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writes: >We should all stop debating the whys and who-to-blames and just spend some >time saying a prayer the families of all the children involved. >Sharon
ditto JMHO Sam (White Storm Cloud) "Who knows where thoughts come from – they just appear." – Lucas, Empire Records
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >| >|<a lot of good stuff, sfb> >| >|>What does all this mean? That there are three main ways of >|>controlling your kids access to the ‘net: >|> >|>[1] The "piano bench" method. You are sitting next to the kid while >|>he surfs. >|> >|>[2] Categorically deny the kids access to the net altogether. (In a >|>situation where the parents need ‘net access for some reason of thier >|>own.) >|> >|>[3] No net access at all. >|> >|>Forget censorware like "CyberSitter", "NetNanny", etc. Savvy kids >|>already know how to defeat them and spread that knowledge around like >|>the flu. >|> >|> >| >|Exactly. Parents need to know how the internet works and they need to pay >|attention to what their kids are looking at on it. It’s like censoring your >|tv.
Re kids and internet: You can control what your kids see *in your own home*. Other parents may not be so strict, so the kids will just go over to thier "cool friends" home to surf. Did you know that it is possible to have complete web pages *emailed* to you. There are services that will do that; a kid can simply have an unacceptable page emailed to his friend who then writes it out to a diskette or two for later viewing by your kid. Regarding TV: Unless you put an "ignition key" on the TV, that is pretty difficult. In fact, I have been hired by a couple of parents in my neighboorhood to do just that. The TV does not come on unless the parent inserts and turns a key. Ditto changing the channel. I am locally advertising this as a part-time second job. Another parent had me do the same thing except it works by remote control (They keep the tuner part locked away in a closet) >|I was of a mind yesterday that sites offering information on how to make >|pipe/propane/letter bombs should be shut down. After doing a search I realized >|how difficult that would be and you brought up a lot of stuff I never thought >|of.
This is the nature of the internet and is in fact how it was originally concieved and designed. The internet is a cold war creation originally concieved as a un-disruptable means of communication in the event of a nuclear war. The basic idea was (and is) [1] if a site goes down, route around it until you get to your destination [2] maintain more than one copy of information so that if a site goes sown, other copies will survive, [3] if a site goes "rogue" for any reason, go around it, etc. The psychologist Carl Jung came up with the notion (IIRC) of the "collective unconscious" of humanity. With more and more people becoming connected, this is also becoming the "collective consciousness" of humanity as well. |s that leaves the ball in the parents court. Yeppers. Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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> I agree Just like the music and the t.v shows > My Opinion that’s the parents responsibility not The PMRC-U.S.A > Or the C.R.T.C.-Canada
Amen! One of my favorite examples of this is the show "Beast Wars". Or at least that’s what they call it in the States. Here it’s called "Beasties", you know to take the violence out of the title. Oh boy, sure makes sense to me. I mean you take to "Wars" out of the title and next thing you know it’s a peacful as "Little House on the Prarie"! — Paige GO LEAFS!!! proud to be Outlandish "when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he go back to?"
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >|> >|> I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here >|> goes anyway: >| >|Just heard a new one – "We must censor the internet!" >| >|See these kids had their web site and they learned how to make the bombs >|onthe ‘net so abviously if the internet was censored the stuff wouldn’t >|be on there and this never would have happened :-/ >|Yeah…right…
/rant=on/ For all practical intents and purposes, it is impossible to censor the internet. If you shut a site down, what guarantee is there that the information stored on that site isn’t duplicated somewhere else? Once something gets loose on the internet (be it porno, hate literature, bomb-making instructions, or whatever), it becomes effectively public domain. (Let’s ignore copyright, etc.) And it is very easy to pass around diskettes if electronic transmission is compromised for any reason. [1] Consider that site that published the names and addresses of abortionists. The site was shut down towards the end of last year only to resurface a week later on an offshore server. The site owner himself claims that the site is duplicated (mirrored) in several other locations. Even if he is put in jail, he has followers who will carry on in his name. [2] The owners of a porno site who were sent to jail made sure that all the material they were sent to jail for became freely and easily available. These pictures now circulate freely on Usenet. [3] There are many "underground" sites that are not listed on any search engine (for good reason) which teach/contain/provide detailed instructions for such illegal things as: o Breaking into other people’s computers. o Making computer viruses and other cyber-nasties. o Growing and making all kinds of illegal drugs. o Hate and how to act out against the objects of that hate. o How to engage in terrorism. o Breaking and entering / burglary. o Unconventional (and in some cases, almost undetectable) methods of committing murder. o Bomb-making (forget fertiliser and diesel oil, some of the recipies offered are *nasty*). o Kiddy porn and "snuff" porn. o Various and sundry forms of copyright and intellectual property violations. o Just about anything and everything else you might disapprove of. Disclaimer: Don’t ask me where any of these sites are; I don’t know and even if I did, I wouldn’t tell you. The authors/maintainers of such sites take great pains to hide them and no doubt move them around a lot. [4] Material which might be considered illegal in one country may be considered legal in another. Example: Many countries have laws regarding "hate speech" or poitical dissent and crack down hard on persons who post such material on servers in those countries. Solution: Host your web site in a country that is not bothered by "hate speech" or political dissent, such as the USA. OTOH, the USA regards strong cryptographic codes to be a "munition" whose export is rigourously controlled. Solution: Host your crypto site in some other country which does not have that kind of law. The USA also has weird (and sometimes conflicting) laws regarding what constitutes "porn" (stricter than most other countries save perhaps Islamic and predominantly Catholic countries). Solution: Go to Scandinavia or Holland to host your site where the rules on that sort of thing are more relaxed. /rant=off/ What does all this mean? That there are three main ways of controlling your kids access to the ‘net: [1] The "piano bench" method. You are sitting next to the kid while he surfs. [2] Categorically deny the kids access to the net altogether. (In a situation where the parents need ‘net access for some reason of thier own.) [3] No net access at all. Forget censorware like "CyberSitter", "NetNanny", etc. Savvy kids already know how to defeat them and spread that knowledge around like the flu. Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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> News is naturally focused on >it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff.
Another excellent point. Media sells violence. When people are reading about all the violence in America, it’s because that’s all the media really prints. So no, other countries don’t get to see our good sides, and therefore wind up thinking we are all a bunch of violent sadistic MF’s. JMHO Sam (White Storm Cloud) "Who knows where thoughts come from – they just appear." – Lucas, Empire Records
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<a lot of good stuff, sfb> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What does all this mean? That there are three main ways of >controlling your kids access to the ‘net: >[1] The "piano bench" method. You are sitting next to the kid while >he surfs. >[2] Categorically deny the kids access to the net altogether. (In a >situation where the parents need ‘net access for some reason of thier >own.) >[3] No net access at all. >Forget censorware like "CyberSitter", "NetNanny", etc. Savvy kids >already know how to defeat them and spread that knowledge around like >the flu.
Exactly. Parents need to know how the internet works and they need to pay attention to what their kids are looking at on it. It’s like censoring your tv. I was of a mind yesterday that sites offering information on how to make pipe/propane/letter bombs should be shut down. After doing a search I realized how difficult that would be and you brought up a lot of stuff I never thought of. Guess that leaves the ball in the parents court. Kendra *Proud to be Outlandish!* http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 — Visit my pages of SnowGlobes! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/6516/snowglobes.htm
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Guns do kill! So does opportunity! Veronica – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway: > It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. > People are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda > and it is unfair the victims. > The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where > the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all > mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. > There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. > Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there > is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. > Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood > and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other > problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said > it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of > DEATH. > The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more > strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 > ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, > "Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill > people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and > killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can > make a pipe bomb. > American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that > is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, > Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of > ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in > Dunblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) > America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on > it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to > be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. > The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male > teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or > vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. > The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or > excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more > than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. > They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR > problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids > tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. > By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone > with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested. > Kendra > *Proud to be Outlandish!* > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 > — > Visit my pages of SnowGlobes! > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/6516/snowglobes.htm
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> I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway:
Just heard a new one – "We must censor the internet!" See these kids had their web site and they learned how to make the bombs onthe ‘net so abviously if the internet was censored the stuff wouldn’t be on there and this never would have happened :-/ Yeah…right… — Paige GO LEAFS!!! proud to be Outlandish "when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he go back to?"
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I agree Just like the music and the t.v shows My Opinion that’s the parents responsibility not The PMRC-U.S.A Or the C.R.T.C.-Canada
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway: > Just heard a new one – "We must censor the internet!" > See these kids had their web site and they learned how to make the bombs > onthe ‘net so abviously if the internet was censored the stuff wouldn’t > be on there and this never would have happened :-/ > Yeah…right… > — > Paige > GO LEAFS!!! > proud to be Outlandish > "when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he > go back to?"
