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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and > hitting > > > >without > > > >> using spanking? > > > >We find time-outs work wonders. > > > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > > > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my > hand > > is > > > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room > and > > > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > > > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > > > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is > ineffective > > > as well. > > When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it > is > > now. > Actually, Steve has indicated that he has 2 grown children, on several > occasions. Now, is this PROOF that he has kids? Well, no…. but then > all > of us would be in question wouldn’t we? If you wish to dog Steve about > something, you might want to choose something more factual about him > instead > of this ridiculous flood of posts you’re doing at the moment. > Whatever.
Hmmm. Now you sound like a teenager. Are you *sure* you have kids? > I have seen no evidence from Steve’s comments that he has any experience > with raising kids. His comments read like somebody who has opinions about > raising kids.
Perhaps that is the way you’ve decided to interpret him. > ANywho, he gave his opinion of my opinion, and I returned the favor. > If you don’t like my posts, feel free to killfile me. it’s no skin off my > nose.
Okay, I’ll toss you into the twit filter with Steve and the rest of the trolls parading around lately. You’ll have fun arguing with him in there, I’m sure. ~Nan~
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > >without > >> >using spanking? > >> "biting", not "bighting". > >> You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough > >that > >> he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is > precisely > >> what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, > so > >> they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. > >> Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. > >Another stupid opinion based on nothing. > Based on having done it with two kids and perceiving correctly why they > were doing it. > Biting a two year old is stupid and abusive. > Advice such as that is why I doubt you ever raised any children at all. > >Abusing kids is wrong and it is bad parenting. > That’s not abuse. Coercion against their rights IS! > They don’t have the right to bite others. > Uh, yeah, two year olds understand that one. > Call back when you actually meet a two year old.
You assume that everyone’s children are average. It’s possible, that at 2, Steve’s children had a socio-emotional ability that was advanced beyond other kids their age. My 17 month old understands things way beyond her age. When I intervene with a situation that is dangerous to her, I will pick her up and explain how she can get hurt. 9 times out of 10 she won’t do it again. I think that’s pretty good. But parenting styles have to be adjusted to the capabilities of a child. You do not parent a child above their scope of understanding, and nor do you parent them *below* their scope of understanding. Sherrie — Momma to Madison Marie (10/18/00) and Nicholas Luke (10/17/01) Cafe Mom–Information, Humor and Inspiration For Moms, By Moms www.cafemom.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >As if you had an y parenting experience……. > You can’t read, eh? My kids are 28 and 25, AS YOU WELL KNOW BY NOW! > Oh, right, I BELIEVE YOU. not
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > >without > >> >using spanking? > >> "biting", not "bighting". > >> You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough > >that > >> he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is >precisely > >> what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, >so > >> they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. > >> Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. > >Another stupid opinion based on nothing. > Based on having done it with two kids and perceiving correctly why they > were doing it. >Biting a two year old is stupid and abusive.
Noooo, in this case it is restrained and instructive. The two year old really does not know if adults feel pain. This is him experimenting to answer that question. This is not a child who is biting to hurt, this is a child biting coyly to find out something. >Advice such as that is why I doubt you ever raised any children at all.
That’s because as a parent you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing. > >Abusing kids is wrong and it is bad parenting. > That’s not abuse. Coercion against their rights IS! > They don’t have the right to bite others. >Uh, yeah, two year olds understand that one.
Yes, Piaget says that two year olds understand reciprocity!! >Call back when you actually meet a two year old.
I’ve raised two two-year olds to adulthood, which is more than YOU’VE ever done, jerkoff. > >As if you had an y parenting experience……. > You can’t read, eh? My kids are 28 and 25, AS YOU WELL KNOW BY NOW! >Oh, right, I BELIEVE YOU. not
This is a fact, NOT something subject to your "belief". Your belief is irrelevant! Steve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and > hitting > > > >without > > > >> using spanking? > > > >We find time-outs work wonders. > > > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > > > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my > hand > > is > > > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room > and > > > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > > > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > > > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is > ineffective > > > as well. > > When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it > is > > now. > Actually, Steve has indicated that he has 2 grown children, on several > occasions. Now, is this PROOF that he has kids? Well, no…. but then > all > of us would be in question wouldn’t we? If you wish to dog Steve about > something, you might want to choose something more factual about him > instead > of this ridiculous flood of posts you’re doing at the moment. > Whatever. > I have seen no evidence from Steve’s comments that he has any experience > with raising kids. His comments read like somebody who has opinions about > raising kids. > ANywho, he gave his opinion of my opinion, and I returned the favor. > If you don’t like my posts, feel free to killfile me. it’s no skin off my > nose.
