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>Glen this post makes me really sad. You know that I have blocked Steve >posts now. For a long time I tried to ignore the abusive ones, and just >take note of the good ones. There were some good posts too. I even tried >to stick up for Steve at times when he was getting flamed. >It is sad that it got to the stage where I could not longer tolerate his >abuse. Have I done the right thing?? Not sure. >Steve I know you will probably read these, you may have replied in anger >already to Glen. You know we only actually wish you well.
I truly wish I could muster up the same feelings. I have blocked steve again because I cannot listen to him any longer. I know he needs help but his insults and threats are not welcome regardless of his "reasons" for them. He crossed a line with me that I don’t believe I will ever forget or let him cross again. I hope he does get help. I have prayed for him. I just can’t be one of the ones to listen to him anymore. Kendra "Fight like a real man, get on your knees and pray!" < ><
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Glen: I have read many many posts from Steve and ignored many too. I’ve never I’d tell Steve that I’ve prayed for him but you know what that’ll do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any > past abuse. > I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at > virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any subject > is only due to seeing abuses of others. > Sorry, but it don’t wash. > See, someone who has not experienced abuse (as you claim is the > case for yourself) or has put their abuse into perspective will > see abuse and usually feel concerned, compassion and want to > help. > Did you notice any anger in that? > No? > Well, that may be because anger usually stems from fear. That > fear is inherent in most abuse. It may be a fear that the abuser > is correct, that the victim is wrong/flawed, somehow. > Maybe you honestly don’t remember your abuse. Maybe it was so > violent that the adrenaline didn’t let you remember it. As > Rosanne said "When asked if you were abused, there are only two > possible answers: ‘Yes’ or ‘I don’t know’.". > Remember it or not, it is clearly still working on you. > That’s too bad, for many reasons. > One is that you *do* have things to offer. All of the anger > keeps getting in the way of being understood and listened to. > Another is that all of those feelings, remembered or not, kill. > Yes, it happens slowly, but it tends to be effective in virtually > every case. If you were to look at all of the people with > stress-related diseases and autoimmune diseases, you would likely > find victims of childhood abuse. > Honestly, Steve, do get help. > Glen (no joke!) Appleby > — > Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. > It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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Steve is WAY over the line and in need of professional attention. His participation in the newsgroup just fuels his problems. I wish him well…..and wellness. But he needs to resign from posting here for awhile. nc Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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alt.parenting.solutions,"Annemarie" >Glen this post makes me really sad. You know that I have blocked Steve >posts now. For a long time I tried to ignore the abusive ones, and just >take note of the good ones. There were some good posts too. I even tried >to stick up for Steve at times when he was getting flamed. >It is sad that it got to the stage where I could not longer tolerate his >abuse. Have I done the right thing?? Not sure.
I am *pretty* well convinced that someone like him cannot be helped in newsgroups like this one … or virtually any other public forum. It doesn’t seem that supporting him when he is flamed by others is worthwhile because if a supporter "slips up" (in his mind), his hate flows freely and any support that he has received goes out the window. >Steve I know you will probably read these, you may have replied in anger >already to Glen. You know we only actually wish you well.
But wish that he would not be so totally and absolutely angry toward everybody on his Mission Of Truth ™. — Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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>>I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any >past abuse. >I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at >virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any >subject >is only due to seeing abuses of others. >Sorry, but it don’t wash.
Sorry, Glen. I had such a hard time getting my head around Steve’s ideas that I didn’t realize that someone could believe that someone else’s right to choose could be invalidated by someone’s desires, but I just read Sblanche’s ’so quit it already’ and it’s true– I want my right to choose, even if I do it wrong so bad that I’ll fight for it, so we’re at an impasse. I *do* wonder about the anger in someone who has it all figured out, but have mentioned it before. Lynne Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Glen this post makes me really sad. You know that I have blocked Steve posts now. For a long time I tried to ignore the abusive ones, and just take note of the good ones. There were some good posts too. I even tried to stick up for Steve at times when he was getting flamed. It is sad that it got to the stage where I could not longer tolerate his abuse. Have I done the right thing?? Not sure. Steve I know you will probably read these, you may have replied in anger already to Glen. You know we only actually wish you well. Annemarie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any > past abuse. > I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at > virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any subject > is only due to seeing abuses of others. > Sorry, but it don’t wash. > See, someone who has not experienced abuse (as you claim is the > case for yourself) or has put their abuse into perspective will > see abuse and usually feel concerned, compassion and want to > help. > Did you notice any anger in that? > No? > Well, that may be because anger usually stems from fear. That > fear is inherent in most abuse. It may be a fear that the abuser > is correct, that the victim is wrong/flawed, somehow. > Maybe you honestly don’t remember your abuse. Maybe it was so > violent that the adrenaline didn’t let you remember it. As > Rosanne said "When asked if you were abused, there are only two > possible answers: ‘Yes’ or ‘I don’t know’.". > Remember it or not, it is clearly still working on you. > That’s too bad, for many reasons. > One is that you *do* have things to offer. All of the anger > keeps getting in the way of being understood and listened to. > Another is that all of those feelings, remembered or not, kill. > Yes, it happens slowly, but it tends to be effective in virtually > every case. If you were to look at all of the people with > stress-related diseases and autoimmune diseases, you would likely > find victims of childhood abuse. > Honestly, Steve, do get help. > Glen (no joke!) Appleby > — > Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. > It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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>I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any >past abuse. >I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at >virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any subject >is only due to seeing abuses of others. >Sorry, but it don’t wash.
