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>Now, a few years later, I have a reasonably well-adjusted teenager who is >also one helluva good drummer.

Isn’t well adjusted and drummer an oxymoron Bad drummer joke **alert** What did the drummer get on his SAT test. , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Drool. Spammers and flamers and trolls, Oh My!

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*snicker* I’m gonna save that one up, just in case I need it some day. J.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Now, a few years later, I have a reasonably well-adjusted teenager who is >also one helluva good drummer. > Isn’t well adjusted and drummer an oxymoron > Bad drummer joke **alert** > What did the drummer get on his SAT test. > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > , > Drool. > Spammers and flamers and trolls, Oh My!

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>*snicker* >I’m gonna save that one up, just in case I need it some day.

Here’s some more for you. What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend? Homeless Who’s the guy that hangs around with the musicians in the band? The Drummer What’s the difference between a Pizza and a drummer? A Pizza can feed a family of four. What does it mean when drool comes out of both sides of the Drummers mouth? The riser is level. How do you know when a professional drummer is at your door? His hat says Domino’s. What is said to a drummer in a three piece suit? Will the defendant please rise? How do you know when a drummer is knocking at your door? The knocking speeds up. What 6 words are spoken by most professional drummers? Do you want fries with that? Did you hear the one about the Drummer who won a gold medal at a percussion contest? He had it bronzed What do you give to a drummer that has everything? Penicillin What’s the diference between a musician and a mutual fund? The mutual fund eventually matures and earns money Did you hear the one about the guitarist who locked his keys in the car? He had to break the window to get the drummer out. How do you make an drummer’s car more aerodynamic? Take off the pizza sign Spammers and flamers and trolls, Oh My!

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>(we didn’t medicate… got him a set of drums instead). > I assume you live out in the country and he practices in the barn?

He He He… no, we live in a townhouse.  Neighbors on both sides <g>.  We just stuff the snare with old blankets. > (When does his first record come out?)

Sigh… unfortunately, while his grandmother and I hold great hopes for a musical career for him, he has some silly ideas in his head about going to university.  Kids these days… whaddaya do with them? Janet

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>> The child should be seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric > psychiatrist. >YES!!

[A response I often get from women.....  ;)] >My son was diagnosed with ADHD, and began the medication whirlwind.  He, >too, suffered night terrors.  He also had nervous tics and a very short >attention span.  He was always drumming or tapping on everything around him >and didn’t pay attention to his classes. >I finally took him to a pediatric psychiatrist, and it was the best thing I >ever did.  His short attention span was due to depression (I had no idea!) >brought about by my separation from his father eight years earlier.  After a >round of therapy and antidepressants that improved immensely.  The nervous >tics and drumming turned out to be a very mild case of Tourette’s syndrome >(we didn’t medicate… got him a set of drums instead).  

I assume you live out in the country and he practices in the barn? >He requested no >medication for that, and since it is mild and improving, I agreed.  The >night terrors were due to left over memories of a tornado when he was only >two years old.  He had horrible nightmares for a couple of years following >the tornado, but I had no idea he had carried them with him for years >afterward.

Post-traumatic problems are often very persistent. Thrity two years after leaving Vietnam, I still, occasionally, have a bad night. The frequency is dropping with time. >Although it turned out he didn’t have ADHD after all, I think that even if >he did this would have been a good move, as there are so many other things >that could be going on as well.  

A great point. That is why I have always advocated for a compreheisive work-up for every kid who has a problem. First, find out what is really going on, then, choose effective treatment. >A good friend has a son the same age who is >bipolar with Tourette’s & several associated disorders.  He was being >treated for ADHD for years before he was properly diagnosed.  His meds have >been switched accordingly, and he is now doing well.

See above. >Now, a few years later, I have a reasonably well-adjusted teenager who is >also one helluva good drummer.

Turning a ‘liability’ into an asset was a stroke of genius on your part. Congrats! (When does his first record come out?)

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> The child should be seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric > psychiatrist.