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt >there >is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their >life. >Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into >adulthood >and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other >problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve >said >it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of >DEATH. >Y’know, I was thinking about this point today and it might have been brought up >in my local paper. In the past when a kid was singled out or snubbed by the >"in" crowd, the only revenge was to be successful and brag about it at your 10 >year reunion. Guns and information on manufacturing explosive from common >ingredients makes it possible for the socially ostracized to extract their >revenge NOW. The fact that the results are deadly doesn’t even seem to occur >to them. >And, for a truly creepy read, try "Apt Pupil" by Stephen King. It’s a novella >in his "Different Seasons" book. There a normal kid in So. Cal becomes >fascinated with Hitler, discovers his neighbor is a former SS officer, and >begins killing bums just for the thrill it brings him. This novella, which was >written in the early ’80’s, I believe, was recently made into a movie and >released just last year. I wonder if there is a coincidence?
I had forgotten about that story and movie…I just got shivers. Kandle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Denise >…guess that’s one movie I’m not going to rent…
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I have to see here and now that Dunblane was a totally different occurance! A convicted paedophile faked his application for a gun – got it and was sick of the mental torture he was getting (well he was a paedophile) that he went into an infants calss room and shooted most of the people in the room!" Then Shot himself. - this man was later said to have been very mentally disturbed and should never have been given a gun license – since this guns are no longer available in the UK – only farmers and some divisions of the police force are allowed them. Antique guns are allowed but I dont think you are allowed cartridges for them. the point is – it only took this one incident to happen for our whjole country to be totally against guns! We got rid of them so should America! Someone said that illegalising guns was just like illegalising drugs – more people are going to get into them and they are easily available – what a load of ole bollox – If the public arent allowed to have guns then you are more than likely halfing your problem! If their are no guns for sale their should be no guns to use! As I said before – any american citizen that is appalled and outraged at this sensless killing should rethink why they own a gun – why do you need one? If you own it just because its your right to own one – wise up! Get rid of guns! It’s the only way you’ll see senseless school killings end! It scares me that citizens of america are scared to take their kids to school – god only knows why they are so different to the schools in the UK! Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >No flames here. I think that was very well put. >– >Paige >GO LEAFS!!! >proud to be Outlandish >"when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he >go back to?" > I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway: > It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. > People are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda > and it is unfair the victims. > The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where > the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all > mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. > There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. > Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there > is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. > Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood > and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other > problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said > it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of > DEATH. > The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more > strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 > ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, > "Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill > people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and > killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can > make a pipe bomb. > American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that > is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, > Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of > ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in > Dunblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) > America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on > it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to > be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. > The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male > teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or > vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. > The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or > excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more > than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. > They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR > problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids > tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. > By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone > with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested.
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>Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt >there >is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their >life. >Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into >adulthood >and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other >problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve >said >it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of >DEATH.
Y’know, I was thinking about this point today and it might have been brought up in my local paper. In the past when a kid was singled out or snubbed by the "in" crowd, the only revenge was to be successful and brag about it at your 10 year reunion. Guns and information on manufacturing explosive from common ingredients makes it possible for the socially ostracized to extract their revenge NOW. The fact that the results are deadly doesn’t even seem to occur to them. And, for a truly creepy read, try "Apt Pupil" by Stephen King. It’s a novella in his "Different Seasons" book. There a normal kid in So. Cal becomes fascinated with Hitler, discovers his neighbor is a former SS officer, and begins killing bums just for the thrill it brings him. This novella, which was written in the early ’80’s, I believe, was recently made into a movie and released just last year. I wonder if there is a coincidence? Denise …guess that’s one movie I’m not going to rent…
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No flames here, not even a hot match head! I agree with you totally. Loretta
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Ditto. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > :I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but > here > :goes anyway: > : > :It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. > 
eople are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal > agenda > :and it is unfair the victims. > : > :The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder > where > :the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all > :mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in > daycare. > :There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. > : > :Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt > there > :is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their > life. > :Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into > adulthood > :and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other > :problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve > said > :it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of > 
EATH. > : > :The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need > more > :strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a > 1/4 > :ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to > hear, > :"Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do > kill > :people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry > and > :killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone > can > :make a pipe bomb. > : > :American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue > that > :is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, > :Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the > name of > :ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened > in > unblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) > :America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally > focused on > :it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens > to > :be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. > : > :The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of > male > :teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit > (or > :vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. > : > :The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone > or > :excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much > more > :than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. > :They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR > :problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. > Kids > :tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. > : > :By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. > Anyone > :with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested. > : > : > :Kendra > :*Proud to be Outlandish!* > :http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 > :– > :Visit my pages of SnowGlobes! > :http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/6516/snowglobes.htm
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>I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here >goes anyway:
I could not have said it any better. You are so right. We should all stop debating the whys and who-to-blames and just spend some time saying a prayer the families of all the children involved. Sharon
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Beautiful! You hit the nail on the head. Georga – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > No flames here. I think that was very well put. > — > Paige > GO LEAFS!!! > proud to be Outlandish > "when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he > go back to?" > I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway: > It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. > People are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda > and it is unfair the victims. > The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where > the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all > mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. > There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. > Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there > is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. > Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood > and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other > problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said > it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of > DEATH. > The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more > strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 > ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, > "Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill > people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and > killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can > make a pipe bomb. > American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that > is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, > Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of > ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in > Dunblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) > America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on > it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to > be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. > The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male > teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or > vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. > The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or > excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more > than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. > They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR > problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids > tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. > By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone > with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested.
