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OK this takes care of the question I posted myself about 10 minutes ago about this woman. I read your message in it’s entireity, Toto, and I guess now I can see why she would be labelled a troll. Posting such obviously hateful and inflammatory messages to newsgroups for the sole purpose of angering those who will read them and inspire a lot of hate mail in return, is something that only a troll would do. And, Mother Keesha/ Grandmother Hickey, or whatever you call yourself today, if you are reading this, please realize that although I respect and admire your desire to turn people over to Christ, I need to tell you that you are going about it entirely the wrong way, and you are giving Christianity a bad name with your obvious prejudiced and warped views. I also read your website and found a lot of good on it, even though I disagreed with much of what you had written. You need to find a new forum for your "evangelical" mission!! …Charlene
> Since Mother Keesha appears to be causing upset, I am reposting the > outing done by Darryl Pierce some time ago for new people who have > not seen this information. (I miss Darryl) > Note the Max’s Church is F.U.C.K - First Universal Christian > Kingdom which should be a dead giveaway that s/he is not > a serious Christian to begin with. > For Max’s opinion under his own name
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6fcthu%24epo%241%40nnrp1.crl.com… =gplain > The post that outed him in November of 1998
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:krishna%40crl.crl.com&hl=en&… =b&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny=1995&as_maxd=10&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=1999&rnu m =1&selm=73825s%24gs2%241%40nnrp1.crl.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions, alt.christnet.nudism > What the pope’s family did is a well known fact, and not > just my opinion. Look in any reputable biography. The pope > himself wasn’t personally involved, but his cousins were. > Mother Hickey of Dallas -|- > First Universal Christian Kingdom | > :>—OVERVIEW OF THE PROBLEM BEING ADDRESSED— > :> > :>On or around 29SEP98, a user caller "herself" "Penny Cillin" > :>Henrietta Hickey" then finally "Mother Henrietta Hickey", began > :>posting to alt.circumcision, alt.parenting.solutions, and alt.atheism > :>what can only be considered trollish and deliberately inflammatory > :>messages. The NNTP servers used have almost always been ones operated > :>by CR Laboratories (this can be verified by searching DejaNews at > :> > :>Trolls abound in the Usenet, as everyone knows. Normally they post for > :>a short time and then either disappear or switch to a different > :>newsgroup. This one, however, has been posting and crossposting to > :>groups like alt.circumcision, alt.parenting.solutions, > :>alt.christnet.nudism, alt.atheism and others. > :> > :>A few samples of the types of messages posted by "Mother Hickey": > :> > :>—8<[snip]— > :>Organization: Hotmail, USA > :>Newsgroups: alt.christnet.nudism > :> > :> Why do you people go on heaping abuse on me? I’m here to help > :>lead you to Heaven, not to make you angry. It’s unfortunate that > :>you’re all so deeply steeped in many and various sins that you can’t > :>recognize a helping hand when itr’s extended to you. > :> I’m not here to stir up trouble, and I don’t care whether any > :>of you respond to me or not. If you don’t want to hear the Gospel > :>Message I preach, then by all means ignore it, or read it without > :>commenting on it. You’ll find out if you haven’t already that I > :>couldn’t care less what anybody but GOD thinks about me, and He has > :>alrteady blessed my Usenet ministry. I have led dozens of people out > :>of the dark caves of bad parenting and flesh worship and into the > :>Light of Salvation through Christ Jesus. > :> The problem for you is that deep inside you know I’m right and > :>it’s only the devil who’s got you convinced I’m a troll. I’m not > :>trolling for anything. I’m merely sharing the Good News with those > :>who WANT to hear it. > :> > :> > :>Repent NOW! > :>This could be your last offer! > :> > :>Mother Hickey of Dallas > :>—8<[snip]— > :>Organization: Hotmail, USA > :>Newsgroups: alt.circumcision > :> > :> I certainly would never shake hands with an uncircumcised man > :>– and yes, I do ask if I can’t SMELL from the start, which I usually > :>can. > :> I was going to leave you all to your silly little arguments. > :>I see you couldn’t STOP talking about me! Well, thanks for the > :>invitation back!! > :> I don’t know about you, but I’m not a fish. What an idiotic > :>analogy! > :> > :> > :>Penny Cillin -|- > :>Servant of God | > :>—8<[snip]— > :> > :>Similar inflammatory messages calling for circumcision based solely on > :>divine grounds in alt.circumcision (where the debate is already heated > :>enough), or condemning people to hell in alt.atheism, or condoning > :>ritual child abuse in alt.parenting.solutions have been posted by this > :>person. An example of the messages calling for abuse (please pay > :>particular attention to point #9): > :> > :>—8<[snip]— > :>Organization: Hotmail, USA > :>Newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions > :> > :>Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a > :>few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright. > :> > :>1) If you’re a Christian, do celebrate Christmas. Decorate your house > :>to welcome the Coming King to Earth. If you’re not a Christian, don’t > :> > :>celebrate Christmas. You’re free to celebrate the Norse Yule or the > :>Roman Saturnalia or some other such pagan gluttons’ feast that > :>glorifies how much damage Satan has done in the world. I’m not > :>speaking of the Jews — I’m a Black Jew myself. I see no reason why > :>Christians shouldn’t celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas, since it > :>was during Hanukkah that Jesus revealed Himself to be God (John > :>10:22-30). It is my opinion that the Disciples were planning to > :>celebrate His Birthday when Jesus startled them with another of His > :>Wondrous Divine Revelations. Praise the Lord! > :> > :>2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren’t too > :>gaudy. Your home or office shouldn’t look like a bar. Forgo the > :>reindeer, the sleigh, the elves (including the "jolly old" elf Santa > :>Claus), the snowmen (especially the mechanical ones that move — > :>they’re downright demonic), the Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype), > :>the dollar signs, the milk maids, the harem girls, and Tiny Tim. Soft > :>pedal the tinsel and the blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit > :>creche, a stable, fresh straw, camels, horses, sheep, shepherds, wise > :>men, gold, frankincense, myrrh, Joseph and Mary (as long as they’re > :>not too idolatrous — Mary shouldn’t be weeping or holding her arms > :>out to starving Third World children — the Star of Bethlehem, and > :>angelic choirs. Bells are fine — they announce the Coming of the > :>King. Colored orbs are out — they’re pagan. A plaster figurine of > :>King Herod that the kids can throw rocks at is optional. A spinning > :>reindeer is utterly abominable. > :> > :>3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show > :>that the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is > :>ruled by Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin. > :> > :>4) Don’t spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two > :> > :>per person will suffice, and shouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg. > :>Don’t go into debt at Christmastime. Believers are indebted to God, > :>not to mortal man. Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy > :>Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed. > :>Invite a family of homeless derelicts to your home to sit down and sup > :> > :>with you and yours, and at dinner discuss with them ways in which they > :>might stop burdening society with their begging and become useful > :>citizens. Be sure to count the silverware before AND after they > :>leave, and of course not to display your wealth to them openly, lest > :>they covet it. A friend of mine picks hoboes and bag ladies off the > :>streets in Atlanta right before Christmas, blindfolds them, and drives > :>them to his rich cousin’s cabin in the Smoky Mountains, where they > :>sometimes spend the weekend helping with the cooking, cleaning, and > :>woodcutting. Just be sure not to open your doors to illegal > :>immigrants. If you want to help them, buy them a one-way ticket back > :>home. > :> > :>5) Don’t try to buy friendship or love with jewelry or other luxuries. > :>Anyone who can be bought with gifts is not worth having in your life. > :> > :>6) Write or call relatives you haven’t spoken to in years and try to > :>bury the hatchet with them. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers: > :>for they shall