YES!! My son was diagnosed with ADHD, and began the medication whirlwind.  He, too, suffered night terrors.  He also had nervous tics and a very short attention span.  He was always drumming or tapping on everything around him and didn’t pay attention to his classes. I finally took him to a pediatric psychiatrist, and it was the best thing I ever did.  His short attention span was due to depression (I had no idea!) brought about by my separation from his father eight years earlier.  After a round of therapy and antidepressants that improved immensely.  The nervous tics and drumming turned out to be a very mild case of Tourette’s syndrome (we didn’t medicate… got him a set of drums instead).  He requested no medication for that, and since it is mild and improving, I agreed.  The night terrors were due to left over memories of a tornado when he was only two years old.  He had horrible nightmares for a couple of years following the tornado, but I had no idea he had carried them with him for years afterward. Although it turned out he didn’t have ADHD after all, I think that even if he did this would have been a good move, as there are so many other things that could be going on as well.  A good friend has a son the same age who is bipolar with Tourette’s & several associated disorders.  He was being treated for ADHD for years before he was properly diagnosed.  His meds have been switched accordingly, and he is now doing well. Now, a few years later, I have a reasonably well-adjusted teenager who is also one helluva good drummer. Janet

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>I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put my >nephew on zyprexa for ADHD

Zyprexa was originally released as the end-all be-all anti-psychotic.  It is a very good drug but, like all other meds, didn’t work for everyone.  That being said, it has relatively few side-effects for that type of drug and it is now being used to treat thing other than psychosis.  As for ADHD, I can’t help you there.  I don’t work with kids but I will say that a kid can have the attention deficit part without the hyperactivity.  The typical ADHD meds work to help the child focus and be less distracted. Sarah L "Friends are those people who know the words to the song in your heart and sing them back to you when you have forgotten the words."  (unattributed)

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Nancy, Thank you for the wonderful reference!  It underscored my concerns, and should also reassure others with concerns similar to those of Diane. You may recall my posts about my three-year-old son who has been diagnosed ADHD and placed on Metadate CD.  The Metadate worked to releive his ADHD symptoms, but left him with insomnia (which is particularly insidious  in an ADHD child whose meds have worn off). His psychiatrist (although not a GP, thank God) placed him on Zxprexa to control his insomnia.  We gave him a few doses, but noticed that it left him very sullen and withdrawn/dopey for the next day.  Then I looked up Zyprexa on the company’s own website, and noted its normal uses (treatment of adult bipolarism, mania, and schizophrenia) and its side-effects.  The doc dismissed our concerns, told us we were silly not to trust him, and said that our son would be a zombie for a few weeks, but it would wear off.  We discontinued the Zyprexa, and are looking for a new doc. Diane, please encourage your sister (in-law?) to stick to her guns.  She and her husband alone are the only ones fully able to determine what is best for their child, and no one in the medical profession should have the power to override that judgment.  Generally speaking, I have found that if it feels right to a parent, then it usually is right.  The converse is also true.  If she does not feel like her GP/HMO are treating her fairly, then she should get a second opinion.  Even if this has to be done at her own cost, while the HMO greivance process is grinding along, the child at stake is far to important and too precious to justify the risk. Rob Hogan —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m posting from ASAD. > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put > my > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > surprised that they chose this drug. > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > yet.) > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > or "lack of clinically significant response."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… _uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty. > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > >  I was just > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > > on vacations. > Two observations: > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > pushing for medication. > Several more observations: > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > else going on that the doctor is treating. > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > teacher is "pushing" for it. > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > this child–something you might be unaware of? > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else

