Pure Parents

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> About the ATM and braille spots: > why aren’t the screens in braille then? > sasha

That gets me too.  It made me think of my recent trip to Disney World. My husband and I were well of the beaten path in Epcot when we ran across a map and legend done in braille.  It was not near anything and made absolutely no sense to have it where it was – even if it was for sighted people, but it would be harder for a blind person to find that map then it would be to find a needle in a haystack. Becky

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving > people the benefit > >of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was > the one called June > >Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard > line, not her. Seems > >to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, > shall we say ‘feeling > >guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one > person couldn’t > >possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! > >Janazon, warrior mom! > Yes its the nail on the head.  Some working mom’s [note > SOME] > just like some sah mom’s are soooo cynical.  Lighten up. > Just remember a little advice from a childcare provider > your little ones > want you,, they miss you and they need you sometimes. > Thats all. > Don’t send em sick/don’t send them with a fever and most > of all > don’t be late.  THEY WANT YOU MOM & DAD. > I chose to put everything on hold.  And I have a > wonderful handsome > husband [who if he didn't make a hefty income would be a > great sah dad] > I have a lucrative business for people that *need* to > work and I am here > for my children.  I guess that opens me up for mud > slinging ? Geez I guess it does. > Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing > salary/ getting ahead. > Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because > kids on average > are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because > we can afford it] > see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty > my child, but me > their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. > [wait here is someone > their mom]. > Gee and I thought this was about good parenting wasn’t > this news group about > advice. ? Nope about cynical vicious women who have such > gulit they need to > harass people who speak the truth.  In my case.. kids > 1st. > Give me break.  I will beat this topic bone dry ladies > love your kids > thats all I say.. call me June Cleaver if it makes you > happy I have > a great life sorry you feel so cynical that you don’t. > Good day everyone.. here’s to the kids ALT:parenting > [what is parenthood]? > I think it is for vicious angry women to  write and > harass people > who make a good choice in life.  Good luck to the new > people > that come here its a tough crowd.  Oh and spell > correctly and dot > your I’s and cross the T’s someone is out to call you a > dolt if you don’t/. > Not to mention other horrible names.. [who are the > children and gosh sakes > here's the scarey part you are someone's parent]. > Kelly, > I find myself agreeing with most your principals, your > choices…I made > the same ones for my children.  It’s your whining and > justifying that > are gnawing at me right now!!! > Sharon

  Hello everyone ! I’m new to this group and I’ve been following these conversations for over a week ! I am a single mother of a three year old boy with ADD. All of you are going on and on about something that was a dead subject long ago. To each his own.Every parent believes that their method of parenting is correct, but that doesn’t mean that someone else is wrong just because their methods are different.Until this came up some really helpful tips came up on subjects worth alot more energy. how about less bickering over nothing and more support . That is why the newsgroup was created , isn’t it?

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tsk tsk tsk Jana – let’s not start again.  No one here should feel guilty about any of the choices they’ve had to make.  We all have one thing in common – we want the very best for our children.  Please don’t start up that old thread again. — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seem’s that I seem to be the target of a killed off topic of sah/work. > I did not bring this up[in the first place] or to rehash a debate I simply stood up for > the rights of our kids and their needs.  I hoped their were more > parents out there who saw my point.  I stood up and responded to someone > else a single parent who felt being there 100% for her child was > what parenting was about. > Instead I got some very angry responses & blamed to quoate’s I did not say > and some personal e-mail calling me a stupid dolt. >   edit>> > kelly hudson BSN MSN but most importantly a MOM >  SAH{mom}= sam 2.13.94 & meagan 4.11.96 > a MONDAY MORNING DAY CARE PROVIDER > Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving people the benefit > of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was the one called June > Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard line, not her. Seems > to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, shall we say ‘feeling > guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one person couldn’t > possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! > Janazon, warrior mom!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > tsk tsk tsk Jana – let’s not start again.  No one here should feel guilty > about any of the choices they’ve had to make.  We all have one thing in > common – we want the very best for our children.  Please don’t start up > that old thread again. > — > > Seem’s that I seem to be the target of a killed off topic of sah/work. > > I did not bring this up[in the first place] or to rehash a debate I > simply stood up for > > the rights of our kids and their needs.  I hoped their were more > > parents out there who saw my point.  I stood up and responded to > someone > > else a single parent who felt being there 100% for her child was > > what parenting was about. > > Instead I got some very angry responses & blamed to quoate’s I did not > say > > and some personal e-mail calling me a stupid dolt. >   edit>> > > kelly hudson BSN MSN but most importantly a MOM > >  SAH{mom}= sam 2.13.94 & meagan 4.11.96 > > a MONDAY MORNING DAY CARE PROVIDER > Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving people the benefit > of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was the one called June > Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard line, not her. Seems > to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, shall we say > ‘feeling > guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one person couldn’t > possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! > Janazon, warrior mom!

