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Aww, that’s sweet- your subconscious mind is dredging up memories of a very special ‘Brady Bunch’ episode. Remember when young Bobby Brady suspected he had measles and didn’t want to spread it to his siblings… He spent the night curled up in the dog’s spacious residence… (or was it the one where little Cindy was contemplating running away from home?) Anyhoo, I think spending the night in a luxurious doghouse such as that, with freshly-laid Astroturf and whatnot, would not be *so* bad… ~Bethany
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If convicted, Christian and Jennifer Williams each face > up to five years in jail, Sitler said. > For punishing a 7-yr-old by making her spend a night in > a dog house? > No one knows the circumstances. This might well have been > a quite reasonable punishment. > "We do appreciate the neighbors calling and letting us know > that something was not right," Sitler said, "and that’s > exactly what they should have done." > I prefer neighbors who mind their own businesses. These people > are pretty despicable in my book.
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>No one knows the circumstances. This might well have been >a quite reasonable punishment. > Pray tell, what would be make such punishment for a seven year old > girl, "reasonable"?
Killing the dog? Sorry, couldn’t resist. –Janet Elliot, Hanna, Connor (10/21/96) and ? (EDD 4/15/01)
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> Kitty Genovese would have disagreed with you, if she could have. > She was being stabbed to death. Quite a bit different from > a harmless punishment to a child. > A lot of 7-yr-olds will sleep in the back yard voluntarily > for a night. It’s not a big deal.
The story on the local news was neighbors all over the block heard her screaming to be let in the house. And do pray tell in this day in age of sick perverts and everything else on the streets the logic is leaving a 7 year old child out in yard. Would they have come if someone was attacking her or was she being punished again?
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> > Kitty Genovese would have disagreed with you, if she could have. > She was being stabbed to death. Quite a bit different from > a harmless punishment to a child. > A lot of 7-yr-olds will sleep in the back yard voluntarily > for a night. It’s not a big deal.
Whether the punishment is appropriate is a moot point, in my book. The child was left unsupervised and unprotected for all of the time she spent out there. Highly irresponsible, perhaps criminally so. Five years is a bit extreme, but that is the maximum and not likely unless there are prior offenses to consider. They will have to go through a lengthy process to get their children back, though. Pity. Their error was probably not typical of their parenting and the kids are not going to like the foster system. — Serf tomb nor stone nor grave for me (andy sims) just a bier up in a tree
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> You got the facts. … This child could have been scared …
No, what you have is speculation.
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> > If convicted, Christian and Jennifer Williams each face > up to five years in jail, Sitler said. > For punishing a 7-yr-old by making her spend a night in > a dog house? > No one knows the circumstances. This might well have been > a quite reasonable punishment.
Such dehumanization is NEVER "reasonable"! > "We do appreciate the neighbors calling and letting us know > that something was not right," Sitler said, "and that’s > exactly what they should have done." > I prefer neighbors who mind their own businesses. These people > are pretty despicable in my book.
I prefer THESE neighbors! Steve
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> >Does this mean you will voluntarily allow me to chain you up to my dog >house over night? > The kid was not chained. > To answer your question, no. I am not your child, and you may not > discipline me.
If we catch YOUR cruel squirrely little asshole doing THAT to a child we sure as fuck CAN discipline your butt!! And if we catch you at it we might have you resist citizens arrest a little before the cops get there too! Steve
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I’m not advocating this as rational punishment for any child, but apparently you know more about what happened than anyone here…how is that? For all you know, it was the child’s choice to run out there in the first place, raging at her parents! You are all just speculating on what might have happened. That isn’t factual! You don’t even have the whole story to base any of your statements on. I, on the other hand, will wait for the facts and all the details. — Warmly, Rachel The Natural Essence Co. www.naturalessenceco.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It goes both ways, but I definitely think people should mind their own >business. If you see someone who needs your help, please help them. But if >you are going to go around judging everyone and deciding that you know >what’s best, get off your high horse. > Do you really believe that a 7 year old should be treated as if she > is a dog? >Every situation is different and every person will react to that situation >differently. You can’t just throw it all in one big pile of abuse because >that’s just not always the case. >Did these parents even have the opportunity to explain WHY their 7 year old >daughter was in the dog house? > Give one good reason why this treatment is rational in the case of > *anything* a seven year old child might have done. > We would not allow adult prisoners to be treated this way.. Why > should we allow someone to do this to a child? > Dorothy > There is no sound, no cry in all the world > that can be heard unless someone listens .. > source unknown
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> No robbers or molestors in your town huh?
No. But even if we did, they wouldn’t be looking in backyard doghouses for children. > At 7 if my kids were outside playing in > our yard after dark, we were outside watching them or at least > watching from the window..
And what good is that? Did you have a gun cocked and ready to fire? You sound paranoid to me.
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> happened. That isn’t factual! You don’t even have the whole story to base > any of your statements on.