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Patty, that was a very informative and honest post. thank you for sharing. Donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I aggree that its a great drug for BP but this kid is in second grade! >And although his father has recently been dx as BP > Hi Diane, >   My son is also in 2nd grade. He’s 8 years old and is Bipolar and ADHD. > Zyprexa is a mood stabilizer that’s used quite often in children (and adults) > who have bipolar disorder. Jeffrey was on 30 mgs of Zyprexa for 8 months. It > worked beautifully for him, but he gained 20lbs! He’s recently been taken off > of it and put on another drug (Topamax) which won’t cause the weight gain. >   In young children, it’s very difficult to tell the difference between ADHD > and bipolar. His psychiatrist said many parents have described bipolar disorder > as ADHD with a mean streak. That description really says it all. The behaviors > are very similar. And, one way to dx an uncertain case is to give the drugs and > see if they help. If the ADHD drugs made him nastier, there’s a good chance > that ADHD is not his primary dx and his doc is looking for more ‘clues.’  His > doc may be trying Zyprexa in order to zone in on a more precise dx. However, > this dose is so low, I doubt he’ll have any side effects at all. Jeffrey > started at 10mgs.   Also, if one parent has bipolar disorder, there is a one in > four chance that his/her child/ren will also have it. Genetic predisposition > may also be part of the clinical dx in uncertain cases. Since his dad was > recently dx’d, that’s probably provided a very good clue for his doc. >   After all we’ve been thru with Jeffrey and all the psychiatrists we’ve seen, > we’re finally on the right track. But, it took a long time. It does seem to me > like your nephew’s doc is right on track in what he’s doing. Just because you > haven’t seen these behaviors in your nephew doesn’t mean they don’t exist. A > lot of outsiders have not recognized Jeffrey’s problems and find it hard to > believe what he’s been thru. Living with him, on the other hand, tells a whole > different story. >   I belong to two yahoo list serves…one for Parents of Bipolar Children and > one for Parents of ADHD Children. If you’d be interested in writing to either > of these groups for some info and advice, email me and I’ll send you the > addresses. Your nephew and his parents have begun what will probably be a very > long and arduous journey. I wish them all the best and know that most of all, > what they need is your support. Hope this helps : ) >                                             Be well,  Patty > *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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>plan for follow up labs to minitor for >poss. problems with this drug.

  I agree that a child psychiatrist is a must for these issues. They are the ones with the most experience and knowledge of the disorders and the drugs. Though it appears that the GP seems to have a fair amount of knowledge. One of the things we learned is that pdocs like to give kids Zyprexa as opposed to Lithium and Depakote because it does NOT require the frequent labs that the other 2 drugs do. Not many kids are willing to have monthly labs done. Zyprexa has a shorter half-life and far less serious side-effects. Labs are usually necessary about 1-2 times a year. That’s a big ‘bonus’ for us parents who hate to see our kids getting ’stuck’ more often than that.                                             Be well,  Patty *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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>I aggree that its a great drug for BP but this kid is in second grade! >And although his father has recently been dx as BP

Hi Diane,   My son is also in 2nd grade. He’s 8 years old and is Bipolar and ADHD. Zyprexa is a mood stabilizer that’s used quite often in children (and adults) who have bipolar disorder. Jeffrey was on 30 mgs of Zyprexa for 8 months. It worked beautifully for him, but he gained 20lbs! He’s recently been taken off of it and put on another drug (Topamax) which won’t cause the weight gain.   In young children, it’s very difficult to tell the difference between ADHD and bipolar. His psychiatrist said many parents have described bipolar disorder as ADHD with a mean streak. That description really says it all. The behaviors are very similar. And, one way to dx an uncertain case is to give the drugs and see if they help. If the ADHD drugs made him nastier, there’s a good chance that ADHD is not his primary dx and his doc is looking for more ‘clues.’  His doc may be trying Zyprexa in order to zone in on a more precise dx. However, this dose is so low, I doubt he’ll have any side effects at all. Jeffrey started at 10mgs.   Also, if one parent has bipolar disorder, there is a one in four chance that his/her child/ren will also have it. Genetic predisposition may also be part of the clinical dx in uncertain cases. Since his dad was recently dx’d, that’s probably provided a very good clue for his doc.   After all we’ve been thru with Jeffrey and all the psychiatrists we’ve seen, we’re finally on the right track. But, it took a long time. It does seem to me like your nephew’s doc is right on track in what he’s doing. Just because you haven’t seen these behaviors in your nephew doesn’t mean they don’t exist. A lot of outsiders have not recognized Jeffrey’s problems and find it hard to believe what he’s been thru. Living with him, on the other hand, tells a whole different story.   I belong to two yahoo list serves…one for Parents of Bipolar Children and one for Parents of ADHD Children. If you’d be interested in writing to either of these groups for some info and advice, email me and I’ll send you the addresses. Your nephew and his parents have begun what will probably be a very long and arduous journey. I wish them all the best and know that most of all, what they need is your support. Hope this helps : )                                             Be well,  Patty *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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>What GP in his right mind thinks he can do the followup needed to control >ADHD the man/woman should be shot! There are tests they need to do.  For >instance you need an EEG if you are going to take Ritalin in case there are >unnoticed seizures.

