on Jamaican beaches.
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>} >} >}I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t >}want to be surrounded by naked men and women all >}the time. What should I expect from the typical >}beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there >}beaches *without* nudity? >} > Not to worry. Except for a few select > resorts, you won’t be encountering any > nudity on Jamaican beaches.
negril tends to have more nudity then anywhere else…as do small isolated beach area…several resorts do have "clothes optional beach areas"….on the flip side my wife and i go to jamaica for the freedom of being nude when desired. /| / | / __| all i ask // right direction and give me a lil push~~
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You will not have a problem, even if you are at a resort that has a nude beach, they also have a regular beach away from the nude beach. Many of the resort do not even have a nude beach, so enjoy your trip to Jamaica. Eric Hill > I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t > want to be surrounded by naked men and women all > the time. What should I expect from the typical > beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there > beaches *without* nudity?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – }>} }>} }>}I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t }>}want to be surrounded by naked men and women all }>}the time. What should I expect from the typical }>}beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there }>}beaches *without* nudity? }>} }> }> }> Not to worry. Except for a few select }> resorts, you won’t be encountering any }> nudity on Jamaican beaches. } }negril tends to have more nudity then anywhere else…as do small isolated }beach area…several resorts do have "clothes optional beach areas"….on the }flip side my wife and i go to jamaica for the freedom of being nude when }desired.
I personally cannot see the objection of the woman above to being "surrounded by naked men and women all the time". Obviously she has not tried it, but to each their own. As a caveat, perhaps she should be reminded that while nude beaches are rare, toplessness at Caribbean resorts is pretty common, especially in areas frequented by European guests, who are not so hung up on these matters as many Americans. If she really does not want to be so "exposed", perhaps she should remain stateside….. Mitchell Holman "If God had meant us to spend our days naked, we would have been born that way." Recently spotted bumper sticker.
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> I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t > want to be surrounded by naked men and women all > the time. What should I expect from the typical > beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there > beaches *without* nudity?
If you are worried about "completely" naked people, unless you are staying at or visiting a resort that is clothing optional, you will probably only see an occasional topless sunbather. In Negril, places like Firefly and Hedonism are clothing optional resorts. Several other resorts offer clothing optional beach areas, but you won’t find naked people walking around at the resort. There is also a small island off the coast of Negril called Booby Cay, that has required nude beaches! But don’t worry, there are quiet family oriented resorts like Our Past Time where you will probably feel very comfortable. At http://www.passportjamaica.com/ you can see info about Our Past Time and other resorts in Negril. Don’t forget, part of the fun of going to an exotic foriegn country is experiencing new and exotic things!
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>}>}I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t >}>}want to be surrounded by naked men and women all >}>}the time. What should I expect from the typical >}>}beach scene? (or where should I avoid?) Are there >}>}beaches *without* nudity? > I personally cannot see the objection of the woman > above to being "surrounded by naked men and women > all the time". Obviously she has not tried it, but to each > their own.<snip>
Naked and topless are not synonyms. (Men are usually topless aren’t they?) You can’t say that obviously she has not tried it — maybe she has and did not like it, so that’s why she’s asking. She doesn’t say that she NEVER wants to see nudity, just that she doesn’t want it ALL the time. There are all kinds of reasons that I can imagine why someone would not like to be on a nude beach. Maybe her husband is like Bill C. > If she really does not want to be so "exposed", perhaps > she should remain stateside…..
What a wonderful helpful comment. (not) > Mitchell Holman > "If God had meant us to spend our days naked, we would have been born that way." > Recently spotted bumper sticker.
grandma Rosalie
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Try a nude beach if it is just you and your husband it may ad a new spark in your life.
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There are only a small number of Jamaican resorts and public beaches which see regular nude use. The typical beach scene, and its costumes, will be familiar to you. If you have any concerns, just ask your agent about where you’re going. If you’re concerned about the public beaches, just ask the locals when you arrive. Durand Stieger (When e-mailing me, remove "ns." from my address) – - – - – - – - – - – - – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t > want to be surrounded by naked men and women all > the time. What should I expect from the typical > beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there > beaches *without* nudity?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->}>}I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t >}>}want to be surrounded by naked men and women all >}>}the time. What should I expect from the typical >}>}beach scene? (or where should I avoid?) Are there >}>}beaches *without* nudity? > I personally cannot see the objection of the woman > above to being "surrounded by naked men and women > all the time". Obviously she has not tried it, but to each > their own.<snip>=20 > Naked and topless are not synonyms. (Men are usually topless > aren’t they?) You can’t say that obviously she has not tried it > — maybe she has and did not like it, so that’s why she’s asking. > She doesn’t say that she NEVER wants to see nudity, just that she > doesn’t want it ALL the time. There are all kinds of reasons that > I can imagine why someone would not like to be on a nude beach. > Maybe her husband is like Bill C. > If she really does not want to be so "exposed", perhaps > she should remain stateside….. > What a wonderful helpful comment. (not) > Mitchell Holman > "If God had meant us to spend our days naked, we would have been born = > that way." > Recently spotted bumper sticker. > grandma Rosalie
– Mike Martin Why do all the attractive people with fit bodies seem to avoid nude beaches? Is it because they wold stand out from the croud?
