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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there! It’s always nice to find someone who shares a non-conformist > view > or two. > I experience the same thing with my kids. My daughter’s behavior, in the > most polite terms, went to he** in a handbasket when she started > kindergarten in public school. Already at age 5 the kids were teasing her > about her hair, and there was a pervert in the class. Not at all like I > remember kindergarten. > I also found that plenty of children exist who do not engage in this sort > of > ridiculousness and there was no reason for me to force my child to be > around > kids who are ill-mannered. Children, being the little sponges that they > are, tend to soak up different behaviors and bring them into the house. > So for now social activities are monitored by me or those parents I know > and > trust. When social situations come up, now I can be there to counsel her > instead of some stranger with unknowable moral values, or someone who > refuses to give guidance, but would rather stuff rules down her throat. > With everything that’s happened, I have been seriously considering the > possibility that schooling does not belong in government hands. Perhaps > certification would as that would set legal standards for the nation, but > not schooling as a practice. > I tend to agree with your last sentiment there. The problem becomes > institution of non-governmental schools. Eventually society would fall back > onto use of them because so many parents would be unable to provide a > reasonable education otherwise. Sigh. > BTW, have you noticed the difference in behavior or homeschooled/never been > in day care kids in a play ground/park situation as compared with those who > attend schools/day care? If only one or two kids in a group is of the > former the casual observer would say the behavior differences are > personality based. But, when you have a group of homeschoolers the > differences are obvious. Absolutely amazing.
I’ve noticed that myself. I grew up being close to a couple of homeschooling families, and the children were so different. They seemed more intelligent, thoughtful, and polite.(and more fun to be around, really) On the playground, they don’t run the smaller children down; they watch out for them. That’s something I’ve noticed that really stands out. I am homeschooling my children and I enjoy it so much. I was scared in the beginning but I’m gaining more confidence in myself as time goes by. Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> -Aula
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there! It’s always nice to find someone who shares a non-conformist view > or two. > I experience the same thing with my kids. My daughter’s behavior, in the > most polite terms, went to he** in a handbasket when she started > kindergarten in public school. Already at age 5 the kids were teasing her > about her hair, and there was a pervert in the class. Not at all like I > remember kindergarten. > I also found that plenty of children exist who do not engage in this sort of > ridiculousness and there was no reason for me to force my child to be around > kids who are ill-mannered. Children, being the little sponges that they > are, tend to soak up different behaviors and bring them into the house. > So for now social activities are monitored by me or those parents I know and > trust. When social situations come up, now I can be there to counsel her > instead of some stranger with unknowable moral values, or someone who > refuses to give guidance, but would rather stuff rules down her throat. > With everything that’s happened, I have been seriously considering the > possibility that schooling does not belong in government hands. Perhaps > certification would as that would set legal standards for the nation, but > not schooling as a practice.