This is a test. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->See, someone who has not experienced abuse (as you claim is the >case for yourself) or has put their abuse into perspective will >see abuse and usually feel concerned, compassion and want to >help. >Did you notice any anger in that? >No? >Well, that may be because anger usually stems from fear. That >fear is inherent in most abuse. It may be a fear that the abuser >is correct, that the victim is wrong/flawed, somehow. >Maybe you honestly don’t remember your abuse. Maybe it was so >violent that the adrenaline didn’t let you remember it. As >Rosanne said "When asked if you were abused, there are only two >possible answers: ‘Yes’ or ‘I don’t know’.". >Remember it or not, it is clearly still working on you. >That’s too bad, for many reasons. >One is that you *do* have things to offer. All of the anger >keeps getting in the way of being understood and listened to. >Another is that all of those feelings, remembered or not, kill. >Yes, it happens slowly, but it tends to be effective in virtually >every case. If you were to look at all of the people with >stress-related diseases and autoimmune diseases, you would likely >find victims of childhood abuse. >Honestly, Steve, do get help. >Glen (no joke!) Appleby >– >Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. >It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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Oh Glen…..you dig it and you know it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any > past abuse. > I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at > virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any subject > is only due to seeing abuses of others. > Sorry, but it don’t wash. > See, someone who has not experienced abuse (as you claim is the > case for yourself) or has put their abuse into perspective will > see abuse and usually feel concerned, compassion and want to > help. > Did you notice any anger in that? > No? > Well, that may be because anger usually stems from fear. That > fear is inherent in most abuse. It may be a fear that the abuser > is correct, that the victim is wrong/flawed, somehow. > Maybe you honestly don’t remember your abuse. Maybe it was so > violent that the adrenaline didn’t let you remember it. As > Rosanne said "When asked if you were abused, there are only two > possible answers: ‘Yes’ or ‘I don’t know’.". > Remember it or not, it is clearly still working on you. > That’s too bad, for many reasons. > One is that you *do* have things to offer. All of the anger > keeps getting in the way of being understood and listened to. > Another is that all of those feelings, remembered or not, kill. > Yes, it happens slowly, but it tends to be effective in virtually > every case. If you were to look at all of the people with > stress-related diseases and autoimmune diseases, you would likely > find victims of childhood abuse. > Honestly, Steve, do get help. > Glen (no joke!) Appleby > — > Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. > It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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I fully understand and actually appreciate your denial of any past abuse. I am fully aware that you claim that your unrelenting anger at virtually anybody who disagrees with you on virtually any subject is only due to seeing abuses of others. Sorry, but it don’t wash. See, someone who has not experienced abuse (as you claim is the case for yourself) or has put their abuse into perspective will see abuse and usually feel concerned, compassion and want to help. Did you notice any anger in that? No? Well, that may be because anger usually stems from fear. That fear is inherent in most abuse. It may be a fear that the abuser is correct, that the victim is wrong/flawed, somehow. Maybe you honestly don’t remember your abuse. Maybe it was so violent that the adrenaline didn’t let you remember it. As Rosanne said "When asked if you were abused, there are only two possible answers: ‘Yes’ or ‘I don’t know’.". Remember it or not, it is clearly still working on you. That’s too bad, for many reasons. One is that you *do* have things to offer. All of the anger keeps getting in the way of being understood and listened to. Another is that all of those feelings, remembered or not, kill. Yes, it happens slowly, but it tends to be effective in virtually every case. If you were to look at all of the people with stress-related diseases and autoimmune diseases, you would likely find victims of childhood abuse. Honestly, Steve, do get help. Glen (no joke!) Appleby — Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.
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