THANK YOU !!! sheesh !!!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing salary/ getting ahead. >Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because kids on average >are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because we can afford it] >see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty my child, but me >their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. [wait here is someone >their mom]. >Gee and I thought this was about good parenting wasn’t this news group about >advice. ? Nope about cynical vicious women who have such gulit they need to >harass people who speak the truth.  In my case.. kids 1st. >Give me break.  I will beat this topic bone dry ladies love your kids >thats all I say.. call me June Cleaver if it makes you happy I have >a great life sorry you feel so cynical that you don’t.

 [who are the children and gosh sakes >here's the scarey part you are someone's parent].

Hello June,         It is GREAT to seen someone who speaks the TRUTH!  (…and yes, I have taken my fair share of abuse, too)         I don’t say anything to a mother who HAS to work to put food on the table (make ends meet) …but for all of the others who work because they LOVE their job, or they want (NOT NEED) that Lexus or that luxury home…hey do what you will, but knock off the BULLSHIT about your kids coming first!  Because they AREN’T! (…and I am sure if you asked them what was more important, you might get some eye opening answers…)         I have no quarrel with a woman who works because she wants to…as long as she doesn’t try to follow it up with "…but my kids come first…" YEAH RIGHT.         I also was a full-time nurse who dropped to Weekend Option (…and my husband is with the boys on the weekend…) so that I could actually be a mom for my kids.  In an earlier thread one mother said she ONLY worked 9-5…hmm lets see.  You get up and get the kids ready for the sitter (or school) and drop them off….you run to work…get off work at 5 P and pick them up and get home. It is 5:30 or 6P …fix dinner or eat out and it is 6:30-7:30  Get baths and bed (what, around 9:00) So you have had a grand total of what 2-3 hours with your child…PLEASE!         I’m with you.  The husband and I might be Ward and June…but at least the Beav (or in our case three of them) knows what comes first in our life! W. Makah (…proud to be ANOTHER June….)

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>On a very light note (surprise!) >Kelly’s comments about being the first to see what kids do reminds me of >when my son James was not walking yet.  I was worried that he would walk >for the day care provider before me, and I wouldn’t be the first to see it. > This was when he was 10 months old or so.  The months went by, and by the >time he finally walked (14 months), it didn’t matter to me who he wanted to >show this to first!  Just get up and do it please!!!  (Incidentally, he did >walk at the day care first.)

I am sure your care taker was excited for you as I am for the ones that do a first here!! >Anyway, back to the subject at hand, Kelly and I have called a truce via >email.  I have apologized for attributing a particular post to her that she >didn’t actually write.  She’s really nice!  As I’m sure most of us are. >But we need to remember (myself included) that the written word can be >hurtful to some people. >Thanks Angela for being so nice and supportive with your post.

This topic will never be solved as to whats right or whats wrong. First I preached now I whine.. ahh I shake my head and just laugh at the way people can be so harsh with their "type".  You go the extra mile and say truce and all you get are the people who have the last word with a bitchy tounge.  I finally get the hint. Its nice to hear from the decent people of our society that were brought up with manners.  Here’s to you and keeping this news group open to anything that we want to say about a topic [over and over and over again] and saying it with class obviously all walks of life are among us.. the beauty of flame.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On a very light note (surprise!) >Kelly’s comments about being the first to see what kids do reminds me of >when my son James was not walking yet.  I was worried that he would walk >for the day care provider before me, and I wouldn’t be the first to see it. > This was when he was 10 months old or so.  The months went by, and by the >time he finally walked (14 months), it didn’t matter to me who he wanted to >show this to first!  Just get up and do it please!!!  (Incidentally, he did >walk at the day care first.) >Anyway, back to the subject at hand, Kelly and I have called a truce via >email.  I have apologized for attributing a particular post to her that she >didn’t actually write.  She’s really nice!  As I’m sure most of us are. >But we need to remember (myself included) that the written word can be >hurtful to some people. >(snipped) > I chose to put everything on hold.  And I have a wonderful handsome > husband [who if he didn't make a hefty income would be a great sah dad] > I have a lucrative business for people that *need* to work and I am here > for my children.  I guess that opens me up for mud slinging ? Geez I >guess it does. > Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing salary/ getting >ahead. > Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because kids on average > are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because we can afford it] > see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty my child, but me > their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. [wait here is >someone > their mom].