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VERY well put =-) Mel (mommy of Nathan Chad) http://www.angelfire.com/nh/FrogiElla/
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No flames here. I think that was very well put. — Paige GO LEAFS!!! proud to be Outlandish "when the guy who invented the drawing board got it wrong, what did he go back to?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here > goes anyway: > It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. > People are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda > and it is unfair the victims. > The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where > the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all > mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. > There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. > Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there > is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. > Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood > and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other > problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said > it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of > DEATH. > The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more > strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 > ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, > "Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill > people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and > killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can > make a pipe bomb. > American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that > is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, > Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of > ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in > Dunblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) > America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on > it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to > be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. > The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male > teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or > vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. > The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or > excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more > than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. > They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR > problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids > tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. > By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone > with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested.
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:I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here :goes anyway: : :It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. eople are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda :and it is unfair the victims. : :The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where :the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all :mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. :There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. : :Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there :is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. :Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood :and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other :problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said :it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of EATH. : :The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more :strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 :ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, :"Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill :people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and :killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can :make a pipe bomb. : :American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that :is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, :Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of :ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in unblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) :America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on :it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to :be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. : :The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male :teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or :vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. : :The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or :excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more :than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. :They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR :problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids :tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. : :By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone :with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested. : : :Kendra :*Proud to be Outlandish!* :http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 :– :Visit my pages of SnowGlobes! :http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/6516/snowglobes.htm
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I debated on posting these thoughts. I’m sure I’ll hear the flames but here goes anyway: It’s making me sick hearing and reading all the personal agendas going on. People are trying to fit what happened in Colorado into their personal agenda and it is unfair the victims. The first one to pop up was SAHM vs WOHM. Yes, it’s natural to wonder where the parents were during all this but it is extremely unfair to blame all mothers who have to work and have children with babysitters and in daycare. There are kids who have problems even with loving, careing, SAH parents. Then it was "They were harrased to the point of breaking". BS. I doubt there is a person alive who hasn’t gone through teasing at some point in their life. Most get over it. Granted there are some cases where it lingers into adulthood and (I know I’ll get flamed for this:) imo, most of those cases have other problems as well or they wouldn’t still be bothered so much by it. I’ve said it more than once and I’ll continue to say it: Teasing isn’t deserving of DEATH. The Gun Control issue is the only one that makes any sense. Yes, we need more strickter gun control laws. I own guns (locked in a safe that weighs a 1/4 ton) and I wish laws were strickter. Many have said they don’t want to hear, "Guns don’t kill people, people kill people", well it’s true. People do kill people. Get rid of all the guns w/the exception of what the police carry and killers will still manage to get their hands on them. After all, anyone can make a pipe bomb. American bashing seems to be the flavor of the day. This is not an issue that is American in origin. It happens everywhere. Hell, grown men (Saddam, Slovodon, anyone remember Momar Gaddafi(sp)) are killing people in the name of ethnic cleansing (well, Saddam is just sadistic all around). It happened in Dunblane, Scottland. (and I have a ribbon for Dunblane on my web site) America is a large country. With a lot of power. News is naturally focused on it and when it is, it is usually only the negative stuff. Sports happens to be a large part of American culture. No country is perfect. Show me one. The most ridiculous agenda was, "It’s the fault of feminists". A lack of male teachers is not to blame. Women are not to blame for crimes men commit (or vise versa). Everyone is responsible for themselves. The victims are not to blame. I don’t understand how anyone can condone or excuse their behavior. Yes, they had problems. Problems that were much more than being teased. They admired Hitler. They killed on Hitlers birthday. They dressed like gangsters. Yes, they had problems. And it was THEIR problems. Not their peers problems. Their peers also had problems. Kids tease and they shouldn’t, but it isn’t deserving of a death sentance. By the end of the day, I’ll have a ribbon for Littleton on my web site. Anyone with a web page is welcome to it, if you’re interested. Kendra *Proud to be Outlandish!* http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 — Visit my pages of SnowGlobes! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/6516/snowglobes.htm
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