I tend to agree with your last sentiment there. The problem becomes institution of non-governmental schools. Eventually society would fall back onto use of them because so many parents would be unable to provide a reasonable education otherwise. Sigh. BTW, have you noticed the difference in behavior or homeschooled/never been in day care kids in a play ground/park situation as compared with those who attend schools/day care? If only one or two kids in a group is of the former the casual observer would say the behavior differences are personality based. But, when you have a group of homeschoolers the differences are obvious. Absolutely amazing. -Aula
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Hi there! It’s always nice to find someone who shares a non-conformist view or two. I experience the same thing with my kids. My daughter’s behavior, in the most polite terms, went to he** in a handbasket when she started kindergarten in public school. Already at age 5 the kids were teasing her about her hair, and there was a pervert in the class. Not at all like I remember kindergarten. I also found that plenty of children exist who do not engage in this sort of ridiculousness and there was no reason for me to force my child to be around kids who are ill-mannered. Children, being the little sponges that they are, tend to soak up different behaviors and bring them into the house. So for now social activities are monitored by me or those parents I know and trust. When social situations come up, now I can be there to counsel her instead of some stranger with unknowable moral values, or someone who refuses to give guidance, but would rather stuff rules down her throat. With everything that’s happened, I have been seriously considering the possibility that schooling does not belong in government hands. Perhaps certification would as that would set legal standards for the nation, but not schooling as a practice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > From one homeschooling family to another, I know what you’re talking about. > It amazes me, hwoever, that there are vast numbers of people who are putting > kids in pre-school because they believe that their kids will be behind, > academically, when they get to kindergarten if they do not attend pre-k, or > that they just want the kids out of the house so they can have "their" lives > back, or because that’s the next level of day care available in the area, or > because they believe that their kids *can’t* develop social skills if they > don’t attend. Amazing. > You should hear the comments we have gotten about our son before and after > people learn he has never been in day care or public school [he is five]. > The compliments on his social skills and manners come before hand, then > after people find out he is homeschooled they often make comments > questioning how he could possibly "be socialized" without attending school. > Um, right! > >But their kids aren’t going to school, so what’s the point? > There’s not point in school if your child isn’t learning. > > Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids and > they’ll > learn. > I wish traditional school was as simplistic as that. > > Chris
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Thanks for this suggestion. I’m not done yet, but I have been reading the website on it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > If you have several other children I would suggest the Konos book 1. While it is > a religiously based curriculum they do an excellent job of presenting unit > studies with ideas and projects broken down to teach the same unit to multiple > ages. (I just removed the religious aspects of the projects.) I have the book, > and as I am no longer able to homeschool, you are more than welcome to it if you > want to have a looksee, they aren’t cheap so I hate to see it just sit there > collecting dust. Email me if you are interested. > Maureen
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>> What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the >>>kids used >>>> to school. >>>I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning >>>anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily >>>actions. >>Kids do not *need* a curriculum for that.. In fact, in some >>countries, like Germany, children do not have a curriculum >>in preschool at all. Kids play. That is what they are supposed to >>do. The literacy rate in Germany, however, is quite high even >>though kids don’t attend school until they are 7 and their school >>days are shorter in the primary grades, I think >>Dorothy >>There is no sound, no cry in all the world >>that can be heard unless someone listens .. >>source unknown >My SIL teachest kindergarten, and in her eyes the point of preschool is to >teach children the much more basic things they need to know for school: >sharing >listening to teacher >lining up >taking turns >having a schedule >etc. >She says that the children that she gets that have never been to preschool are >sometimes lacking in these areas, and since she has 20 kids or so, it’s tough >to deal with ones that haven’t yet learned to follow the group when walking >down the hall to the library, or the ones who have never learned how to play in >groups. >- Blanche > Yes, but Kindergarten used to be where you learned those things. We > are rushing kids today. They really do NOT need to know how to > line up, how to have a schedule do they? > As for taking turns and playing well in groups a playground or yard > are effective for teaching that. And listening is taught by parents > who read to children and listen to them.