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Please don’t read this if you don’t want to read about Christianity, anyone! (My own warning) And also, note the added "U’s" in the words humoUurously and savioUr" Us Canadians write them words like that, eh. I, for one, fully and completely understand the point that you so humourously made in your post, "J.M"….I just felt that I had to clarify what I’ve learned in the relatively short time since I re-committed my life to Christ; it’s that that all the things you spoke about were laws that were set in place during the time of the Old Testament. That is, before the coming of the saviour Jesus Christ, who was God’s son (therefore, half God-half man if you will) who took it upon Himself to die for our sins so that we would no longer be bound by laws such as those. The day that He died, a new covenant was forged making us free NOT to sin, but free as in we are no longer bound by earthly laws and by the power of Satan. I hope that makes sense!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > You made the major error of posting the Bible and then claiming that it’s > 100% the way we ought to live, so now I get to ask you to answer the ten > questions. > 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a > pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. > They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? > 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus > 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for > her? > 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her > period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do > I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. > 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and > female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend > of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you > clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? > 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 > clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill > him myself? > 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an > abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. > I don’t agree. Can you settle this? > 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of G-d if I have a > defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my > vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? > 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair > around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by > Lev.19:27. How should they die? > 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me > unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? > 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two > different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments > made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also > tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to > all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. > 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair > like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) > I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you > can help. Thank you again for reminding us that G-d’s word is eternal > and unchanging and that you are an expert in his works.
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Oh Ok…that’s what Messianic Jews are. I had heard of that term before. Wow, Christianity is getting so confusing :)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am wondering something….how is it that you are Jewish yet you believe > that Jesus Christ is the messiah? I am not trying to be facecious (SP?) > (please correct my spelling if that one is wrong, like I know you will) I > am > truly interested. Because, I was under the impression that although people > of the Jewish faith believe in Jesus, they don’t believe that He was the > son > of God, the saviour, and that their messiah is still coming. > Actually there is a group of JEws who do believe in Jesus as the Messuah. > They call themselves Messanic Jews. In fact, I’ve met and talked with a few > during this past summer at the Boy Scout Summer camp I work at.
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Muhahahahahaha!!! Thanks for the best laugh I’ve had today! …Charlene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > You made the major error of posting the Bible and then claiming that it’s > 100% the way we ought to live, so now I get to ask you to answer the ten > questions. > 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a > pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. > They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? > 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus > 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for > her? > 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her > period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do > I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. > 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and > female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend > of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you > clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? > 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 > clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill > him myself? > 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an > abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. > I don’t agree. Can you settle this? > 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of G-d if I have a > defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my > vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? > 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair > around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by > Lev.19:27. How should they die? > 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me > unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? > 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two > different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments > made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also > tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to > all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. > 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair > like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) > I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you > can help. Thank you again for reminding us that G-d’s word is eternal > and unchanging and that you are an expert in his works.
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> I am wondering something….how is it that you are Jewish yet you believe > that Jesus Christ is the messiah? I am not trying to be facecious (SP?) > (please correct my spelling if that one is wrong, like I know you will) I am > truly interested. Because, I was under the impression that although people > of the Jewish faith believe in Jesus, they don’t believe that He was the son > of God, the saviour, and that their messiah is still coming.
Actually there is a group of JEws who do believe in Jesus as the Messuah. They call themselves Messanic Jews. In fact, I’ve met and talked with a few during this past summer at the Boy Scout Summer camp I work at. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Hold on a second– Mother Keesha has it screwed up.. The Jews are the chosen.. Or is it the Catholics? Or is it the Muslims? Or is it the Presbyterians? Or is it the…well you get the idea– as long as someone has God in their heart, they are The Chosen.. Guess Keesha just does not get that understanding.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Toto, and I guess now I can see why she would be labelled a troll. > Only by the enemies of God and His Chosen Black People!
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<snip> You made the major error of posting the Bible and then claiming that it’s 100% the way we ought to live, so now I get to ask you to answer the ten questions. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of G-d if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that G-d’s word is eternal and unchanging and that you are an expert in his works.
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> Care to provide some supporting facts or evidence that the black people are > God’s Chosen? > The original Hebrews of the Bible was Black. They done mix freely > with the Black Egyptians throughout the Book of Genesis.
And where does it say that? Care to provide a verse(s) that says that? Or is it coming from on of your teachers form your seminary? > Later, God > done smote certain sinners with white skin as a curse for they > disobedience. See II KIngs 4:8-37 for details. Gehazi was > specifically curse with white skin, which he done pass along to > others.
