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> They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, although I > was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a source of > comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be comforted > by the breast. [] > Annemarie
That’s stupid, that’s just antisexual bullshit on your part. People like to suck on each other, it’s a good reflex! Steve
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> They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, although I > was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a source of > comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be comforted > by the breast. > [] > Annemarie > That’s stupid, that’s just antisexual bullshit on your part. > People like to suck on each other, it’s a good reflex! > Steve
Oh Steve stay in perspective. If breast is the only thing you use to comfort upset babies, it means that nobody else has a hope in heck of comforting them or looking after them other than their mother. Dads need to be able to look after their babies as well. It has absolutely nothing to do with sex. Annemarie
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Both of mine were/are bottle fed (with formula) and my daughter was easy as can be. My son was SO difficult. He had to be held ALL of the time. Then at about 4 months he liked being on the floor or in his bouncy chair. And things got MUCH easier. We have friends who do the Attachment Parenting thing. We HATE going to their house. Their baby whines constantly. She has to do everything holding the baby. It drives us (and the father of the baby). She 9 months old and sleeps for 3 hours at the longest. I would die. I think it’s the baby’s nature/temperament, not how or what they’re fed though that makes them good or bad natured. Later, Sophie mom to Charlotte (2 next week!) and Patrick (7 months)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, although > I > > was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a source > of > > comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be > comforted > > by the breast. > [] > > Annemarie > That’s stupid, that’s just antisexual bullshit on your part. > People like to suck on each other, it’s a good reflex! > Steve > Oh Steve stay in perspective. If breast is the only thing you use to > comfort upset babies, it means that nobody else has a hope in heck of > comforting them or looking after them other than their mother. Dads need to > be able to look after their babies as well. It has absolutely nothing to do > with sex. > Annemarie
If dad can’t change him or entertain him out of being upset then he needs a tit. If he’s hungry and older than a year he will respond to bribery with some other food he likes. Dad can’t grow tits, but if he can be bribed with something else then if it works it works. But cuddling never replaces the breast, whether its for nutrition or comfort sucking. If a pacifier doesn’t work then its a tit. That’s sort of unavoidable. Trying to cuddle a kid out of sucking is dumb and cruel. You’ll make him aware someone is keeping him from something and he will fixate on that and you’ll extend the problem beyond its natural course! Steve
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Hi! "SSgt. Dylan W. McGehee" wrote …….:my daughter was easy as can be. My son was SO difficult. He had to be held ALL of the time. Yup! That’s boys for you! ;~) We have friends who do the Attachment Parenting thing. We HATE going to their house. Their baby whines constantly. Yes – some do. But think how much noisier it would be if they just left it in it’s cot! AP babies cry *less* than babies brought up in non- traditional ways. This particular baby was probably the kind that screamed until it went navy blue if not held in a sling! It’s a shame the poor mother didn’t have the support of her partner – it’s very hard to bring up a baby when you have a husband who wants ‘mothering’ too! She must have been exhausted! I think it’s the baby’s nature/temperament, not how or what they’re fed Exactly. Babies are born with personalities. It’s up to us to welcome them and love them, whoever they happen to be! It helps a *lot* if our friends and families tell us we are doing well, and that our babies are gorgeous. Kay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Later, Sophie > mom to Charlotte (2 next week!) and Patrick (7 months)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, although > I > > > was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a source > of > > > comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be > comforted > > > by the breast. > > [] > > > Annemarie > > That’s stupid, that’s just antisexual bullshit on your part. > > People like to suck on each other, it’s a good reflex! > > Steve > Oh Steve stay in perspective. If breast is the only thing you use to > comfort upset babies, it means that nobody else has a hope in heck of > comforting them or looking after them other than their mother. Dads need to > be able to look after their babies as well. It has absolutely nothing to do > with sex. > Annemarie > If dad can’t change him or entertain him out of being upset then he > needs a tit. If he’s hungry and older than a year he will respond to > bribery with some other food he likes. Dad can’t grow tits, but if he > can be bribed with something else then if it works it works. > But cuddling never replaces the breast, whether its for nutrition or > comfort sucking. If a pacifier doesn’t work then its a tit. That’s sort > of unavoidable. Trying to cuddle a kid out of sucking is dumb and cruel. > You’ll make him aware someone is keeping him from something and he will > fixate on that and you’ll extend the problem beyond its natural course! > Steve
You are missunderstanding me. I have seen women, and everytime their baby makes a noise, they shove a breast in its mouth to shut it up. I’m saying don’t do that. Of course if hungry feed. I demand fed our babies, yet as an example, when I knew they were not hungry, but were still scratchy, I comforted them with cuddles, with back rubs with all sorts, instead of just breast. Annemarie