Could you post something like a reference to a supporting document for this claim? I looked several times, and MPH is NOT contraindicated in a kid with a controlled seizure disorder. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This child must be taken to the correct Dr.! > My son has very severe ADHD now even as an adult. He shoose to go off the >drugs himself after he turned 18 and left home. He also had very bad night >terrors. We tried Ritalin but as he grew the dosage just didn’t cut it >anymore and we chose Dexadrine because it was time release worked much >better. Please help get this child to the right DR. The schools cannot just >by completeing the blue behaviour profile do this accurately >The first time I filled that out and the school "evaluated" Jacob they said >you have a very severe parenting problem. You need help not this child. I >about beat her silly. Thank god for the therapist who told her she was nuts >and Jacob needed to see a real Physciatrist. >Kathy > Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some > concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is > pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. > The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary > since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.  I found his >night > terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on > vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that >I > had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I >have > forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for > answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with. > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > > I’m posting from ASAD. > > > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor >has > put > > > my > > > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > > > surprised that they chose this drug. > > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > > yet.) > > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > > or "lack of clinically significant response." >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… > _uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract > > I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they >made > him mean and nasty. > > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > > > >  I was just > > > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this > for me. > > > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I > only see him > > > > on vacations. > > Two observations: > > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > > > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > > > pushing for medication. > > Several more observations: > > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > > else going on that the doctor is treating. > > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > > teacher is "pushing" for it. > > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > > this child–something you might be unaware of? > > Nancy > > Unique, like everyone else

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Uh, well 2 years ago, at age 34… So I guess that doesn’t help much…Sorry! — Dan Sowers Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em That I got no cerebellum                     – Joey Ramone website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dan – I aggree that its a great drug for BP but this kid is in second grade! > And although his father has recently been dx as BP, so far they have not dx > the child as anything other than ADHD.  I just have concerns about such a > potent drug at such a young age.  How old were you when you started taking > it if I may ask? > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > Hi, > I was diagnosed ADHD and BiPolar. My psychiatrist prescribed Zyprexa for > me, > but not really to control symptoms of ADHD. Rather, for BiPolar. From my > experience, here’s what the drug does: It evens out highs and lows. And it > does this well. The only reason I was taken off of it was because I gained > so much weight (the drug tends to have this side effect on some people). > In general, Zyprexa made the "highs" less high and correspondingly, the > "lows" less low. For me that meant my days (or weeks or months for that > matter) were no longer the rollercoaster ride of emotions that they used > to > be. Happy and excited, and hyperactive one minute, then so far down in the > dumps the next – with no real explanation or driving reason. Zyprexa > worked > great in controlling this – I did miss the highs a bit, but I got used to > it > because it was so nice to not have to deal with the lows. > So maybe your nephew’s doctor chose it to help stabilize his mood? Just a > thought… > — > Dan > Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em > That I got no cerebellum >                     – Joey Ramone > website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com > > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has > put > > my > > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > > surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD > > > drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just > > hoping > > > maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > > Quite > > > frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see > him > > > on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > pushing > > > for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel > free > to > > > email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! > > > — > > > Cyberhugs, > > > DianeW > > Cross-posted to alt.support.attn-deficit to see if perhaps we can get > some > > answers from them. > > Thanks in advance, asa-d folks if you can shed some light?? > > Uv

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http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/olanzapine_pi.htm Diane, My sister was on this for a while and her doctor took her off it when she got pregnant, specifically because of poss. side effects on the child. This drug has several really mean side issues – IMO there needs to be MUCH more information given to the parents to make an informed decision, and that should include an exact plan for follow up labs to minitor for poss. problems with this drug. Be Well Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some > concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is > pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. > The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary > since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.  I found his night > terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on > vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that I > had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I have > forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for > answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with. > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > I’m posting from ASAD. > > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has > put > > my > > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > > surprised that they chose this drug. > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > yet.) > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > or "lack of clinically significant response." > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… > _uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract > I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made > him mean and nasty. > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > > >  I was just > > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this > for me. > > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I > only see him > > > on vacations. > Two observations: > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > > pushing for medication. > Several more observations: > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > else going on that the doctor is treating. > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > teacher is "pushing" for it. > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > this child–something you might be unaware of? > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else