Ummm…actually what you’re saying is that you see no evidence that Steve has children because his parenting views are different from yours…just because he doesn’t agree with *your* parenting theories, it is not a testimant to the idea that he doesn’t actually have children himself. Just to play devil’s advocate it would be very easy for a parent who believes in spanking that *you* must not be a parent, since they have found spanking to be more effective than not….do you see where I’m going here??? And it’s been my experience that most who don’t have children, but have opinions about child-rearing are usually the ones who say things like…"someone needs to put that kid in check,….I can’t believe that those parents don’t have any control…." etc. You won’t find Steve saying anything even close to that…. JMHO Sherrie — Momma to Madison Marie (10/18/00) and Nicholas Luke (10/17/01) Cafe Mom–Information, Humor and Inspiration For Moms, By Moms www.cafemom.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ~Nan~
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > >> >without > >> >> using spanking? > >> >We find time-outs work wonders. > >> >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > >> >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my >hand > >is > >> >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room >and > >> >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > >> >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > >> Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is >ineffective > >> as well. > >When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is > >now. > You can’t read, can you? My kids are 28 and 25. And I raised then in the > manner I promote around here. You were told that, yesterday, TWICE!! >1) You incorrectly presume that I read your posts. I usually dont bother
You say this in spite of posting upon my posts!? How ignorant are you? >2) You incorrectly presume I believe anything you say.
I don’t assume you believe me, that would show your weakness and you could never tolerate that, could you, "big man"? >Have a nice day, baby.
Gradeschool-level retort. How ignorant. And you claim to be a parent?? Sick! You’re a child trying to raise children! Steve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and >hitting > > > >without > > > >> using spanking? > > > >We find time-outs work wonders. > > > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > > > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my >hand > > is > > > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room > and > > > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > > > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > > > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is > ineffective > > > as well. > > When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it >is > > now. > Actually, Steve has indicated that he has 2 grown children, on several > occasions. Now, is this PROOF that he has kids? Well, no…. but then >all > of us would be in question wouldn’t we? If you wish to dog Steve about > something, you might want to choose something more factual about him >instead > of this ridiculous flood of posts you’re doing at the moment. >Whatever. >I have seen no evidence from Steve’s comments that he has any experience >with raising kids.
That’s nothing but a coy way of stating you disagree with me, as though YOU know something the rest of us don’t!! You don’t, you’re merely a vicious abused person who wishes to pass his abuse on to children. >His comments read like somebody who has opinions about >raising kids.
Gee, another coy way of pretending you know, rather than that you merely feel angry and vicious toward children. >ANywho, he gave his opinion of my opinion, and I returned the favor.
You’re playing at freshman-level sophistry. it’s not impressive. >If you don’t like my posts, feel free to killfile me. it’s no skin off my >nose.
You will probably wish to deny being affected by any criticism, perfectly characteristic of a vicious abused parent who wants to be left alone to abuse his children in "peace"! Too bad your kids don’t agree! Steve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting >without >> >using spanking? >> "biting", not "bighting". >> You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough >that >> he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is precisely >> what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, so >> they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. >> Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. >Another stupid opinion based on nothing. > Based on having done it with two kids and perceiving correctly why they > were doing it.
Biting a two year old is stupid and abusive. Advice such as that is why I doubt you ever raised any children at all. >Abusing kids is wrong and it is bad parenting. > That’s not abuse. Coercion against their rights IS! > They don’t have the right to bite others.
Uh, yeah, two year olds understand that one. Call back when you actually meet a two year old. >As if you had an y parenting experience……. > You can’t read, eh? My kids are 28 and 25, AS YOU WELL KNOW BY NOW!
Oh, right, I BELIEVE YOU. not
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting >> >without >> >> using spanking? >> >We find time-outs work wonders. >> >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. >> >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand >is >> >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and >> >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) >> >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. >> Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is ineffective >> as well. >When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is >now. > You can’t read, can you? My kids are 28 and 25. And I raised then in the > manner I promote around here. You were told that, yesterday, TWICE!!