Still waiting for proof. By the way, what form of a Bible did you find that Gehazi was cursed? In 2 Kings 4:8-37 there is no mention of Gehazi being cursed. I even gave you the benifit of doubt, I checked in a few differrent Bibles for confirmation: I look in a King James Version and a New International Version. But alas, neither said or implied that Gehzai was cursed. > No, I am NOT referring to your own claim. I am looking for proof that > includes Experts, such as the Bible (chapter and verse), URLs > would even be better. > I am a expert. All Black people know Jesus is Black too. The > earliest pictures of Jesus portray Him as a Black Man with nappy hair.
In other words you got ZERO PROOF!!! > First off I thought you were a Messanic Jew? Or do you jump from being a > Messanic Jew to Christian and visa versa; all depending on what you are > claiming? Secondly, I guess ethnic and racial slurs, stereotyping ethnic > groups and races not hateful, inflammatory, and show deep Christian > compassion. Boy, won’t the numerious racial hate groups like the KKK, Aryan > Nations, etc like to hear that. > Messianic Jews basically Christian but > we got our own denomination. We don’t put Jesus on a equal footing > with God the Father, but we do accept Him as our Messiah.
In other words, you go by what ever Religious name that suits or supports your claim. If it needs to sound like it comes from a Christian, you are a Christian, if it needs to sound like it is coming from a Jew, your Jewish, if you need to sound like both then you are a Messanic Jew. > True you preach the True and Full Gospel as defined by your prejudice and > your church. > What prejudice?
Sep 2001 22:10:41 GMT 1. Where you called Arabs "mullah-fakirs" 2. Where you said: Teach your kids not to talk to them. If they come to you door begging for handouts for they starving children, remind them that they can use they oil riches for something besides terrormongering. 3. Called Arab women: those wimpled Arabellas 4. get them bloodthirsty Arabs outta our schools Oct 2001 17:21:05 GMT 1. Where you claimed all the Mexican men want to do is to bring their mamacita, wife-ita, mistress-cita, and all twelve of the little bambinos too. 2. foreign doctors who come here from India and Pakistan practicing they hoodoo and snake worship instead of real science 1. overturning the Godless white hierarchy. 1. by your white uncircumcise gentile filth. Care for me to look up more raci > Why do it bother you so much to accept that Blacks was God’s original
Chosen People? If, you could prove it, I wouldn’t have any problem accepting it. However, so far your claim goes holds as much validity as any one of those racist Churches of the Aryan nations, etc who claim they are God’s Chosen People. They make a lot of noise and claims. Yet, when asked to show some valid fact or evidene, they reply just like you with claims like: God told it to me. The bible says so, etc. > I didn’t never say He hate white people.
Never said nor implied you did say that God hate white people. > Does that include using ethnic/racial slurs? Does that include stereotyping > ethnic groups or races? > No, and I don’t never do neither of them things. I love all people > equally.
Look at my earlier post above. Or even better, look in the below portion doing any racial slurs. In other words, don’t allow your prejudical views to be put into words. Especially in a newsgroup, since any research will find them, no matter how old ( at least back to 1995). I’m just tired of being treated like a second-class citizen > just cause I’m Black. I’m tired of seeing my poor Bruthaz and Sistaz > being exploited by rich white hogs that live in castles in Hollywood. > Yes, I am critical of them that hurt other people, but I offer all of > them the same opportunity to repent and make reparations that I do to > everybody else. > Yet, at the same time overlooking your own sins. > What sins?
Where would you like me to start?
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> (A lot snipped) > "If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this > prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life…" > (Revelation 22:19).
You took that quote from the BIBLE, Keesha. It’s regarding people taking parts out of the BIBLE. I snipped your NEWSGROUP POST. There is a slight difference!! (LOL) > but this isn’t what I was referring to. You had some excellent links posted > on your page and I spent at least 2 or 3 hours tonight reading a lot of the > material from them. > The one about spanking done went dormant. I gotta find a replacement > for that. It said that it’s a True Christian’s responsibility to > spank her kids.
I won’t even touch this one, as I think it is only your way of trying to engage me into a war about my beliefs on corporal punishment, which are vastly different from yours. > What I meant was that I didn’t agree with many of your views and beliefs, > especially about child rearing, but to each his own. I just don’t think you > should be trying to push these beliefs down others’ throats, > How do I do that? Do I force anybody to read my sermons? I just > broadcast Gospel Truth. I don’t shove it under you door, much less > down nobody’s throat.
Point well taken. > because *personally* I don’t think that the "spare the rod, spoil the
child" > quote was referring to literally spanking with an implement. > Well, Proverbs 23:13-14 say, "Withhold not correction from the child: > for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt > beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."
Yes, Ok, but the bible also says, "…This is my body, which shall be given up for you" (when Jesus was holding a piece of bread) and "If you eat of this bread and drink of this cup, you shall live forever" and you and I both know that Jesus wasn’t asking us all to be cannibals. It also states in the old testament that women should not allow their heads to be uncovered and men should not shave their body hair. The old testament is full of rules and laws that changed after the new covenant that was forged when Jesus died on the cross and set us free from laws such as these. I could give you atleast 200 other examples, but I don’t think I need to. > So much from the bible is taken far too literally, causing strife and > discontent amongst Christians today, and that’s too bad. > Why do you think the Bible suppose to be symbolic or something?
No, not at all. I hope I wasn’t misunderstood there. We can believe to be true that which was inspired by God in his word, and that is everything that the bible says. The only problem is that we all have to read the WHOLE word and not just part of it in order to understand what God is really telling us. So many people today get caught up on individual WORDS and not the entire passage or even chapter of the bible, so this is where misinterpretation comes in. I bet if you read the whole chapter before AND after the aforementioned quote, you could come up with an entirely different meaning to it, provided you are reading it with the right attitude and not mearly to "prove" something. >We don’t whoop our kids with a literal rod. Even sticks and switches > been ruled obsolete. We use a sturdy oak paddle with holes drill in > it to make it more aerodynamically effective. The holes reduce air > resistance and let the holy instrument deliver 40% more punch than > paddles without no holes. We find these very effective in keeping > kids under control.