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On a very light note (surprise!) Kelly’s comments about being the first to see what kids do reminds me of when my son James was not walking yet.  I was worried that he would walk for the day care provider before me, and I wouldn’t be the first to see it.  This was when he was 10 months old or so.  The months went by, and by the time he finally walked (14 months), it didn’t matter to me who he wanted to show this to first!  Just get up and do it please!!!  (Incidentally, he did walk at the day care first.) Anyway, back to the subject at hand, Kelly and I have called a truce via email.  I have apologized for attributing a particular post to her that she didn’t actually write.  She’s really nice!  As I’m sure most of us are. But we need to remember (myself included) that the written word can be hurtful to some people. (snipped) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I chose to put everything on hold.  And I have a wonderful handsome > husband [who if he didn't make a hefty income would be a great sah dad] > I have a lucrative business for people that *need* to work and I am here > for my children.  I guess that opens me up for mud slinging ? Geez I guess it does. > Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing salary/ getting ahead. > Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because kids on average > are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because we can afford it] > see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty my child, but me > their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. [wait here is someone > their mom].

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> That was funny – thanks! > I have posted the funny stuff below.  I hope you enjoy it – Dylan’s Mom

(funny stuff snipped) LOL! Oooh, oooh, I have one– You can’t have everything–where would you put it? sjb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving people the benefit >of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was the one called June >Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard line, not her. Seems >to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, shall we say ‘feeling >guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one person couldn’t >possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! >Janazon, warrior mom! > Yes its the nail on the head.  Some working mom’s [note SOME] > just like some sah mom’s are soooo cynical.  Lighten up. > Just remember a little advice from a childcare provider your little ones > want you,, they miss you and they need you sometimes.  Thats all. > Don’t send em sick/don’t send them with a fever and most of all > don’t be late.  THEY WANT YOU MOM & DAD. > I chose to put everything on hold.  And I have a wonderful handsome > husband [who if he didn't make a hefty income would be a great sah dad] > I have a lucrative business for people that *need* to work and I am here > for my children.  I guess that opens me up for mud slinging ? Geez I guess it does. > Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing salary/ getting ahead. > Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because kids on average > are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because we can afford it] > see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty my child, but me > their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. [wait here is someone > their mom]. > Gee and I thought this was about good parenting wasn’t this news group about > advice. ? Nope about cynical vicious women who have such gulit they need to > harass people who speak the truth.  In my case.. kids 1st. > Give me break.  I will beat this topic bone dry ladies love your kids > thats all I say.. call me June Cleaver if it makes you happy I have > a great life sorry you feel so cynical that you don’t. > Good day everyone.. here’s to the kids ALT:parenting [what is parenthood]? > I think it is for vicious angry women to  write and harass people > who make a good choice in life.  Good luck to the new people > that come here its a tough crowd.  Oh and spell correctly and dot > your I’s and cross the T’s someone is out to call you a dolt if you don’t/. > Not to mention other horrible names.. [who are the children and gosh sakes > here's the scarey part you are someone's parent].

Kelly, I find myself agreeing with most your principals, your choices…I made the same ones for my children.  It’s your whining and justifying that are gnawing at me right now!!! Sharon

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>I find myself agreeing with most your principals, your choices…I made >the same ones for my children.  It’s your whining and justifying that >are gnawing at me right now!!! >Sharon

Sharon a nice lovely friendly mom here at Alt:parenting. don’t read it if it bugs you so much.  Nothing to justify but my point about such catty women.  Meow back at ya there. MOM!