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} } } Why do all the attractive people with fit bodies seem to avoid }nude beaches?
Because they are all inside looking at themselves in the mirror?
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I understand how you feel. We too enjoy Jamaica but don’t think that 50+ year old naked men and women increase or enjoyment of visiting exotic lands. The occational (sp?) topless doesn’t bother us. Not to mention we sometimes like to find a nice quiet and SECLUDED spot to let the sun shine where it is normally shaded. Goto Sandals or Beaches. They are the BEST resorts in the Caribbean (IMO). They are fairly conservative and are not a nudie resort but do allow the occational descrete topless bathing. You will have lots of fun and not want to vomit every five minutes when a woman walks by with titties sagging to her knees with her pickled-dick husband. (don’t flame me on this ya’ll… it’s a JOKE!) Later doooods, G- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’d like to visit Jamaica with my husband.. but don’t >want to be surrounded by naked men and women all >the time. What should I expect from the typical >beach scene? (or where shoudl I avoid?) Are there >beaches *without* nudity?
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A tangential question about nude beaches … given the intense sun in the Caribbean, how do people prevent themselves from being burned to a crisp (and in some really sensitive places!)? I’d think that it would be difficult to cover yourself with sunscreen adequately.
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>A tangential question about nude beaches … given the intense >sun in the Caribbean, how do people prevent themselves from being >burned to a crisp (and in some really sensitive places!)? I’d >think that it would be difficult to cover yourself with sunscreen >adequately.
Tangenital, First thing to do before going to the Caribbean whether for nude bathing or not is to spend some time indoor tanning on a tanning bed in the nude. (3 times a week for 3 weeks before trip on average). This should help condition your skin & sensitive areas that might get exposed to be able to take the higher intensity of the sun there. Limit your actual sun time to 20 minutes the first day then spend your relaxing time in the shade paying close attention to activities you may participate in that pull you back into the sun. Each day you should be able to extend your sun time. For sensitive areas, apply a higher number sunscreen. And remember water will tend to intensify the sun’s rays even more so be careful when you lay on a raft or play water volleybal. Also remember that the intense sun can penetrate clouds. I’ve gotten pretty burned on cloudy days even after I had taken all the other precautions. Best part of all about nude enjoyment of the Caribbean is not having a wet suit interfereing with your relaxation and enjoyment of the tropical breezes. Tom Fernstrom Eden Bay Homeowners’ Association
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A tangential question about nude beaches … given the intense >sun in the Caribbean, how do people prevent themselves from being >burned to a crisp (and in some really sensitive places!)? I’d >think that it would be difficult to cover yourself with sunscreen >adequately. > Tangenital, > First thing to do before going to the Caribbean whether for nude bathing or not > is to spend some time indoor tanning on a tanning bed in the nude. (3 times a > week for 3 weeks before trip on average). This should help condition your skin > & sensitive areas that might get exposed to be able to take the higher > intensity of the sun there. > Limit your actual sun time to 20 minutes the first day then spend your relaxing > time in the shade paying close attention to activities you may participate in > that pull you back into the sun. Each day you should be able to extend your > sun time. For sensitive areas, apply a higher number sunscreen. And remember > water will tend to intensify the sun’s rays even more so be careful when you > lay on a raft or play water volleybal. Also remember that the intense sun can > penetrate clouds. I’ve gotten pretty burned on cloudy days even after I had > taken all the other precautions. > Best part of all about nude enjoyment of the Caribbean is not having a wet suit > interfereing with your relaxation and enjoyment of the tropical breezes. > Tom Fernstrom > Eden Bay Homeowners’ Association
I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ? Volpe
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> I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about > public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in > communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why > people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ?
Just one word: FREEDOM — Vadim Kutsyy http://www.stat.lsa.umich.edu/~kutsyy
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> > I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about > public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in > communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why > people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ? > Just one word: FREEDOM
Yes, well I have heard that before but is a pair of swimming trunks or a bikini restrictive of freedom ? Do ones genitalia have to be swinging unclothed for one to feel "free" ? Just a thought. Volpe
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} } }I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about }public nudity that people enjoy so much.
}Why does it have to be done in communities rather than just in private?
Someone once said that a joy shared is a joy multiplied. Besides, people tend to be more open and relaxed in the all-together, and it makes mingling with strangers easier and more enjoyable. I have often wondered why }people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !!