Hear! Hear! I wish more people would recognize that bit of information! -Aula, who cannot believe all the people who have posters about learning everything they ever needed to know in something other than school but have no hint that those posters just might be factual
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the >>kids used >>> to school. >>I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning >>anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily >>actions. >Kids do not *need* a curriculum for that.. In fact, in some >countries, like Germany, children do not have a curriculum >in preschool at all. Kids play. That is what they are supposed to >do. The literacy rate in Germany, however, is quite high even >though kids don’t attend school until they are 7 and their school >days are shorter in the primary grades, I think >Dorothy >There is no sound, no cry in all the world >that can be heard unless someone listens .. >source unknown >My SIL teachest kindergarten, and in her eyes the point of preschool is to >teach children the much more basic things they need to know for school: >sharing >listening to teacher >lining up >taking turns >having a schedule >etc. >She says that the children that she gets that have never been to preschool are >sometimes lacking in these areas, and since she has 20 kids or so, it’s tough >to deal with ones that haven’t yet learned to follow the group when walking >down the hall to the library, or the ones who have never learned how to play in >groups. >- Blanche
Yes, but Kindergarten used to be where you learned those things. We are rushing kids today. They really do NOT need to know how to line up, how to have a schedule do they? As for taking turns and playing well in groups a playground or yard are effective for teaching that. And listening is taught by parents who read to children and listen to them. Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the >kids used >> to school. >I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning >anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily >actions. >Kids do not *need* a curriculum for that.. In fact, in some >countries, like Germany, children do not have a curriculum >in preschool at all. Kids play. That is what they are supposed to >do. The literacy rate in Germany, however, is quite high even >though kids don’t attend school until they are 7 and their school >days are shorter in the primary grades, I think >Dorothy >There is no sound, no cry in all the world >that can be heard unless someone listens .. >source unknown
My SIL teachest kindergarten, and in her eyes the point of preschool is to teach children the much more basic things they need to know for school: sharing listening to teacher lining up taking turns having a schedule etc. She says that the children that she gets that have never been to preschool are sometimes lacking in these areas, and since she has 20 kids or so, it’s tough to deal with ones that haven’t yet learned to follow the group when walking down the hall to the library, or the ones who have never learned how to play in groups. – Blanche
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>> What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the >kids used > to school. >I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning >anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily >actions.
Kids do not *need* a curriculum for that.. In fact, in some countries, like Germany, children do not have a curriculum in preschool at all. Kids play. That is what they are supposed to do. The literacy rate in Germany, however, is quite high even though kids don’t attend school until they are 7 and their school days are shorter in the primary grades, I think Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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>There are some parents who have experienced extensive social interaction at >too early an age to be detrimental to the health of the child and >destructive to the family. Those parents usually home-school their >children.
Can you expand on what you mean here? I don’t see how social interaction in and of itself is harmful.. though if you speak of bullies or things of that nature, certainly that can be harmful especially if it is not dealt with appropriately by adults. Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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Do you just want programs/curriculums? I don’t have those, but I do have ideas. I homeschool and have a 4 and 5 year old (wheee!) We’ve made phonics flashcards (*real* phonics, not those stupid things you find in Walmart that don’t teach a thing about phonics) and other things. A good website is www.learningpage.com . It has lessons in themed units (oceans, reptiles, insects/spiders, and more) And there are time, money, calender,…..sheets. My girls enjoy the sheets and lessons from learningpage.com. And the lessons are really detailed. Take a look at it. It also includes lesson plans for you to use. They are split into pre-K, K, 1, 2, and 3. Marie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. > I am > > >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was > curious if > > >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. > The real primary purpose of pre-school is to get the kids out of the > house, so > that the parents can go back to their lives. > LOL! My kids ARE my life, however. Aren’t they for you? > What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the > kids used > to school. > I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning > anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily > actions.
From one homeschooling family to another, I know what you’re talking about. It amazes me, hwoever, that there are vast numbers of people who are putting kids in pre-school because they believe that their kids will be behind, academically, when they get to kindergarten if they do not attend pre-k, or that they just want the kids out of the house so they can have "their" lives back, or because that’s the next level of day care available in the area, or because they believe that their kids *can’t* develop social skills if they don’t attend. Amazing. You should hear the comments we have gotten about our son before and after people learn he has never been in day care or public school [he is five]. The compliments on his social skills and manners come before hand, then after people find out he is homeschooled they often make comments questioning how he could possibly "be socialized" without attending school. Um, right! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->But their kids aren’t going to school, so what’s the point? > There’s not point in school if your child isn’t learning. > Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids and they’ll > learn. > I wish traditional school was as simplistic as that. > Chris
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. > The real primary purpose of pre-school is to get the kids out of the house, so > that the parents can go back to their lives.
LOL! My kids ARE my life, however. Aren’t they for you? > What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the kids used > to school.
I thought it was to teach them certain fundamentals required for learning anything at all, like how to recognize objects and perform specific bodily actions. >But their kids aren’t going to school, so what’s the point?