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Well at 9months of age that is a developmental milestone and this is when seperation anxiety occurs. This has nothing to do if the child was breast or bottle fed. The reaction of whining cleary shows that he is insecure in his NEW surrounding and by him wanting to be held then wanting to be put down shows his confusion and anxieties all the more in my own opinion. Also, each child is unique in its own individual way and to compare to one another is very unfair to the child. Also, the child may be sensing tensions from you and dislikes of his whininess and this may enhance his own anxieties and insecurities of being in your home and not w/in the surroundings of his home and w/his parents. Also, why would it matter if the mother has weaned him from the breast or not??? At 9months do you think a child needs to be weaned from the breast already??? I mean kids are to remain on formula to at least 12 months of age…so why not the breast??? Also to anyone that is a believer and reads the bible there are several scriptures that talk about "Just as the Breast comfort you, so will I" …so cleary this shows to me since I am a believer that the Breast are more than nutrition..they are to comfort children as well. That is my .02cents worth! Have a good day! Just a site to check out on ages that children go through seperation anxieties would be www.drpaula.com Post the question and get your reply w/in 24 hours and know that this wasn’t just made up by me about the seperation anxiety bit. =0) Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Nine months old is a typical age for separation anxiety mixed with a new found ability to explore whether it be walking, crawling, etc. They want to go out and explore but then they realize they still need that feeling of protection also. This age reminds me of the preteen years also!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been wondering about something after having been a babysitter for > someone else’s child for the past couple of days. > Are children that are breastfed typically so clingy and needy as opposed to > other children who are not breastfed and, rather, bottlefed (and not always > with mother’s milk)? > Our son is 26 months now and I had him and a 9-month old boy for the past > couple of days and, I swear, EVERY TIME you even look away from this kid, > he’s screaming like it’s the end of thr world. He always wants to be picked > up and held, but the trouble is when you do pick him up, he wants down as > quickly as he got up. Then he wants UP again. Geez! He does attend > Catholic church, so it could be that. :) Just kidding. > And I thought Noah was a pill at times. We’ve got it EASY with him. He > (Noah) was never like this, even at 9 months!!! > AJPDLA
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> >We will. What would be your problem with that? I don’t mean as somebody >who feels really old and crippled or anything. I mean how about a body >at about age 16 with the brains you have now and much more! >Steve > I want what he’s having. > Cathy
Now imagine an improved body with highly ENHANCED sensory-sexual capability and a larger brain with higher resolution brain and tactile, visual, olfactory and auditory senses!!! And one that doesn’t wear out!! And one that can allow direct telecom data backup of the functioning mind in realtime to numerous scattered databases where in the case of the body being destroyed in say, a supernova, you can be remotely reconstituted in a day or so; regrown in a tank and be mentally reimbued into a new body and you wake up and say, "Boy I really died good THAT time, eh??? This seems to be the next coming thing once we get a hold on our DNA and nanites, and the info-science origins of our minds. We may ALWAYS FOREVER look back on the next 50 years as the last time anybody died this young!! Steve ;->
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> I’ve been wondering about something after having been a babysitter for > someone else’s child for the past couple of days. > Are children that are breastfed typically so clingy and needy as opposed to > other children who are not breastfed and, rather, bottlefed (and not always > with mother’s milk)?
No! > Our son is 26 months now and I had him and a 9-month old boy for the past > couple of days and, I swear, EVERY TIME you even look away from this kid, > he’s screaming like it’s the end of thr world. He always wants to be picked > up and held, but the trouble is when you do pick him up, he wants down as > quickly as he got up. Then he wants UP again. Geez! He does attend > Catholic church, so it could be that. :) Just kidding. > AJPDLA
A 9-month old is just getting into the subtleties of existing. That age is for the first time aware of people disappearing and contemplating where they might go and for how long. The 8-12 month old is a "worrier", goes with the territory. You may have forgotten. If you got a kid fresh from being summarily weaned off the breast then the mother did you a HUGE disservice making you handle this now lost kid!!!If he is up and down maybe he is screaming for somebody else and YOU’RE not HER!! Steve
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> A 9-month old is just getting into the subtleties of existing. That age > is for the first time aware of people disappearing and contemplating > where they might go and for how long. The 8-12 month old is a "worrier", > goes with the territory. You may have forgotten. If you got a kid fresh > from being summarily weaned off the breast then the mother did you a > HUGE disservice making you handle this now lost kid!!!If he is up and > down maybe he is screaming for somebody else and YOU’RE not HER!! > Steve
Agreed. However, the mother has not weaned this kid off of the breast as yet. I’m sure, yes, he just missed his Mommy. However – and I haven’t forgotten – my son was NEVER this clingy at 9 months. That’s all. And I’ll have a chance to "test" this theory of mine again as we’re due with our second come December. I’ll get back to you 9 months after that. AJPDLA
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> > In the meantime the test for us is how nice we can be to each other. > We’ll figure out how to live forever after while, I’m sure. > Steve > Oh God no, I’d hate to live forever!! I hope we never come to that!