Fair enough, but with that argument, why *don’t* you use a literal rod? That’s what the bible says, isn’t it? You have to remember that the bible was written several centuries ago and though the underlying messages are the same, the EXACT words may have meant something completely different back then. > Simply because "preaching" over the internet is largely unproductive since I > believe that most people have to see for themselves the kind of life you > lead, and they have to be called by the Holy Spirit through you in order to > be drawn to Christianity. If you are a true Christian, the spirit will > radiate from you and draw people to you because they will want what you > have, inner peace and true happiness that can only come from God. Simply > spouting a bunch of bible verses and telling people that they are "sinners > and will burn in hell" isn’t going to make them want Christ in their lives, > is it? > It work for me.
So this does work for you then? You have won souls over to Christ with your approach? If this is true…Great! More power to you, sister! > Jesus said we got to preach the Gospel to every > living creature.
True. >What better way but over the internet.
What better way? In person. Go on a mission trip to a place that needs His word. Or better yet, go on a mission right in your own city or town. You will surely find more lost souls there than you could ever find on this newsgroup. > No, it’s going to make them say "Hey look, another &^%$ bible > thumping Christ worshipper!" and write you off like yesterday’s news! > Only them that’s under the devil’s influence gonna say that.
And since this world is ruled by the prince of darkness, satan, everyone who isn’t a born again Christian IS under the devil’s influence. So that means that all of the people you are "preaching" to over the internet who are not saved are under his influence. And you and I both know that he is the father of lies and the prince of deception. He blinds the eyes of the non-believers to the truth that is in Jesus Christ. Therefore, they cannot possibly see what you are trying to do and respect it, much less turn over to Christianity as a result of this type of witnessing. > people done say, "Them holy Joes won’t let up a lick but they sure do > believe in what they be preaching. I wonder if what they say be > right. I wonder if it is a hell where I’m a-gonna cook forever if I > don’t come clean real soon. O Lord, please reveal the same truth to > me that you done reveal to these people, you servants."
Again, if true non believers, the ones that so desperately need Jesus in their lives (meaning everyone who doesn’t currently have Him there) are turning over a new leaf as a result of something that you wrote which spoke to them, that is wonderful and you are doing your job as a good and faithful servant. I am wondering something….how is it that you are Jewish yet you believe that Jesus Christ is the messiah? I am not trying to be facecious (SP?) (please correct my spelling if that one is wrong, like I know you will) I am truly interested. Because, I was under the impression that although people of the Jewish faith believe in Jesus, they don’t believe that He was the son of God, the saviour, and that their messiah is still coming. > I appreciate your prayers. Maybe you’d like to send my church a small > monetary offering too to show you support.
Well, I’d rather support my home church, but thanks for the offer! > Come again? The "Black Light of Truth!??" > The shining Truth that reveal the dignity and equality (not > superiority) of the Black Man.
Oh….THAT Black Light of Truth!! > …Enough with the labels! You are human, like all the rest of us! > I got to correct they misapprehensions.
Sorry, couldn’t resist this, but is this really a word? > Truthfully, > Mother Keesha Holloway > Teacher to the Masses
Sincerely, Charlene Conroy Mother to my four children Teacher to nobody but myself
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (A lot snipped) > "If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this > prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life…" > (Revelation 22:19). > No, no…I’m definitely NOT prejudiced. If you knew me you would be sure of > that….I am truly a very open minded person who tries to be fair and > non-judgmental and I pride myself on that. > What do God say about pride? > I don’t even understand what Black Ebonics is, > The living language of Black America. Don’t you never watch no Black > movies or shows on TV? Didn’t you see "Big Momma’s House"? > but this isn’t what I was referring to. You had some excellent links posted > on your page and I spent at least 2 or 3 hours tonight reading a lot of the > material from them. > The one about spanking done went dormant. I gotta find a replacement > for that. It said that it’s a True Christian’s responsibility to > spank her kids. > What I meant was that I didn’t agree with many of your views and beliefs, > especially about child rearing, but to each his own. I just don’t think you > should be trying to push these beliefs down others’ throats, > How do I do that? Do I force anybody to read my sermons? I just > broadcast Gospel Truth. I don’t shove it under you door, much less > down nobody’s throat. > because *personally* I don’t think that the "spare the rod, spoil the
child" > quote was referring to literally spanking with an implement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, Proverbs 23:13-14 say, "Withhold not correction from the child: > for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt > beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." That > don’t sound like the permissive approach to me. I’ll admit that it’s > some kids that don’t never need to be whooped, but most of them out > there now need more, not less, attention applied hard and fast to the > seat of they britches. > So much from the bible is taken far too literally, causing strife and > discontent amongst Christians today, and that’s too bad. > Bible most rewarding when it be taken as literally as possible. We > don’t whoop our kids with a literal rod. Even sticks and switches > been ruled obsolete. We use a sturdy oak paddle with holes drill in > it to make it more aerodynamically effective.
So, in other words, you find verses in the Bible, which if applied and modified not only support your doctrine, but justify it. Furthermore, as most people know that most of the Book of Proverbs was written by Solomon to teach young people growing into manhood. Heck, if a person really want to, they could nearly find some verse(s) in the Bible to justify or support their claim. Religious Titles: Jesus forbids anyone from assuming any religious title (leadership, teacher, etc) (Matthew 23:8-10). Women in church: Women are expected to remain silent in church (1 Timothy 2:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34). Do you pray with your head covered or is it shaved as directed by the Bible (1Corinthians 11:5-10)? Seekingrevenge or bearing a grudge: God forbids this agaisnt one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19: 18). Mixing woven cloth: Do you wear 2 or more differrent woven materials at one time? God forbids it (Leviticus 19:19).
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I now do, Lynne…thanks. It just always angers me when I see (or especially hear) someone making a mockery of Christianity when it has been the most amazingly wonderful thing in my life and the lives of so many others. I just hope people who may have one day come to know God aren’t further turned off by her. Charlene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Charlene, only if you take this stuff seriously. This is not a > preacher with a school; it’s obviously someone having a lot of fun > doing fake semi-fundamentalist rants and pulling people’s chains. > Think of it as a long-running Saturday Night Live skit. > Lynne
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> Charlene, you’re an idiot.
Actually, Steve, I’m not, but thank you for taking the time to tell me that. If you met me, I think you would see me as a pretty intelligent person as I probably would you. >You’re being taken in by a troll.