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What GP in his right mind thinks he can do the followup needed to control ADHD the man/woman should be shot! There are tests they need to do.  For instance you need an EEG if you are going to take Ritalin in case there are unnoticed seizures. This child must be taken to the correct Dr.!  My son has very severe ADHD now even as an adult. He shoose to go off the drugs himself after he turned 18 and left home. He also had very bad night terrors. We tried Ritalin but as he grew the dosage just didn’t cut it anymore and we chose Dexadrine because it was time release worked much better. Please help get this child to the right DR. The schools cannot just by completeing the blue behaviour profile do this accurately The first time I filled that out and the school "evaluated" Jacob they said you have a very severe parenting problem. You need help not this child. I about beat her silly. Thank god for the therapist who told her she was nuts and Jacob needed to see a real Physciatrist. Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some > concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is > pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. > The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary > since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.  I found his night > terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on > vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that I > had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I have > forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for > answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with. > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > I’m posting from ASAD. > > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has > put > > my > > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > > surprised that they chose this drug. > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > yet.) > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > or "lack of clinically significant response."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> _uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract > I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made > him mean and nasty. > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > > >  I was just > > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this > for me. > > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I > only see him > > > on vacations. > Two observations: > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > > pushing for medication. > Several more observations: > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > else going on that the doctor is treating. > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > teacher is "pushing" for it. > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > this child–something you might be unaware of? > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I don’t know a lot about many mental disorders, but…children with >early onset bipolar disorder may experience night terrors. >http://www.bipolarchild.com/articles.html#faq >http://www.bpkids.org/learning/about.htm >I also note that the use of stimulants in children with BP can have >adverse emotional effects (and you’ve mentioned that’s what happened >with your nephew.) >I’m not saying that your nephew has BP disorder, but certainly the >possibility that he has BP or another psychological or emotional >disorder and not ADHD–would be another reason he should be seen be a >very experienced child psychiatrist. >Nancy >Unique, like everyone else

Thanks for posting this. I have bipolar disorder and have been well-stabilized for 5+ years now. It seems to my my symptoms, at least depressive ones, started about 8 years old. Had people been more knowledgeable at that time about depression and bipolar, I suspect I would have been medicated. I think had I been medicated I would have had a much easier time growing up. Aim

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> Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some > concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is > pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. > The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary > since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.

A GP is treating this child’s ADHD–with Zyprexa? Is there any way this boy’s mother can get a second opinion or switch to another doctor–quickly? I know about referral problems, but, IMO, if she cannot get a referral through the HMO, she might want her son to see another doctor even if she has to pay out of pocket. A good child psychiatrist or pediatric neurologist would be my first suggestions. >  I found his night > terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on > vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that I > had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I have > forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for > answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with.

I don’t know a lot about many mental disorders, but…children with early onset bipolar disorder may experience night terrors. http://www.bipolarchild.com/articles.html#faq http://www.bpkids.org/learning/about.htm I also note that the use of stimulants in children with BP can have adverse emotional effects (and you’ve mentioned that’s what happened with your nephew.) I’m not saying that your nephew has BP disorder, but certainly the possibility that he has BP or another psychological or emotional disorder and not ADHD–would be another reason he should be seen be a very experienced child psychiatrist. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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The child should be seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric psychiatrist. If the HMO (Health MANGLING Organization) is reluctant, then contact the state office of insurance and find out if your state was smart enough to pass a law requiring an independent appeal, or outside second opinion. If not, lobby. Go to the American Academy of Pediatrics website and print the diagnostic protocol for ADHD. Also secure a copy of the DSM IV standards. Also, visit www.wrightslaw.com and www.ldonline.org for information WRT advocating for this child in the school system. their advocacy tips are very helpful whereever you go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some >concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is >pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. >The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary >since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.  I found his night >terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on >vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that I >had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I have >forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for >answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with. >– >Cyberhugs, >DianeW > I’m posting from ASAD. > > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has >put > > my > > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > > surprised that they chose this drug. > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > yet.) > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > or "lack of clinically significant response." >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… >_uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract > I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made >him mean and nasty. > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > > >  I was just > > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this >for me. > > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I >only see him > > > on vacations. > Two observations: > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > > pushing for medication. > Several more observations: > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > else going on that the doctor is treating. > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > teacher is "pushing" for it. > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > this child–something you might be unaware of? > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else