Busybodies don’t need the facts. > I, on the other hand, will wait for the facts and all the details.
Not me. I’ve heard enough. It’s none of my business, and it should be none of anyone else’s either. Even if all the facts were to convince me that I would have chosen a different punishment, I am still not going to second-guess those parents.
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>>Does this mean you will voluntarily allow me to chain you up to my dog >house over night? >The kid was not chained.
How do you know? Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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>It goes both ways, but I definitely think people should mind their own >business. If you see someone who needs your help, please help them. But if >you are going to go around judging everyone and deciding that you know >what’s best, get off your high horse.
Do you really believe that a 7 year old should be treated as if she is a dog? >Every situation is different and every person will react to that situation >differently. You can’t just throw it all in one big pile of abuse because >that’s just not always the case. >Did these parents even have the opportunity to explain WHY their 7 year old >daughter was in the dog house?
Give one good reason why this treatment is rational in the case of *anything* a seven year old child might have done. We would not allow adult prisoners to be treated this way.. Why should we allow someone to do this to a child? Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The story on the local news was neighbors all over the block heard her > screaming to be let in the house. >Haven’t you ever seen a child throw a tantrum? Sometimes my child >can be heard a block away just because I cut her sandwich the >wrong way. > And do pray tell in this day in age of > sick perverts and everything else on the streets the logic is leaving a 7 > year old child out in yard. Would they have come if someone was attacking > her or was she being punished again? >What if lightning struck the house, and burned it down? >Ridiculous speculation. Most people don’t have sickos in their >back yard.
No robbers or molestors in your town huh? Where do you live that it is so incredibly safe for a child to be out alone after dark even in her own yard. At 7 if my kids were outside playing in our yard after dark, we were outside watching them or at least watching from the window.. and that was in a little safer time than now exists (they are 26 and 29 now). Heck, my dd had someone come up the alley into our yard during the day.. She wasn’t locked outside though so she could run into the house.. Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. source unknown
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Then, would you leave your child out in a doghouse all night as punishment? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Does this mean you will voluntarily allow me to chain you up to my dog >house over night? > The kid was not chained. > To answer your question, no. I am not your child, and you may not > discipline me.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The story on the local news was neighbors all over the block heard her > screaming to be let in the house. > Haven’t you ever seen a child throw a tantrum? Sometimes my child > can be heard a block away just because I cut her sandwich the > wrong way. > And do pray tell in this day in age of > sick perverts and everything else on the streets the logic is leaving a 7 > year old child out in yard. Would they have come if someone was attacking > her or was she being punished again? > What if lightning struck the house, and burned it down? > Ridiculous speculation. Most people don’t have sickos in their > back yard.
Guess again.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Kitty Genovese would have disagreed with you, if she could have. >She was being stabbed to death. Quite a bit different from >a harmless punishment to a child. > I have ants crawling inside the old dog house I have in my back yard, > Mr Schlafly. > Let me chain you up there first, for a relaxing overnight sleep, > before you claim such punishment is harmless. >A lot of 7-yr-olds will sleep in the back yard voluntarily >for a night. It’s not a big deal.
Voluntary is the key word, and I can’t think of any parent I know that would allow their 7-year-old to even voluntarily spend the night outside unsupervised — a 12-year-old maybe, but not 7. There’s too many weirdos out there…too many kids abducted and abused…and if my child were spending the night outside, he would always have the option of coming into the house at any time!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this mean you will voluntarily allow me to chain you up to my dog > house over night?
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>> If convicted, Christian and Jennifer Williams each face > up to five years in jail, Sitler said. >For punishing a 7-yr-old by making her spend a night in >a dog house?
Yes, certainly. Cruel and unusual punishments are even forbidden for our worst criminals.. >No one knows the circumstances. This might well have been >a quite reasonable punishment.
Please give us an example of such a *crime* that a seven year old could have committed that might have warranted this. > "We do appreciate the neighbors calling and letting us know > that something was not right," Sitler said, "and that’s > exactly what they should have done." >I prefer neighbors who mind their own businesses. These people >are pretty despicable in my book.
You see when the community looks the other way, that is exactly how children end up dead or permanently damaged. I suppose that the teacher who rescued Dave Pelzer should have left him alone and not reported what she saw. Try reading A Boy Called It or his newer books about what he went through in foster care and what he is like now.. Or try some of the websites of survivors of various kinds of abuses. http://www.angelfire.com/zine/silencedchild/index.html http://www.vis.colostate.edu/~scriven/Runaway/ http://www.childabuse.com/stats98.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Key Facts on Child Abuse & Neglect >An estimated 3,154,000 children were reported to >child protective service agencies as alleged victims >of child abuse or neglect in 1998, and approximately >one million of these reports were confirmed. >Approximately three children died each day in the >United States from abuse or neglect in 1997. >While the nation
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