We will. What would be your problem with that? I don’t mean as somebody who feels really old and crippled or anything. I mean how about a body at about age 16 with the brains you have now and much more! Steve
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>We will. What would be your problem with that? I don’t mean as somebody >who feels really old and crippled or anything. I mean how about a body >at about age 16 with the brains you have now and much more! >Steve
I want what he’s having. Cathy, Mom of Taylor 7, and Tiffany 4. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart! Never take a sleeping pill the same night you take a laxative.
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> The pediatrician-internal surgeon I went to as a baby and worked for in > high school was fond of telling people that any baby was bound to have > truly terrible dyspepsia and irritable bowels the whole first year of > life because it has to lay down with a full stomach all the time.
I didn’t know that – but it makes a lot of sense. What a helpful doctor! Just telling a new parent that could totally turn around their attitude to their baby. > In the meantime the test for us is how nice we can be to each other.
I’m ceratinly with you there! Kay
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi! > "SSgt. Dylan W. McGehee" wrote > …….:my daughter was easy as can be. My son was SO difficult. He had to be > held ALL of the time. > Yup! That’s boys for you! ;~) > We have friends who do the Attachment Parenting thing. We HATE going to their > house. Their baby whines constantly. > Yes – some do. But think how much noisier it would be if they just left it in > it’s cot! AP babies cry *less* than babies brought up in non- traditional > ways. This particular baby was probably the kind that screamed until it went > navy blue if not held in a sling! It’s a shame the poor mother didn’t have the > support of her partner – it’s very hard to bring up a baby when you have a > husband who wants ‘mothering’ too! She must have been exhausted! > I think it’s the baby’s nature/temperament, not how or what they’re fed > Exactly. Babies are born with personalities. It’s up to us to welcome them > and love them, whoever they happen to be! It helps a *lot* if our friends and > families tell us we are doing well, and that our babies are gorgeous. > Kay > The pediatrician-internal surgeon I went to as a baby and worked for in > high school was fond of telling people that any baby was bound to have > truly terrible dyspepsia and irritable bowels the whole first year of > life because it has to lay down with a full stomach all the time and its > guts simply don’t work right anyway for the first couple years!! Their > nerves aren’t grown and their intestinal system hasn’t learned the > habits that it needs to avoid that. So he said all you could do is > comfort them as much as possible and be glad when it’s over.
Amen to that! > AP is merely something you do to make that all a little better and > easier on them is all. People and their perfectionist ideals get deluded > into imagining that the human body if treated properly will surely work > perfectly. The human body never really quite works right no matter what > you do, it is not perfect and wasn’t really designed to be or we > wouldn’t reproduce, which is why we die after while. > In the meantime the test for us is how nice we can be to each other. > We’ll figure out how to live forever after while, I’m sure. > Steve
Oh God no, I’d hate to live forever!! I hope we never come to that!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi! > "SSgt. Dylan W. McGehee" wrote > …….:my daughter was easy as can be. My son was SO difficult. He had to be > held ALL of the time. > Yup! That’s boys for you! ;~) > We have friends who do the Attachment Parenting thing. We HATE going to their > house. Their baby whines constantly. > Yes – some do. But think how much noisier it would be if they just left it in > it’s cot! AP babies cry *less* than babies brought up in non- traditional > ways. This particular baby was probably the kind that screamed until it went > navy blue if not held in a sling! It’s a shame the poor mother didn’t have the > support of her partner – it’s very hard to bring up a baby when you have a > husband who wants ‘mothering’ too! She must have been exhausted! > I think it’s the baby’s nature/temperament, not how or what they’re fed > Exactly. Babies are born with personalities. It’s up to us to welcome them > and love them, whoever they happen to be! It helps a *lot* if our friends and > families tell us we are doing well, and that our babies are gorgeous. > Kay
The pediatrician-internal surgeon I went to as a baby and worked for in high school was fond of telling people that any baby was bound to have truly terrible dyspepsia and irritable bowels the whole first year of life because it has to lay down with a full stomach all the time and its guts simply don’t work right anyway for the first couple years!! Their nerves aren’t grown and their intestinal system hasn’t learned the habits that it needs to avoid that. So he said all you could do is comfort them as much as possible and be glad when it’s over. AP is merely something you do to make that all a little better and easier on them is all. People and their perfectionist ideals get deluded into imagining that the human body if treated properly will surely work perfectly. The human body never really quite works right no matter what you do, it is not perfect and wasn’t really designed to be or we wouldn’t reproduce, which is why we die after while. In the meantime the test for us is how nice we can be to each other. We’ll figure out how to live forever after while, I’m sure. Steve