Well, that could be. But troll or not she/he is making a mockery of a way of life that I hold near and dear to my heart, and that’s what bothers me. Besides, it’s also kind of humorous to follow some of the posts. I’m not losing sleep over it. > And you’re engaging in pitiful wishful thinking. > Steve
Wishful thinking? How so? (Please tell me, I’m dying over here!) ..Charlene
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>Charlene, only if you take this stuff seriously. This is not a >preacher with a school; it’s obviously someone having a lot of fun >doing fake semi-fundamentalist rants and pulling people’s chains. >Think of it as a long-running Saturday Night Live skit.
It’s called Usenet Performance Art (UPA). Soon they’ll give grants for it.
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> Care to provide some supporting facts or evidence that the black people are > God’s Chosen?
The original Hebrews of the Bible was Black. They done mix freely with the Black Egyptians throughout the Book of Genesis. Later, God done smote certain sinners with white skin as a curse for they disobedience. See II KIngs 4:8-37 for details. Gehazi was specifically curse with white skin, which he done pass along to others. > No, I am NOT referring to your own claim. I am looking for proof that > includes Experts, such as the Bible (chapter and verse), URLs > would even be better.
I am a expert. All Black people know Jesus is Black too. The earliest pictures of Jesus portray Him as a Black Man with nappy hair. > First off I thought you were a Messanic Jew? Or do you jump from being a > Messanic Jew to Christian and visa versa; all depending on what you are > claiming? Secondly, I guess ethnic and racial slurs, stereotyping ethnic > groups and races not hateful, inflammatory, and show deep Christian > compassion. Boy, won’t the numerious racial hate groups like the KKK, Aryan > Nations, etc like to hear that.
I don’t teach the superiority of the Black race. We all God’s children. However, God done chose the Black people to fulfill a special mission in the world. Messianic Jews basically Christian but we got our own denomination. We don’t put Jesus on a equal footing with God the Father, but we do accept Him as our Messiah. > True you preach the True and Full Gospel as defined by your prejudice and > your church.
What prejudice? Why do it bother you so much to accept that Blacks was God’s original Chosen People? I didn’t never say He hate white people. God done love all colors equally. It’s plenty of white people that been chosen over the millenniums for this or that special mission. Look at the Apostle Paul. Look at Billy Graham. Look at Dr. Laura Schlessinger. > Does that include using ethnic/racial slurs? Does that include stereotyping > ethnic groups or races?
No, and I don’t never do neither of them things. I love all people equally. I’m just tired of being treated like a second-class citizen just cause I’m Black. I’m tired of seeing my poor Bruthaz and Sistaz being exploited by rich white hogs that live in castles in Hollywood. Yes, I am critical of them that hurt other people, but I offer all of them the same opportunity to repent and make reparations that I do to everybody else. > Yet, at the same time overlooking your own sins.
What sins? Praying for you day and night, Mother Keesha Holloway True Ebonic Defender
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> (A lot snipped)
"If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life…" (Revelation 22:19). > No, no…I’m definitely NOT prejudiced. If you knew me you would be sure of > that….I am truly a very open minded person who tries to be fair and > non-judgmental and I pride myself on that.
What do God say about pride? > I don’t even understand what Black Ebonics is,
The living language of Black America. Don’t you never watch no Black movies or shows on TV? Didn’t you see "Big Momma’s House"? > but this isn’t what I was referring to. You had some excellent links posted > on your page and I spent at least 2 or 3 hours tonight reading a lot of the > material from them.
The one about spanking done went dormant. I gotta find a replacement for that. It said that it’s a True Christian’s responsibility to spank her kids. > What I meant was that I didn’t agree with many of your views and beliefs, > especially about child rearing, but to each his own. I just don’t think you > should be trying to push these beliefs down others’ throats,
How do I do that? Do I force anybody to read my sermons? I just broadcast Gospel Truth. I don’t shove it under you door, much less down nobody’s throat. > because *personally* I don’t think that the "spare the rod, spoil the child" > quote was referring to literally spanking with an implement.
Well, Proverbs 23:13-14 say, "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." That don’t sound like the permissive approach to me. I’ll admit that it’s some kids that don’t never need to be whooped, but most of them out there now need more, not less, attention applied hard and fast to the seat of they britches. > So much from the bible is taken far too literally, causing strife and > discontent amongst Christians today, and that’s too bad.
Why do you think the Bible suppose to be symbolic or something? With that argument, you can say that when God said, "Thou shalt not kill," that He meant you could kill if you was really convince that somebody really ought to die. It’s true that God’s Laws often very complicated and cain’t always be applied directly to every situation, but the Bible most rewarding when it be taken as literally as possible. We don’t whoop our kids with a literal rod. Even sticks and switches been ruled obsolete. We use a sturdy oak paddle with holes drill in it to make it more aerodynamically effective. The holes reduce air resistance and let the holy instrument deliver 40% more punch than paddles without no holes. We find these very effective in keeping kids under control. > Simply because "preaching" over the internet is largely unproductive since I > believe that most people have to see for themselves the kind of life you > lead, and they have to be called by the Holy Spirit through you in order to > be drawn to Christianity. If you are a true Christian, the spirit will > radiate from you and draw people to you because they will want what you > have, inner peace and true happiness that can only come from God. Simply > spouting a bunch of bible verses and telling people that they are "sinners > and will burn in hell" isn’t going to make them want Christ in their lives, > is it?
It work for me. Jesus said we got to preach the Gospel to every living creature. What better way but over the internet. Here in these parenting and educational newsgroups, I teach wayward parents how to bring up they children right. It’s a shame that so many parents turn they childrearing responsibilities over to nannies, au pair tramps, babysitters, teachers, and enile old grannies that don’t got enough strength to wield no paddle hard enough to keep kids outta trouble. > No, it’s going to make them say "Hey look, another &^%$ bible > thumping Christ worshipper!" and write you off like yesterday’s news!
Only them that’s under the devil’s influence gonna say that. Most people done say, "Them holy Joes won’t let up a lick but they sure do believe in what they be preaching. I wonder if what they say be right. I wonder if it is a hell where I’m a-gonna cook forever if I don’t come clean real soon. O Lord, please reveal the same truth to me that you done reveal to these people, you servants." > Thank you. As I am for you.
I appreciate your prayers. Maybe you’d like to send my church a small monetary offering too to show you support. > Come again? The "Black Light of Truth!??"