Wearing nothing versus next-to-nothing hardly matters as far as sunburn goes. Just like every other outdoor activity, use common sense and the appropriate levels of sunblock.
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Yes. Be it because you don’t do it at home, or that it hurts noone, or that the other people you meet are so accepting, or the amount of eye contact is amazing, I do suggest you try it — after all, you will not see those people again. Funny aspect is that I never saw an ugly or a fat person until they put their clothes back on (camping with several hundred people in PA). cliff
Do ones genitalia (sexist?) have to be swinging – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> unclothed for one to feel "free" ? Just a thought.
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> > I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about > public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in > communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why > people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ?
Comfort. Fresh air on the skin. And schmaltz, too: a feeling of really being a creature of the planet. Know it sounds stupid, and if you’d said it to me before I tried it, I’d have rolled my eyes, too. But it’s absolutely the most wonderful, relaxing, sensuous (non-sexual) thing I’ve ever done. Try it, then see if you still have the questions. :-) SuzieQ — Better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubts. —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about > > public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in > > communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why > > people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ? > Just one word: FREEDOM > Yes, well I have heard that before but is a pair of swimming trunks or a > bikini restrictive of freedom ? Do ones genitalia have to be swinging > unclothed for one to feel "free" ? Just a thought. > Volpe
Next time you’re on a deserted beach either alone or with your signifi- cant other, give it a try. It takes a while to get over the initial feeling of constantly thinking "I’m naked!" but once you do, I’ll bet you never go back to wearing a suit again. That is, if you’re really open-minded about it, and want to give it a fair shot. I think it’s always best for the first time to be alone or just a spouse to eliminate initial embarassment. There’s nothing like it. Give it a try. And remember, it has nothing to do with sex!
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If you are going to quote someone it’s considered good form to: (1) state the quote accurately. (2) credit the author. "It’s better to be silent and thought a fool than speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about > > > public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in > > > communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why > > > people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ? > > Just one word: FREEDOM > Yes, well I have heard that before but is a pair of swimming trunks or a > bikini restrictive of freedom ? Do ones genitalia have to be swinging > unclothed for one to feel "free" ? Just a thought. > Volpe > Next time you’re on a deserted beach either alone or with your signifi- > cant other, give it a try. It takes a while to get over the initial > feeling of constantly thinking "I’m naked!" but once you do, I’ll bet > you never go back to wearing a suit again. That is, if you’re really > open-minded about it, and want to give it a fair shot. I think it’s > always best for the first time to be alone or just a spouse to eliminate > initial embarassment. There’s nothing like it. Give it a try. And > remember, it has nothing to do with sex!
– Mike Martin Why do attractive fit people avoid nude beaches?
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>I have a question and I do not mean to be flippant. What is it about >public nudity that people enjoy so much. Why does it have to be done in >communities rather than just in private ? I have often wondered why >people are into it. Not to mention sunburn risks !! Any answers ? >Volpe
Michael, People participate Social Nudism for as many different reasons as they participate in any other activity or "ism" if you will. I could not hope to justify to your satisfaction what the appeal of Social Nudism is over regular socializing (textiled) or over solitary nudism. My personal reason for becoming a Social Nudist began when I met my charming wife. Our relationship was always open and caring and she was very much at ease with being naked with me within the confines of our home. A natural extension of this comfort came into play when we took a vacation to Florida in 1982. We wanted to splurge a bit and stay at a Resort type facility. I had heard of Paradise Lakes near Tampa, Florida and knowing what a sun freak my wife was, suggested that we make reservations there so she wouldn’t get any tan lines. This was really a dare on both our parts, so we made our reservations for only a one nite stay (just in case). To make a long story short, we fell in love with the place, stayed an entire week and have returned many times. The people we have met through our visits to Paradise Lakes and the many other nudist locations we have traveled over the ensuing years have been an added bonus. In my honest opinion, nudist friends and aquaintances are a cut above the rest. In fact many of our good non-nudist friends have either "converted" or at least participate in nude activities with us at our home or nearby nudist locations. In fact one couple who were not nudists decided to get married in a "clothing-optional" ceremony that my wife & I volunteered to orchestrate. That was 7 years ago and all the wedding party and the guests talk about this fun occasion all the time. They all participated in some degree of nudity during the reception. I guess the bottom line is "try it, you’ll like it" and if you don’t, then what was the harm of trying? Tom Fernstrom
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> In fact many of our good non-nudist friends have either "converted" or at >least participate in nude activities with us at our home or nearby nudist >locations. In fact one couple who were not nudists decided to get married in a >"clothing-optional" ceremony that my wife & I volunteered to orchestrate. That >was 7 years ago and all the wedding party and the guests talk about this fun >occasion all the time. They all participated in some degree of nudity during >the reception.
Bet it was easy to see who the "best man" was!
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