1) You incorrectly presume that I read your posts. I usually dont bother 2) You incorrectly presume I believe anything you say. Have a nice day, baby. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > > >without > > >> using spanking? > > >We find time-outs work wonders. > > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand > is > > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room > and > > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is > ineffective > > as well. > When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is > now. > Actually, Steve has indicated that he has 2 grown children, on several > occasions. Now, is this PROOF that he has kids? Well, no…. but then all > of us would be in question wouldn’t we? If you wish to dog Steve about > something, you might want to choose something more factual about him instead > of this ridiculous flood of posts you’re doing at the moment.
Whatever. I have seen no evidence from Steve’s comments that he has any experience with raising kids. His comments read like somebody who has opinions about raising kids. ANywho, he gave his opinion of my opinion, and I returned the favor. If you don’t like my posts, feel free to killfile me. it’s no skin off my nose. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ~Nan~
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting >without > >using spanking? > "biting", not "bighting". > You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough >that > he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is precisely > what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, so > they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. > Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. >Another stupid opinion based on nothing.
Based on having done it with two kids and perceiving correctly why they were doing it. >Abusing kids is wrong and it is bad parenting.
That’s not abuse. Coercion against their rights IS! They don’t have the right to bite others. >As if you had an y parenting experience…….
You can’t read, eh? My kids are 28 and 25, AS YOU WELL KNOW BY NOW! Steve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > >without > >> using spanking? > >We find time-outs work wonders. > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand >is > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is ineffective > as well. >When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is >now.
You can’t read, can you? My kids are 28 and 25. And I raised then in the manner I promote around here. You were told that, yesterday, TWICE!! Steve
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> >How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without >using spanking? > "biting", not "bighting". > You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough that > he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is precisely > what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, so > they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. > Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger.
Another stupid opinion based on nothing. Abusing kids is wrong and it is bad parenting. As if you had an y parenting experience…….
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting > >without > >> using spanking? > >We find time-outs work wonders. > >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. > >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand > is > >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and > >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) > >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is ineffective > as well. > When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is > now.
Actually, Steve has indicated that he has 2 grown children, on several occasions. Now, is this PROOF that he has kids? Well, no…. but then all of us would be in question wouldn’t we? If you wish to dog Steve about something, you might want to choose something more factual about him instead of this ridiculous flood of posts you’re doing at the moment. ~Nan~
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> My two kids (now 28 and 25) didn’t bite other kids first, but they bit BACK!! > They were taught never to dominate, only to defend!
Yeah, right. 28 and 25, huh. Artists, too? Are they as worthless, inept, impotent and stupid as you, Stevie? And, yeah, my kids are leaders, not limp-wristed followers. — Jim
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> My two kids (now 28 and 25) didn’t bite other kids first, but they bit > BACK!! > They were taught never to dominate, only to defend! > Yeah, right. 28 and 25, huh. Artists, too? Are they as worthless, inept, > impotent and stupid as you, Stevie? > And, yeah, my kids are leaders, not limp-wristed followers. > — > Jim
If you are implying that leaders are dominators, you’re sadly mistaken Jim. Dominators are insecure and feel the need to dominate others to put themselves in a higher position so that they are able to momentarily feel better about themselves. The great leaders of the world know the importance of working *with* people rather than dominating them. In fact, history has shown that individuals of a domineering personality are, in the long run, defeated…for example Hitler, who dominated, was defeated, then died in the most cowardly way possible…by his own hand. Sherrie — Momma to Madison Marie (10/18/00) and Nicholas Luke (10/17/01) Cafe Mom–Information, Humor and Inspiration For Moms, By Moms www.cafemom.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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>> My two kids (now 28 and 25) didn’t bite other kids first, but they bit >BACK!! > They were taught never to dominate, only to defend! >Yeah, right. 28 and 25, huh. Artists, too?
He’s a computer animation artist-programmer. She’s a medical research IT professional. >Are they as worthless, inept, >impotent and stupid as you, Stevie?
They each one make more money than YOU do, jerk, YOU figure it out! >And, yeah, my kids are leaders, not limp-wristed followers. >Jim
Yeah, sure, after you got done abusing them? Not fucking likely! STeve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting >without >> using spanking? >We find time-outs work wonders. >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand is >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. > Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is ineffective > as well.
When you have kids your opinion willl be of bit more interest than it is now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve
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>> Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. When he bites down you > bite down a little bit, when he releases you release, >As usual, you took the issue completely out of context, dumbass. She’s >asking how to stop her child from biting other kids. You’d know that if you >actually ever raised kids.