The shining Truth that reveal the dignity and equality (not superiority) of the Black Man. > …Enough with the labels! You are human, like all the rest of us!
Yes, but I’m also, one, only, true, and real. It’s others be saying I’m a fake. I got to correct they misapprehensions. Truthfully, Mother Keesha Holloway Teacher to the Masses
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Charlene, Max is an atheist, not a Christian and his posts are > *intended* to give Christianity a bad name.. Did you read what I > posted all the way through? > Dorothy > >…Charlene >Dorothy; >Yes, I read your post all the way through, and from what I read it sounded >like you (or someone, there were so many names I couldn’t quite keep them >straight!) was saying that Max was one of her three or four aliases, so >therefore they were actually her viewpoints. Guess I got mixed up. Anyway, I >guess I was agreeing with Max, or whoever it was, who said that she was >obviously a troll, since she certainly seemed to fit the bill to me anyway. >I meant to say that SHE was giving Christianity a bad name, by saying that >she belongs to the "one holy church", (a lot of Christians seem to believe >that, even though we all believe in the same God and the same Christ, and >basically stand for the same things!) by coming off as "holier than thou" >which is also a huge turn-off to non-believers, and by displaying her warped >views and twisted beliefs and trying to make them come off as biblically >sound, which they certainly are NOT.
Charlene, only if you take this stuff seriously. This is not a preacher with a school; it’s obviously someone having a lot of fun doing fake semi-fundamentalist rants and pulling people’s chains. Think of it as a long-running Saturday Night Live skit. Lynne
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>Wait a minute, Dorothy…I just re-read your entire OP and I was right…MAX >whoever was always this Mother Keesha person in disguise. You had said that >it was Max posting under his own name, but it wasn’t, it was the troll. Did >you see the address of the sender at the top of that one? So therefore, >"Max" isn’t an atheist. He probably doesn’t exist. I bet he was another one >of the ‘pseudonyms’ (or alter/egos) that she created in order to stir up >controversy to her own posts. (Something that I have found very common for >trolls to do!) >…Charlene
Charlene, you’re an idiot. You’re being taken in by a troll. And you’re engaging in pitiful wishful thinking. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Charlene, Max is an atheist, not a Christian and his posts are > *intended* to give Christianity a bad name.. Did you read what I > posted all the way through? > Dorothy
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> > Toto, and I guess now I can see why she would be labelled a troll. > Only by the enemies of God and His Chosen Black People!
Care to provide some supporting facts or evidence that the black people are God’s Chosen? No, I am NOT referring to your own claim. I am looking for proof that includes Experts, such as the Bible (chapter and verse), URLs would even be better. > Posting such obviously hateful and inflammatory messages > When was ANY one of my sermons ever hateful or inflammatory? They was > all full of Deep Christian Compassion.
First off I thought you were a Messanic Jew? Or do you jump from being a Messanic Jew to Christian and visa versa; all depending on what you are claiming? Secondly, I guess ethnic and racial slurs, stereotyping ethnic groups and races not hateful, inflammatory, and show deep Christian compassion. Boy, won’t the numerious racial hate groups like the KKK, Aryan Nations, etc like to hear that. > I don’t want no hate mail. I want to preach the True and Full Gospel > of Jesus the Christ, and I want to help people find Salvation so they > can join me in the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus done prepare a big > mansion for me up there.
True you preach the True and Full Gospel as defined by your prejudice and your church. > and you are giving Christianity a bad name with your obvious prejudiced and > warped views. > My views ain’t neither prejudice nor warp. They deeply Christian. > It’s real simple. God love us so much that He done gave His > only-begotten Son to die on the Cross for us and then rise from the > dead. If you don’t repent and atone for you sins you gonna burn in > the bottom of hell for all eternity. That’s the Gospel in a nutshell.
Does that include using ethnic/racial slurs? Does that include stereotyping ethnic groups or races? > We all still here a-preaching the Word of God to filthy lost sinners
everywhere. Yet, at the same time overlooking your own sins.
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(A lot snipped) ME:> > I also read your website and found a lot of good on it, even though I > disagreed with much of what you had written.
HER:> You mean in Usenet or on the web page? I wrote that in white English. > See how prejudice YOU is. You respond kindly to white English > preaching but negatively to Black Ebonic preaching.
No, no…I’m definitely NOT prejudiced. If you knew me you would be sure of that….I am truly a very open minded person who tries to be fair and non-judgmental and I pride myself on that. I don’t even understand what Black Ebonics is, but this isn’t what I was referring to. You had some excellent links posted on your page and I spent atleast 2 or 3 hours tonight reading a lot of the material from them. What I meant was that I didn’t agree with many of your views and beliefs, especially about child rearing, but to each his own. I just don’t think you should be trying to push these beliefs down others’ throats, because *personally* I don’t think that the "spare the rod, spoil the child" quote was referring to literally spanking with an implement. So much from the bible is taken far too literally, causing strife and discontent amongst Christians today, and that’s too bad. > You need to find a new forum for your "evangelical" mission!! > What for? I’m winning plenty of souls right here! (more snipped)
Simply because "preaching" over the internet is largely unproductive since I believe that most people have to see for themselves the kind of life you lead, and they have to be called by the Holy Spirit through you in order to be drawn to Christianity. If you are a true Christian, the spirit will radiate from you and draw people to you because they will want what you have, inner peace and true happiness that can only come from God. Simply spouting a bunch of bible verses and telling people that they are "sinners and will burn in hell" isn’t going to make them want Christ in their lives, is it? No, it’s going to make them say "Hey look, another &^%$ bible thumping Christ worshipper!" and write you off like yesterday’s news! > Praying for you, child,
Thank you. As I am for you. > May you see the Black Light of Truth!
Come again? The "Black Light of Truth!??" > The One, The Only, The True, The Real > Mother Keesha Holloway
…Enough with the labels! You are human, like all the rest of us! — …Charlene http://family.krueger.ws/charlene fulltime stepmom to Kaitlin – 12 Bio mom to Danielle – 8, James – 2 1/2, and Courtney Leigh- 11mos.
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To Mother Keesha Holloway: Just for sentences, while one ponders and chooses words as ebonomics is not a recognized language, so therefore does not
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> OK this takes care of the question I posted myself about 10 minutes ago > about this woman. I read your message in it’s entireity, > I think you mean "its entirety."