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Nancy – The child’s mother is a preschool teacher and does have some concerns about his behavior but wasn’t very eager to medicate.  She is pushing for further testing but has an HMO and is stuck in referral heck. The GP seems to think that further neurological testing is not necessary since the school and the other testing came up with ADHD.  I found his night terrors "terrorizing" enough at the age of 2 when I saw him have them on vacation at my house.  They reminded me more of seizure like activity that I had observed in kids before.    Thank you for your detailed response. I have forwarded it to his mother for her information.  She is looking to me for answers and this is really something I’m not very familiar with. — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m posting from ASAD. > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put > my > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > surprised that they chose this drug. > I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being > used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled > for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar > disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed > medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication > is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use > yet.) > However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study > (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric > diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the > abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be > highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. > That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" > or "lack of clinically significant response."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… _uids=9730076&dopt=Abstract – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom > line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty. > From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next > group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating > antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. > >  I was just > > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > > on vacations. > Two observations: > 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative > during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen > the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. > 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be > easy to miss during an occasional visit. > >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > > pushing for medication. > Several more observations: > 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something > else going on that the doctor is treating. > 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for > medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take > that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels > that way. What is going on in the classroom? > 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree > that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some > impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." > For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is > going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? > 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also > feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a > doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). > It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is > has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to > medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents > do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. > 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a > teacher is "pushing" for it. > Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with > this child–something you might be unaware of? > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else

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Dan – I aggree that its a great drug for BP but this kid is in second grade! And although his father has recently been dx as BP, so far they have not dx the child as anything other than ADHD.  I just have concerns about such a potent drug at such a young age.  How old were you when you started taking it if I may ask? — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I was diagnosed ADHD and BiPolar. My psychiatrist prescribed Zyprexa for me, > but not really to control symptoms of ADHD. Rather, for BiPolar. From my > experience, here’s what the drug does: It evens out highs and lows. And it > does this well. The only reason I was taken off of it was because I gained > so much weight (the drug tends to have this side effect on some people). > In general, Zyprexa made the "highs" less high and correspondingly, the > "lows" less low. For me that meant my days (or weeks or months for that > matter) were no longer the rollercoaster ride of emotions that they used to > be. Happy and excited, and hyperactive one minute, then so far down in the > dumps the next – with no real explanation or driving reason. Zyprexa worked > great in controlling this – I did miss the highs a bit, but I got used to it > because it was so nice to not have to deal with the lows. > So maybe your nephew’s doctor chose it to help stabilize his mood? Just a > thought… > — > Dan > Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em > That I got no cerebellum >                     – Joey Ramone > website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com > > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has > put > my > > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > > surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD > > drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just > hoping > > maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > Quite > > frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see > him > > on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > pushing > > for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel free > to > > email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! > > — > > Cyberhugs, > > DianeW > Cross-posted to alt.support.attn-deficit to see if perhaps we can get some > answers from them. > Thanks in advance, asa-d folks if you can shed some light?? > Uv

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I’m posting from ASAD. > I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put > my > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > surprised that they chose this drug.

I am no expert on pharmacology, but I had never heard of Zyprexa being used to treat ADHD, in adults or children. It certainly isn’t labeled for that use (it is primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), although doctors can legally–and do–sometimes prescribed medications "off label" (such as when recent studies show a medication is effective for a particular use, but the FDA hasn’t approved that use yet.) However, I did check Medline and in 1998 there was a *very* small study (5 children) of hospitalized children with varying psychiatric diagnoses–including ADHD. However, it is not clear to me from the abstract on Medline, if any of the children had ADHD alone. It would be highly unusual for a child to be hospitalized just for ADHD symptoms. That study was discontinued after 6 weeks because of "adverse effects" or "lack of clinically significant response." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM… I have found no other studies of using Zyprexa to treat ADHD. The bottom line is the ADHD is not typically treated with Zyprexa. > They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.