My two kids (now 28 and 25) didn’t bite other kids first, but they bit BACK!! They were taught never to dominate, only to defend! >To the original poster, biting is a perfectly natural phase most children go >through while learning how to interact with their surroundings. They will >stop when they discover different ways of getting what they want.
Not at two. That’s at three and four. >Yeah, sometimes it can be a sign of disturbance or frustration but, assuming >your kid and your family are "normal," I’d brush it off. It will pass very >soon. If not, the worse thing that could happen is that this kid will learn >to dominate his world and become Ruler of Earth one day. Either way, >oppressing normal dominant behavior is not necessary unless the child’s >welfare is in danger.
True dominant behavior ONLY occurs because of abuse at home! >Either that, or teach all the other kids in the world our village >idiot’s–Steve–method. >Jim
In other words you like your kid beating up other kids, as we imagined you would, all neurotic immature criminals who are that way because they were harmed in childhood believe in such garbage. Steve
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> Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. When he bites down you > bite down a little bit, when he releases you release,
As usual, you took the issue completely out of context, dumbass. She’s asking how to stop her child from biting other kids. You’d know that if you actually ever raised kids. To the original poster, biting is a perfectly natural phase most children go through while learning how to interact with their surroundings. They will stop when they discover different ways of getting what they want. Yeah, sometimes it can be a sign of disturbance or frustration but, assuming your kid and your family are "normal," I’d brush it off. It will pass very soon. If not, the worse thing that could happen is that this kid will learn to dominate his world and become Ruler of Earth one day. Either way, oppressing normal dominant behavior is not necessary unless the child’s welfare is in danger. Either that, or teach all the other kids in the world our village idiot’s–Steve–method. — Jim
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>> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting >without > using spanking? >We find time-outs work wonders. >Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. >Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand is >walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and >make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) >BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective.
Now you just have to come to the realization that bullying is ineffective as well. Steve
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> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without > using spanking?
We find time-outs work wonders. Two years old = two minutes in a time out area. Our 4 year old will change the worst behavior if I mention that my hand is walking down stairs to hit the timer (I stick my arm out of the room and make noises like m hand is walking independently down the stops) BTW, From experience I consider spanking to be totally ineffective. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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>How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without >using spanking?
"biting", not "bighting". You don’t. You realize that you are sufficiently large and fast enough that he can’t hurt you anyway. But this apparent invulnerability is precisely what makes two year olds wonder if they’re the only one who gets hurt, so they want to find out. That’s why two year olds bite you. Then you let him bite you and you bite HIS finger. When he bites down you bite down a little bit, when he releases you release, and just hard enough that he gets the connection that when he bites down, his finger hurts in direct proportion to his bite pressure on you. Pretty soon he’ll get the joke and giggle. That’s when he is becoming sure that you know how he hurts and that you can be hurt too, which is what he has been getting at by biting. He will then do it a couple more times and you must do the same, each time ending in giggles together, and then he’ll be fine. Smile at him. He just wants to know if only kids hurt and whether grown ups ever hurt, because they never act like they do. Steve
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How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without using spanking?
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> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without > using spanking?
Toddlers often bite, hit and pinch and use other physical expressions of emotions because they do not know more appropriate expressions. Teach the toddler first the name of what they are feeling [you seem to be angry right now]. Then teach the toddler alternate ways of expressing themselves. [ie: hit the couch cushion, say I'm mad, etc.]. The physical expressions will diminish as they learn other methods. But, children are children and are only practicing to be adult. They will slip and have bad hair days and we should help them through those moments. -Aula
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> How does one stop a two year old from bighting, pinching and hitting without > using spanking?
Well, I see three seperate things here… Biting is either teething or frustration. For teething, then make sure she/he has whatever you use to soothe the pain. Biting out of anger, I’ve bitten back gently and explained that ‘This hurts!" With both children I have only ever had to do that once. Pinching? That’s some serious fine motor skills right there. Also something that *must* have been seen by or done to this child, because I have never seen it as a natural reaction to anger or frustration. With hitting, it all has to do with intent. My daughter learned that hitting her older brother was great fun – she wasn’t doing it out of anger, but to get a reaction from him. We just taught her that she can get a better reaction by touching or hugging him instead of hitting. She’s gone after us a couple of times out of anger and either ‘That hurts Mommy, we don’t hit!" or time out has worked fine for us. Sedona
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