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>Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving people the benefit >of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was the one called June >Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard line, not her. Seems >to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, shall we say ‘feeling >guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one person couldn’t >possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! >Janazon, warrior mom!

Yes its the nail on the head.  Some working mom’s [note SOME] just like some sah mom’s are soooo cynical.  Lighten up. Just remember a little advice from a childcare provider your little ones want you,, they miss you and they need you sometimes.  Thats all. Don’t send em sick/don’t send them with a fever and most of all don’t be late.  THEY WANT YOU MOM & DAD. I chose to put everything on hold.  And I have a wonderful handsome husband [who if he didn't make a hefty income would be a great sah dad] I have a lucrative business for people that *need* to work and I am here for my children.  I guess that opens me up for mud slinging ? Geez I guess it does. Wait my kids are more important to us then my nursing salary/ getting ahead. Hey I can ALWAYS work right?  Why not stay home because kids on average are in school long enough.. why should anyone [because we can afford it] see my kids smile 1st, walk first, wave bye first, potty my child, but me their mom, greet them at the end of a long school day.. [wait here is someone their mom]. Gee and I thought this was about good parenting wasn’t this news group about advice. ? Nope about cynical vicious women who have such gulit they need to harass people who speak the truth.  In my case.. kids 1st. Give me break.  I will beat this topic bone dry ladies love your kids thats all I say.. call me June Cleaver if it makes you happy I have a great life sorry you feel so cynical that you don’t. Good day everyone.. here’s to the kids ALT:parenting [what is parenthood]? I think it is for vicious angry women to  write and harass people who make a good choice in life.  Good luck to the new people that come here its a tough crowd.  Oh and spell correctly and dot your I’s and cross the T’s someone is out to call you a dolt if you don’t/. Not to mention other horrible names.. [who are the children and gosh sakes here's the scarey part you are someone's parent].

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May I ask, what does "PS and MK ng’ers" mean?

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> About the ATM and braille spots: > why aren’t the screens in braille then?

The ones that get me are the drive-through ATMs with the braille spots….. Karin

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> You just can’t stop can you? >Jen >Need I say more there ladies.. perfect example of a lovely

nice friendly lady named Jen!!

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 You just can’t stop can you? Jen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->That was funny – thanks! >It’s good to see that all here do not take life too seriously all of the >time! >Yes it was funny and I haven’t been reading much of your bickers. >Seem’s that I seem to be the target of a killed off topic of sah/work. >I did not bring this up[in the first place] or to rehash a debate I simply stood up for >the rights of our kids and their needs.  I hoped their were more >parents out there who saw my point.  I stood up and responded to someone >else a single parent who felt being there 100% for her child was >what parenting was about. >Instead I got some very angry responses & blamed to quoate’s I did not say >and some personal e-mail calling me a stupid dolt. >This news group was started for support.. not to have overly >opinionated parents out there speak endlessly about things >they feel is right or wrong.  Its sad to see parents be so cynical. >I will apoligize for my long boring posts about my life >as a sah person.  If a new mom or an expecting parent >had a post about this topic would they be lashed at >as much?  That this is a dead topic?  I never ever >in my posts said anyone was right or wrong. >I like to know there is support out there my daughter suffers >immune def. syndrome and also may need tubes.  I have asked >for tons of feedback and have gotten some wonderful >responses from this NG.  I hope that I can continue to offer >support as an exp/ parent or feel the need to come here >if I have another parenting problem. >Sorry to touch on toes about sah/work. >to each his own.. just remember what parenting is about. >So easy to be so *mean* when you are faced with type and not >a face.. just remember that behind that screen is a person & a parent. >kelly hudson BSN MSN but most importantly a MOM > SAH{mom}= sam 2.13.94 & meagan 4.11.96 >a MONDAY MORNING DAY CARE PROVIDER

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> Seem’s that I seem to be the target of a killed off topic of sah/work. > I did not bring this up[in the first place] or to rehash a debate I simply stood up for > the rights of our kids and their needs.  I hoped their were more > parents out there who saw my point.  I stood up and responded to someone > else a single parent who felt being there 100% for her child was > what parenting was about. > Instead I got some very angry responses & blamed to quoate’s I did not say > and some personal e-mail calling me a stupid dolt.

  edit>> > kelly hudson BSN MSN but most importantly a MOM >  SAH{mom}= sam 2.13.94 & meagan 4.11.96 > a MONDAY MORNING DAY CARE PROVIDER

Yes, Kelly was always quite a voice of reason, giving people the benefit of the doubt and respecting choices, etc. Yet she was the one called June Cleaver etc. I’m one of the people who took the hard line, not her. Seems to me people are awfully defensive about this topic, shall we say ‘feeling guilty’. One can only hope. Obviously at least one person couldn’t possibly care less about the kids. O well. Bravo Kelly! Janazon, warrior mom!