Yes, thank you for your ever-faithful spelling corrections, Mother. My mistake.
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Dont worry– I got mixed up too.. LOL.. I didn’t realize he/she/it was an atheist. And I read it three times (was trying to keep track of it all).. 
I DO appriciate toto for pointing it out.. And to Toto– sometimes when writing something that I will read, just hit me over the head, and be blunt– I sometimes miss things in the words MEGA thanx for explaining it all. matty
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> OK this takes care of the question I posted myself about 10 minutes ago > about this woman. I read your message in it’s entireity,
I think you mean "its entirety." > Toto, and I guess now I can see why she would be labelled a troll.
Only by the enemies of God and His Chosen Black People! > Posting such obviously hateful and inflammatory messages
When was ANY one of my sermons ever hateful or inflammatory? They was all full of Deep Christian Compassion. > to newsgroups for the sole purpose of angering those who will read them and > inspire a lot of hate mail in return, is something that only a troll would do.
I don’t want no hate mail. I want to preach the True and Full Gospel of Jesus the Christ, and I want to help people find Salvation so they can join me in the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus done prepare a big mansion for me up there. > And, Mother Keesha/ Grandmother Hickey, or whatever you call yourself today,
I am Keesha Holloway. My mother Grandmother Hickey. Max was our publisher a long time ago, but ain’t neither one of us affiliate with him since 1999. > if you are reading this, please realize that although I respect and admire > your desire to turn people over to Christ, I need to tell you that you are > going about it entirely the wrong way,
You entitle to your opinion. I don’t happen to share it. > and you are giving Christianity a bad name with your obvious prejudiced and > warped views.
My views ain’t neither prejudice nor warp. They deeply Christian. It’s real simple. God love us so much that He done gave His only-begotten Son to die on the Cross for us and then rise from the dead. If you don’t repent and atone for you sins you gonna burn in the bottom of hell for all eternity. That’s the Gospel in a nutshell. Darryl was the Godless atheist. Max may have been one too. I don’t know. He would do absolutely anything for money. Some say he was even a sodomite. I know he was living with this fat hippy chick back in 1998. They put together the wicked tramp Jennifer "Lovecock" Summers who was selling her dirty old underwear online. Then they split up and he passed — straight into hell if you ask me. > I also read your website and found a lot of good on it, even though I > disagreed with much of what you had written.
You mean in Usenet or on the web page? I wrote that in white English. See how prejudice YOU is. You respond kindly to white English preaching but negatively to Black Ebonic preaching. > You need to find a new forum for your "evangelical" mission!!
What for? I’m winning plenty of souls right here! My mama gonna be coming back soon to give us her Halloween Do’s and DON’Ts for the year. Remember that Godless Darryl try for months to silence my mama by saying she was a troll and a liar and a hundred other nasty things. He kept threatening to have the plug pulled on her account and used to call people and breathe threats into the phone. (His heavy Irish accent easy to recognize.) He didn’t never succeed. We all still here a-preaching the Word of God to filthy lost sinners everywhere. Praying for you, child, May you see the Black Light of Truth! The One, The Only, The True, The Real Mother Keesha Holloway
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Wait a minute, Dorothy…I just re-read your entire OP and I was right…MAX whoever was always this Mother Keesha person in disguise. You had said that it was Max posting under his own name, but it wasn’t, it was the troll. Did you see the address of the sender at the top of that one? So therefore, "Max" isn’t an atheist. He probably doesn’t exist. I bet he was another one of the ‘pseudonyms’ (or alter/egos) that she created in order to stir up controversy to her own posts. (Something that I have found very common for trolls to do!) …Charlene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And, Mother Keesha/ Grandmother Hickey, or whatever you call yourself today, >if you are reading this, please realize that although I respect and admire >your desire to turn people over to Christ, I need to tell you that you are >going about it entirely the wrong way, and you are giving Christianity a bad >name with your obvious prejudiced and warped views. I also read your website >and found a lot of good on it, even though I disagreed with much of what you >had written. You need to find a new forum for your "evangelical" mission!! > Charlene, Max is an atheist, not a Christian and his posts are > *intended* to give Christianity a bad name.. Did you read what I > posted all the way through? > Dorothy >…Charlene >> Since Mother Keesha appears to be causing upset, I am reposting the >> outing done by Darryl Pierce some time ago for new people who have >> not seen this information. (I miss Darryl) >> Note the Max’s Church is F.U.C.K - First Universal Christian >> Kingdom which should be a dead giveaway that s/he is not >> a serious Christian to begin with. >> For Max’s opinion under his own name >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6fcthu%24epo%241%40nnrp1.crl.com… t >=gplain >> The post that outed him in November of 1998 >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:krishna%40crl.crl.com&hl=en&… b >=b&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny=1995&as_maxd=10&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=1999&rn u m >=1&selm=73825s%24gs2%241%40nnrp1.crl.com >> Newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions, alt.christnet.nudism >> What the pope’s family did is a well known fact, and not >> just my opinion. Look in any reputable biography. The pope >> himself wasn’t personally involved, but his cousins were. >> Mother Hickey of Dallas -|- >> First Universal Christian Kingdom | >> :>—OVERVIEW OF THE PROBLEM BEING ADDRESSED— >> :> >> :>On or around 29SEP98, a user caller "herself" "Penny Cillin" >> :>Henrietta Hickey" then finally "Mother Henrietta Hickey", began >> :>posting to alt.circumcision, alt.parenting.solutions, and alt.atheism >> :>what can only be considered trollish and deliberately inflammatory >> :>messages. The NNTP servers used have almost always been ones operated >> :>by CR Laboratories (this can be verified by searching DejaNews at >> :> >> :>Trolls abound in the Usenet, as everyone knows. Normally they post for >> :>a short time and then either disappear or switch to a different >> :>newsgroup. This one, however, has been posting and crossposting to >> :>groups like alt.circumcision, alt.parenting.solutions, >> :>alt.christnet.nudism, alt.atheism and others. >> :> >> :>A few samples of the types of messages posted by "Mother Hickey": >> :> >> :>—8<[snip]— >> :>Organization: Hotmail, USA >> :>Newsgroups: alt.christnet.nudism >> :> >> :> Why do you people go on heaping abuse on me? I’m here to help >> :>lead you to Heaven, not to make you angry. It’s unfortunate that >> :>you’re all so deeply steeped in many and various sins that you can’t >> :>recognize a helping hand when itr’s extended to you. >> :> I’m not here to stir up trouble, and I don’t care whether any >> :>of you respond to me or not. If you don’t want to hear the Gospel >> :>Message I preach, then by all means ignore it, or read it without >> :>commenting on it. You’ll find out if you haven’t already that I >> :>couldn’t care less what anybody but GOD thinks about me, and He has >> :>alrteady blessed my Usenet ministry. I have led dozens of people out >> :>of the dark caves of bad parenting and flesh worship and into the >> :>Light of Salvation through Christ Jesus. >> :> The problem for you is that deep inside you know I’m right and >> :>it’s only the devil who’s got you convinced I’m a troll. I’m not >> :>trolling for anything. I’m merely sharing the Good News with those >> :>who WANT to hear it. >> :> >> :> >> :>Repent NOW! >> :>This could be your last offer! >> :> >> :>Mother Hickey of Dallas >> :>—8<[snip]— >> :>Organization: Hotmail, USA >> :>Newsgroups: alt.circumcision >> :> >> :> I certainly would never shake hands with an uncircumcised man >> :>– and yes, I do ask if I can’t SMELL from the start, which I usually >> :>can. >> :> I was going to leave you all to your silly little arguments. >> :>I see you couldn’t STOP talking about me! Well, thanks for the >> :>invitation back!! >> :> I don’t know about you, but I’m not a fish. What an idiotic >> :>analogy! >> :> >> :> >> :>Penny Cillin -|- >> :>Servant of God | >> :>—8<[snip]— >> :> >> :>Similar inflammatory messages calling for circumcision based solely on >> :>divine grounds in alt.circumcision (where the debate is already heated >> :>enough), or condemning people to hell in alt.atheism, or condoning >> :>ritual child abuse in alt.parenting.solutions have been posted by this >> :>person. An example of the messages calling for abuse (please pay >> :>particular attention to point #9): >> :> >> :>—8<[snip]— >> :>Organization: Hotmail, USA >> :>Newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions >> :> >> :>Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a >> :>few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright. >> :> >> :>1) If you’re a Christian, do celebrate Christmas. Decorate your house >> :>to welcome the Coming King to Earth. If you’re not a Christian, don’t >> :> >> :>celebrate Christmas. You’re free to celebrate the Norse Yule or the >> :>Roman Saturnalia or some other such pagan gluttons’ feast that >> :>glorifies how much damage Satan has done in the world. I’m not >> :>speaking of the Jews — I’m a Black Jew myself. I see no reason why >> :>Christians shouldn’t celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas, since it >> :>was during Hanukkah that Jesus revealed Himself to be God (John >> :>10:22-30). It is my opinion that the Disciples were planning to >> :>celebrate His Birthday when Jesus startled them with another of His >> :>Wondrous Divine Revelations. Praise the Lord! >> :> >> :>2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren’t too >> :>gaudy. Your home or office shouldn’t look like a bar. Forgo the >> :>reindeer, the sleigh, the elves (including the "jolly old" elf Santa >> :>Claus), the snowmen (especially the mechanical ones that move — >> :>they’re downright demonic), the Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype), >> :>the dollar signs, the milk maids, the harem girls, and Tiny Tim. Soft >> :>pedal the tinsel and the blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit >> :>creche, a stable, fresh straw, camels, horses, sheep, shepherds, wise >> :>men, gold, frankincense, myrrh, Joseph and Mary (as long as they’re >> :>not too idolatrous — Mary shouldn’t be weeping or holding her arms >> :>out to starving Third World children — the Star of Bethlehem, and >> :>angelic choirs. Bells are fine — they announce the Coming of the >> :>King. Colored orbs are out — they’re pagan. A plaster figurine of >> :>King Herod that the kids can throw rocks at is optional. A spinning >> :>reindeer is utterly abominable. >> :> >> :>3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show >> :>that the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is >> :>ruled by Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin. >> :> >> :>4) Don’t spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two >> :> >> :>per person will suffice, and shouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg. >> :>Don’t go into debt at Christmastime. Believers are indebted to God, >> :>not to mortal man. Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy >> :>Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed. >> :>Invite a family of homeless derelicts to your home to sit down and sup >> :> >> :>with
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And, Mother Keesha/ Grandmother Hickey, or whatever you call yourself today, >if you are reading this, please realize that although I respect and admire >your desire to turn people over to Christ, I need to tell you that you are >going about it entirely the wrong way, and you are giving Christianity a bad >name with your obvious prejudiced and warped views. I also read your website >and found a lot of good on it, even though I disagreed with much of what you >had written. You need to find a new forum for your "evangelical" mission!! > Charlene, Max is an atheist, not a Christian and his posts are > *intended* to give Christianity a bad name.. Did you read what I > posted all the way through? > Dorothy >…Charlene
Dorothy; Yes, I read your post all the way through, and from what I read it sounded like you (or someone, there were so many names I couldn’t quite keep them straight!) was saying that Max was one of her three or four aliases, so therefore they were actually her viewpoints. Guess I got mixed up. Anyway, I guess I was agreeing with Max, or whoever it was, who said that she was obviously a troll, since she certainly seemed to fit the bill to me anyway. I meant to say that SHE was giving Christianity a bad name, by saying that she belongs to the "one holy church", (a lot of Christians seem to believe that, even though we all believe in the same God and the same Christ, and basically stand for the same things!) by coming off as "holier than thou" which is also a huge turn-off to non-believers, and by displaying her warped views and twisted beliefs and trying to make them come off as biblically sound, which they certainly are NOT. Judgmental, bible thumping, in-your-face-Christians really get my goat simply because they do the opposite of what their intention may be. They rarely draw people to the church, and instead they reinforce a lot of stereotypes that people have about Christianity and Christians in general, and this is sad, IMO. — …Charlene <come visit my website, though it is in desperate need of updating!> http://family.krueger.ws/charlene fulltime stepmom to Kaitlin – 12 Bio mom to Danielle – 8, James – 2, and Courtney – 11 mos.
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