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, > although > > I > > > > was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a > source > > of > > > > comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be > > comforted > > > > by the breast. > > > [] > > > > Annemarie > > > That’s stupid, that’s just antisexual bullshit on your part. > > > People like to suck on each other, it’s a good reflex! > > > Steve > > Oh Steve stay in perspective. If breast is the only thing you use to > > comfort upset babies, it means that nobody else has a hope in heck of > > comforting them or looking after them other than their mother. Dads > need to > > be able to look after their babies as well. It has absolutely nothing > to do > > with sex. > > Annemarie > If dad can’t change him or entertain him out of being upset then he > needs a tit. If he’s hungry and older than a year he will respond to > bribery with some other food he likes. Dad can’t grow tits, but if he > can be bribed with something else then if it works it works. > But cuddling never replaces the breast, whether its for nutrition or > comfort sucking. If a pacifier doesn’t work then its a tit. That’s sort > of unavoidable. Trying to cuddle a kid out of sucking is dumb and cruel. > You’ll make him aware someone is keeping him from something and he will > fixate on that and you’ll extend the problem beyond its natural course! > Steve > You are missunderstanding me. I have seen women, and everytime their baby > makes a noise, they shove a breast in its mouth to shut it up. I’m saying > don’t do that. Of course if hungry feed. I demand fed our babies, yet as > an example, when I knew they were not hungry, but were still scratchy, I > comforted them with cuddles, with back rubs with all sorts, instead of just > breast. > Annemarie
If the baby doesn’t want a tit at the moment he’ll push it away. But it is the most often need so it’s good to try it first. There is no sense in merely teaching a child to cry by depriving them. Anyway, when they are interested they will respond to being played with while nursing and will sometimes push the tit away and giggle at you if you do something funny, whereas if they are intently hungry they will close their eyes when nursing. It’s fine to rub them and play with their fingers while nursing if they will let you. Talking and singing is fine too. Steve
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Hi! Congratulations on the most subtle but effective flame-bait I have ever read! Now duck! Kay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been wondering about something after having been a babysitter for > someone else’s child for the past couple of days. > Are children that are breastfed typically so clingy and needy as opposed to > other children who are not breastfed and, rather, bottlefed (and not always > with mother’s milk)? > Our son is 26 months now and I had him and a 9-month old boy for the past > couple of days and, I swear, EVERY TIME you even look away from this kid, > he’s screaming like it’s the end of thr world. He always wants to be picked > up and held, but the trouble is when you do pick him up, he wants down as > quickly as he got up. Then he wants UP again. Geez! He does attend > Catholic church, so it could be that. :) Just kidding. > And I thought Noah was a pill at times. We’ve got it EASY with him. He > (Noah) was never like this, even at 9 months!!! > AJPDLA
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They are all different. BF does not make them more like that, although I was careful when BFing to use cuddles etc and not the breast as a source of comfort, because I have seen babies/young children who can only be comforted by the breast. Our two were very different, one was big and sleepy and easy, unless he didn’t get enough sleep. The other was wide awake, and only slept at night from about a month old. She needed entertaining. Good luck for your number 2 baby. Annemarie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been wondering about something after having been a babysitter for > someone else’s child for the past couple of days. > Are children that are breastfed typically so clingy and needy as opposed to > other children who are not breastfed and, rather, bottlefed (and not always > with mother’s milk)? > Our son is 26 months now and I had him and a 9-month old boy for the past > couple of days and, I swear, EVERY TIME you even look away from this kid, > he’s screaming like it’s the end of thr world. He always wants to be picked > up and held, but the trouble is when you do pick him up, he wants down as > quickly as he got up. Then he wants UP again. Geez! He does attend > Catholic church, so it could be that. :) Just kidding. > And I thought Noah was a pill at times. We’ve got it EASY with him. He > (Noah) was never like this, even at 9 months!!! > AJPDLA
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I’ve been wondering about something after having been a babysitter for someone else’s child for the past couple of days. Are children that are breastfed typically so clingy and needy as opposed to other children who are not breastfed and, rather, bottlefed (and not always with mother’s milk)? Our son is 26 months now and I had him and a 9-month old boy for the past couple of days and, I swear, EVERY TIME you even look away from this kid, he’s screaming like it’s the end of thr world. He always wants to be picked up and held, but the trouble is when you do pick him up, he wants down as quickly as he got up. Then he wants UP again. Geez! He does attend Catholic church, so it could be that. :) Just kidding. And I thought Noah was a pill at times. We’ve got it EASY with him. He (Noah) was never like this, even at 9 months!!! AJPDLA
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