There’s not point in school if your child isn’t learning. > Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids and they’ll
learn. I wish traditional school was as simplistic as that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chris
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That is very funny you should mention this. I found that my children tend to learn fastest from children who are a two to 5 years older than them. You are correct in that I’m looking for some sort of curriculum, with gradual increases in difficulty of skills taught.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. > That is because you don’t understand the homeschool process. It’s actually sort > of a misnomer. It is not school at home..it is school outside of the (recent) > traditional structure. The socializing of a human does not come from grouping > children by age, it comes from exposing them to all ranges of the age spectrum. > No where else in this life are our children going to be confined regarding their > ages. To try to socialize them in age defined groupings *only*, denies them the > social skills it takes to work with the myriad of people they will interact with > through the approximated remaining 3/4 of their lives. > I think the op was looking at pre-school stuff in terms of the introduction to > a more formalized curriculum, not the big ‘S’ as that is already a basic > foundational block of the homeschooling process itself. > Maureen
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There are some parents who have experienced extensive social interaction at too early an age to be detrimental to the health of the child and destructive to the family. Those parents usually home-school their children.
>Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. > – Seth Jackson > "The Music Lives On", a Jerry Garcia tribute :
http://www.mp3.com/SethJackson > The music of Loudspeaker :
http://www.mp3.com/loudspeaker > Songwriting & Music Business Info :
http://www.mindspring.com/~hitmeister
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Thanks for the great sites! This will help.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > There is no reason to stick to *home pre-school* programs. Almost > any activity you want to do with your preschooler that is active and > captures his interest will help him learn. > Use music, use movement, and most of all go places with him and read > to him.. Anything you wish to teach at this age can be done as > long as it is fun and your child is interested in the activity. > There are plenty of good preschool websites were activities that > are used in preschools are available and no one cares if you are > using them at home or with a class. > Try these for starters: > http://www.perpetualpreschool.com/ > http://www.preschooleducation.com/ > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4663/ > http://soar.berkeley.edu/recipes/kids/indexall.html > Also for great articles on parenting try: > http://www.zerotothree.org/ > Have fun. > There is no rule, btw, that parents cannot join the > mailrings that are available at teachers.net and > egroups for preschool teachers. > Dorothy > There is no sound, no cry in all the world > that can be heard unless someone listens .. > source unknown
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> What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the kids used > to school. But their kids aren’t going to school, so what’s the point? > Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids and they’ll learn. > Chris
I think that she was just asking for good learning activities for her pre-school aged child. ~Bethany
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. >The real primary purpose of pre-school is to get the kids out of the house, so >that the parents can go back to their lives.
Not at all what I had in mind when my children went to preschool. Social interaction was primary and they went 3 hours a day – first 3 days a week and then 5 days a week. They had few other children to play with in our neighborhood, since we lived on a street where older people were close to retirement and their children were grown. We did a playgroup before preschool with other parents and we also used a babysitting cooperative to provide playmates and allow us to run adult errands on occasion without children in tow. Taking care of yourself is part of being a good parent too. >What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get >the kids used to school. But their kids aren’t going to school, so >what’s the point?
I think the point was that she wanted activities that might help teach them things she wished to teach. If you have actually been in any preschools recently, you might see a lot of creative activities that parents haven’t thought about. Sharing these does not have to be solely among teachers. Parents are teachers too and they can benefit from cooperating with other parents, with teachers and with other creative adults in finding things to do with their children that they might not have thought of on their own. Why should this parent reinvent the wheel? >Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids >and they’ll learn. >Chris
Ah, but teaching the kids is what she was asking about – how and what to use are things that can be found in places other than her own head. Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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> >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program.