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>About the ATM and braille spots: >why aren’t the screens in braille then?

I’ve noticed this. Braille on the DRIVE-THRU ATM… <grinning> W. Makah

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Thanks for the laughs!  I’ve pondered some of those questions myself!  

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>That was funny – thanks! >It’s good to see that all here do not take life too seriously all of the >time! >Yes it was funny and I haven’t been reading much of your bickers.

Seem’s that I seem to be the target of a killed off topic of sah/work. I did not bring this up[in the first place] or to rehash a debate I simply stood up for the rights of our kids and their needs.  I hoped their were more parents out there who saw my point.  I stood up and responded to someone else a single parent who felt being there 100% for her child was what parenting was about. Instead I got some very angry responses & blamed to quoate’s I did not say and some personal e-mail calling me a stupid dolt. This news group was started for support.. not to have overly opinionated parents out there speak endlessly about things they feel is right or wrong.  Its sad to see parents be so cynical. I will apoligize for my long boring posts about my life as a sah person.  If a new mom or an expecting parent had a post about this topic would they be lashed at as much?  That this is a dead topic?  I never ever in my posts said anyone was right or wrong. I like to know there is support out there my daughter suffers immune def. syndrome and also may need tubes.  I have asked for tons of feedback and have gotten some wonderful responses from this NG.  I hope that I can continue to offer support as an exp/ parent or feel the need to come here if I have another parenting problem. Sorry to touch on toes about sah/work. to each his own.. just remember what parenting is about. So easy to be so *mean* when you are faced with type and not a face.. just remember that behind that screen is a person & a parent. kelly hudson BSN MSN but most importantly a MOM  SAH{mom}= sam 2.13.94 & meagan 4.11.96 a MONDAY MORNING DAY CARE PROVIDER

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Dear PS and MK ng’ers:  I have noticed in the last few weeks that we have been a little cranky with each other regarding certain post topics.  So in my attempt to lighten the mood of the two ng’s and contribute a new thread I have posted the funny stuff below.  I hope you enjoy it – Dylan’s Mom If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? Would a fly without wings be called a walk? Can you be a closet claustrophobic? If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, will it make a sound? When it rains, why don’t sheep shrink? If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell her she has the right to remain silent? Why is the word "abbreviation" so long? If a book about failures doesn’t sell, is it a success? Do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift? What do you do when you discover an endangered animal that eats only endangered plants? Do hungry crows have ravenous appetites? Is it possible to be totally partial? What’s another word for thesaurus? When companies ship Styrofoam, what do they pack it in? If it’s tourist season, why can’t we shoot them? Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections? Why is there an expiration date on my sour cream? Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? How do you know when it’s time to tune your bagpipe? Is it true that cannibals don’t eat clowns because they taste funny? When you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one? Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives? What was the best thing before sliced bread? How can they tell that twin lobsters are really twins? What is the speed of dark? Why are there Braille signs on drive-up ATMs? How come you never hear about gruntled employees? ****** 1. If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. 2. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. 3. Experience is something you don’t get until just after you need it. 4. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. 5. He who hesitates is probably right. 6. Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. 7. No one is listening until you make a mistake. 8. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. 9. The colder the x-ray table, the more of your body is required to press on it. 10. The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread. 11. To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. 12. To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. 13. Two wrongs are only the beginning. 14. Work is accomplished by those employees who are still striving to reach their level of incompetence. 15. You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive. (The corollary is: You never learn to pray until your kids learn to drive!) 16. The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. 17. Monday is an awful way to spend one-seventh of your life. 18. The sooner you fall behind, the more time you’ll have to catch up. (Project Management at its best). —

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