Question:
What’s midal? AJPDLA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > gee can you see a difference between ‘telling elementary school kids that > it is inappropriate to play cops and robbers’ and expelling them? Can you > see a difference between expelling a kid for heroin at school and for > having lemon candy [Colorado springs] or for ecstacy and for midal? Do > you really think your daughter is safer if kids who point fingers as guns > are expelled and will you think so if SHE takes a sudafed at school when > she is a teen or an aspirin for her cramps and is expelled for ‘drugs’?
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> What’s midal? > AJPDLA > gee can you see a difference between ‘telling elementary school kids that > it is inappropriate to play cops and robbers’ and expelling them? Can you > see a difference between expelling a kid for heroin at school and for > having lemon candy [Colorado springs] or for ecstacy and for midal? Do > you really think your daughter is safer if kids who point fingers as guns > are expelled and will you think so if SHE takes a sudafed at school when > she is a teen or an aspirin for her cramps and is expelled for ‘drugs’?
an OTC painkiller for menstrual cramps — girls have been expelled under ZTP for carrying this ‘drug’ to school — the primary active ingredient is tylenol.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I saw that one too. It was not a toy gun. It was a real gun that was > not > > loaded. The story showed that children who had been told from day one > what > > guns were and how dangerous they were went and got a teacher when the > found > > the gun. The ones who had been isolated from guns of all sorts, even > toys, > > picked it up and played with it. It was a classic demonstration of the > > Forbidden Fruit theory. It was pretty scary. > Boy have you got that one wrong. One of the kids who picked up the gun > and shot at other kids was the child of an educator who TRAINS kids > [including her own son] what to do when they find a gun. They found out > that ALL kids will play with a gun they found REGARDLESS of what they had > been taught. Similar studies have shown that kids who have been taught > what to do when approached by a stranger will happily be led out of store > within 30 seconds of being approached. Some of these kids were as old as > 12 — and yet walked right out with the stranger. > And you notice that most of the boys who have blown away their classmates > had been taught safe gun use. > Maybe we saw different news programs? I’m sure it’s been done on all of > them at one time or another. The one I saw was as I stated above. I > distinctly remember that several of the children went and found an adult > when they saw the gun. I want to say it was 20/20. But I’m not sure on > that. I do remember that the children who went and found an adult had been > allowed to play with toy guns. The boy who picked it up, had been > restricted from toy guns all his life. In this one too, the children were > only allowed in the room with the toys and the gun one at a time. > Sharon
I may have seen and read about a different study. But the point is that even kids who have been told about what to do and who have parents who are actually SURE they know what to do, are likely to play with and even fire a gun. You can’t count on kids to be safe by teaching them safety around guns just as you can’t count on them to be safe when approached by strangers. This was kind of a famous demonstration — so if 20-20 is suggesting that teaching is adequate to protect kids, they are reinforcing the wrong idea i.e. reassuring parents that teaching gun safety is adequate.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I saw that one too. It was not a toy gun. It was a real gun that was > not > > loaded. The story showed that children who had been told from day one > what > > guns were and how dangerous they were went and got a teacher when the > found > > the gun. The ones who had been isolated from guns of all sorts, even > toys, > > picked it up and played with it. It was a classic demonstration of the > > Forbidden Fruit theory. It was pretty scary. > Boy have you got that one wrong. One of the kids who picked up the gun > and shot at other kids was the child of an educator who TRAINS kids > [including her own son] what to do when they find a gun. They found out > that ALL kids will play with a gun they found REGARDLESS of what they had > been taught. Similar studies have shown that kids who have been taught > what to do when approached by a stranger will happily be led out of store > within 30 seconds of being approached. Some of these kids were as old as > 12 — and yet walked right out with the stranger. > And you notice that most of the boys who have blown away their classmates > had been taught safe gun use. > Maybe we saw different news programs? I’m sure it’s been done on all of > them at one time or another. The one I saw was as I stated above. I > distinctly remember that several of the children went and found an adult > when they saw the gun. I want to say it was 20/20. But I’m not sure on > that. I do remember that the children who went and found an adult had been > allowed to play with toy guns. The boy who picked it up, had been > restricted from toy guns all his life. In this one too, the children were > only allowed in the room with the toys and the gun one at a time.
I didn’t see any shows on this…but I’ll put in my .02 worth. I am the former owner of an FFL (former because I no longer own the pawnshop..so no reason to keep it.) During that time both my oldest children were very well educated on guns of all sorts, how to handle, break down, load, shoot, clean etc. The three younger kids did not have the access to various weapons my older two did. Basically hunting rifles, shotguns, but none of the semi-auto, or hand gun variety. If there were a gun found…without supervision….I think my oldest would pick it up, then put it up….second oldest would pick it up with glee, and play with it….third would totally freak and run off screaming…fourth would prolly walk by it and not even notice…the fifth would also prolly pick it up and check it out. Same family…same rules about gun safety. My point is that I don’t buy for a second that there is anything you can do to change the curiosity factor. Even with toy guns (which my kids will make out of sticks if they have to) are to not be aimed at any living thing unless they are going to eat it. They are who they are..they ‘know’ what they are and aren’t supposed to do…whether they do or don’t is up to them…and has very little to do with whether I have allowed them exposure to guns or not. In that light…it seems the best we parents can do is a.)decide if our individual children have a low enough curiosity about guns to not learn to pick locks in order to get at them b.)teach them that they are very useful tools, but dangerous when used improperly c.)teach them how to use them properly and d.) make dang sure that if your child ‘will’ pick locks to get at them that they aren’t spending time other places than your home that aren’t prepared for this type of kid. I wrote a paper about gun control etc., in doing so I went to the government records of statistics (I know..I know…statistics.blech!) Bear in mind this was a class on arguement…but the stats were not taken from either pro or anti gun control sites…anyway…this is this is the closing piece of that paper if you are interested. >>> 1348 people were killed in 1997 by unintentional shootings, 43,591 people
were killed in auto accidents that same year. Where are the advertisements and billboards issuing this same plea to not purchase autos? You want logistics, then think about this for a moment. You bring a two and a half pound piece of steel into your home, instruct yourself and your lovely little family on its use and safety. Then you load said lovely little family into your 3500-pound piece of steel sitting in your driveway. A massive piece of steel you actually are legally required to prove mastery of, I might add. Gleefully you send it hurdling down the highway at 60 miles per hour along with a million other 3500-pound pieces of steel also hurdling through space at 60 miles per hour, some even in the opposing direction. What
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