The real primary purpose of pre-school is to get the kids out of the house, so that the parents can go back to their lives. What I don’t get about the OP is that pre-school is supposed to get the kids used to school. But their kids aren’t going to school, so what’s the point? Pre-home-school is just more home-school. Just teach the kids and they’ll learn. Chris
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> Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
If you have several other children I would suggest the Konos book 1. While it is a religiously based curriculum they do an excellent job of presenting unit studies with ideas and projects broken down to teach the same unit to multiple ages. (I just removed the religious aspects of the projects.) I have the book, and as I am no longer able to homeschool, you are more than welcome to it if you want to have a looksee, they aren’t cheap so I hate to see it just sit there collecting dust. Email me if you are interested. Maureen
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> >Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? > Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids > experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m > mystified by the concept of a home preschool program.
That is because you don’t understand the homeschool process. It’s actually sort of a misnomer. It is not school at home..it is school outside of the (recent) traditional structure. The socializing of a human does not come from grouping children by age, it comes from exposing them to all ranges of the age spectrum. No where else in this life are our children going to be confined regarding their ages. To try to socialize them in age defined groupings *only*, denies them the social skills it takes to work with the myriad of people they will interact with through the approximated remaining 3/4 of their lives. I think the op was looking at pre-school stuff in terms of the introduction to a more formalized curriculum, not the big ‘S’ as that is already a basic foundational block of the homeschooling process itself. Maureen
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>>Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there? >Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids >experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m >mystified by the concept of a home preschool program.
Different preschools do different things. The best, imho, are play oriented and do provide social interaction, but that is by no means the only focus of a preschool and some are downright academic in nature given our frenzy to make our children perform in this area. Glenn Doman even promotes flash cards for infants, so a homeschooling parent may be doing anything they like in terms of a program.. Kids do learn the skills they need to be successful later in academic things at a very young age. They learn them by playing actively and exploring their environments alone and with adults and with other children Dorothy > - Seth Jackson >"The Music Lives On", a Jerry Garcia tribute : http://www.mp3.com/SethJackson >The music of Loudspeaker : http://www.mp3.com/loudspeaker >Songwriting & Music Business Info : http://www.mindspring.com/~hitmeister
There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
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> Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am > preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if > you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
I don’t know if what we are doing would be the kind of help you are looking for or not….DS is five and will start kindergarten officially next fall, as a homeschooled child. We have been using Hooked on Phonics [$5 at a local garage sale!], which he is really doing well with. He started writing by using sidewalk chalk on our cement driveway. It is apparently much less intimidating than little pieces of paper. We do mainly unschooling stuff aside from that. I have a great math game that he loves that is teaching him simple addition and subtraction [it does more but that is what we have limited ourselves to], and science is all around us. He really thought it was great when we bought the 5 pound lump of dry ice. As to more formal curriculums, the various homeschooling ng’s are very helpful. We also have hooked up with a local homeschooling association and are learning quite a bit from them. You probably have a similar group [or more than one] in your area that you could learn a bunch from. Good luck. -Aula
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>Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
There is no reason to stick to *home pre-school* programs. Almost any activity you want to do with your preschooler that is active and captures his interest will help him learn. Use music, use movement, and most of all go places with him and read to him.. Anything you wish to teach at this age can be done as long as it is fun and your child is interested in the activity. There are plenty of good preschool websites were activities that are used in preschools are available and no one cares if you are using them at home or with a class. Try these for starters: http://www.perpetualpreschool.com/ http://www.preschooleducation.com/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4663/ http://soar.berkeley.edu/recipes/kids/indexall.html Also for great articles on parenting try: http://www.zerotothree.org/ Have fun. There is no rule, btw, that parents cannot join the mailrings that are available at teachers.net and egroups for preschool teachers. Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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>Hello everyone. I have lurked here on and off. I home-school my kids. I am >preparing to start some pre-school activities with my son and was curious if >you knew of any good home pre-school programs out there?
Seems to me that the primary purpose of pre-school is to give kids experience in social interactions with other children. Thus, I’m mystified by the concept of a home preschool program. – Seth Jackson "The Music Lives On", a Jerry Garcia tribute : http://www.mp3.com/SethJackson The music of Loudspeaker : http://www.mp3.com/loudspeaker Songwriting & Music Business Info : http://www.mindspring.com/~hitmeister
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