From the posts I’ve read on ADHD, if stimulants don’t work, the next group of medications that doctors seem to try are the stimulating antidepressants. Jumping right to Zyprexa to treat ADHD seems odd to me. >  I was just > hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > on vacations.

Two observations: 1. Children with ADHD thrive on stimulation and being with a relative during vacation time just might be enough of a novel situation to dampen the most noticeable ADHD symptoms. 2. If this boy has the "inattentive" type of ADHD, the symptoms may be easy to miss during an occasional visit. >  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > pushing for medication.

Several more observations: 1. Night terrors aren’t characteristic of ADHD. Maybe there’s something else going on that the doctor is treating. 2. If this is in fact what is happening–the teacher is pushing for medication (and unless a neutral third party has observed that, I’d take that with a grain of salt)–there must be some reason the teacher feels that way. What is going on in the classroom? 3. A diagnosis of ADHD requires that a child have symptoms "to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level" and "some impairment from the symptoms [must be] present in two or more settings." For a child those two setting are usually home and school. So what is going on in this child’s home that would be "maladaptive"? 4. Even if a teacher is "pushing" for medication, the parents must also feel that medication is required and be willing to take their child to a doctor )who is the only party who can prescribe medication). It would be very rare, IMO, for parents who don’t think their child is has a serious problem to take their child to the doctor and agree to medication simply upon the insistence of a pushy teacher. Most parents do not take psychopharmacological medications lightly. 5. No competent doctor is going to prescribe medication simply because a teacher is "pushing" for it. Is is possible that there is something more than mere ADHD going on with this child–something you might be unaware of? Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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Hi, I was diagnosed ADHD and BiPolar. My psychiatrist prescribed Zyprexa for me, but not really to control symptoms of ADHD. Rather, for BiPolar. From my experience, here’s what the drug does: It evens out highs and lows. And it does this well. The only reason I was taken off of it was because I gained so much weight (the drug tends to have this side effect on some people). In general, Zyprexa made the "highs" less high and correspondingly, the "lows" less low. For me that meant my days (or weeks or months for that matter) were no longer the rollercoaster ride of emotions that they used to be. Happy and excited, and hyperactive one minute, then so far down in the dumps the next – with no real explanation or driving reason. Zyprexa worked great in controlling this – I did miss the highs a bit, but I got used to it because it was so nice to not have to deal with the lows. So maybe your nephew’s doctor chose it to help stabilize his mood? Just a thought… — Dan Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em That I got no cerebellum                     – Joey Ramone website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put > my > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD > drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just > hoping > maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > Quite > frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > pushing > for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel free to > email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > Cross-posted to alt.support.attn-deficit to see if perhaps we can get some > answers from them. > Thanks in advance, asa-d folks if you can shed some light?? > Uv

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Thanks Uv- I just subscribed to that newsgroup as well to see what I could find there.  thanks! — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put > my > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD > drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just > hoping > maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. > Quite > frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher > pushing > for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel free to > email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW > Cross-posted to alt.support.attn-deficit to see if perhaps we can get some > answers from them. > Thanks in advance, asa-d folks if you can shed some light?? > Uv

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put my > nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so > surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD > drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just hoping > maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me. Quite > frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him > on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night > terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher pushing > for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel free to > email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW

Cross-posted to alt.support.attn-deficit to see if perhaps we can get some answers from them. Thanks in advance, asa-d folks if you can shed some light?? Uv

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I  know this is very off topic but I just found out that a doctor has put my nephew on zyprexa for ADHD.  It is a low dose – 2.5 mg  but I was so surprised that they chose this drug.  They had tried the typical ADHD drugs – stimulant types and they made him mean and nasty.  I was just hoping maybe someone on this newsgroup could shed some light on this for me.  Quite frankly, I never thought the child showed signs of ADHD but I only see him on vacations.  He does have trouble sleeping though.  He has had night terrors since a baby.  He’s in second grade now and it’s the teacher pushing for medication.  Anybody out there know anything about this?  Feel free to email me….don’t forget to remove the block in my address. Thanks ! — Cyberhugs, DianeW

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