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>PLONK!
Another fool who imagines poking their own eyes out with hot sticks makes that funny noise. Steve
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@spamfreeangelfire.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day > about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more > kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may > not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for > comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. > Best. > Jennifer Henderson
My kids are too young to know about bb guns–I’m hoping they don’t ask for them, to be quite honest, even though my brother and I had them when we were teens. Anyway, I wanted to comment about the 40/40 Club site you mentioned. It’s outrageous. My wife and I had a great laugh after checking out the video’s and taking sex quiz. The abstinence part didn’t work, but, oh well. Good luck. Dave
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: Correct Cecelia. : : In my earlier post when I said "Canada has far fewer guns", I meant it in : the sense that there are far fewer people with guns in Canada that regarding : them as a use to "protect" themselves. I grew up in the Ottawa Valley, and : certainly most kids in their early teens, including myself, went partridge : or duck hunting. Lot’s more went deer or moose hunting. However, the gun is : seen to children here as a tool to enjoying the sport of hunting – not to : fire a BB gun at small animals, and certainly not for protection. : : dave Where did you draw the inference that this woman was going to teach her daughter to fire a BB gun at small animals or use it for protection? Oh. Sorry. You put words in her mouth and built a strawman. Karen : :> That’s not actually entirely true. I live in Northern Canada…the far : north. : :
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: I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this : subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, : boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor : does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to : target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with : this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target : practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on : this? : : Susan To learn how to handle a gun properly. that a gun is NOT a toy. A BB gun used with proper safety glasses and handling techniques is an excellent way to learn the very basics of gun safety. i.e. assume every gun is loaded, the fact that guns should not be pointed at anything the shooter does not wish to fire at, etc. etc. She may have decided, however, that a gun with LETHAL force is not something _at this time_ she wishes to expose her children to. Karen
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: You are probably American. Only in the USA are guns of any kind given to : children. I would not give my child a gun. Tell her guns are not something : you approve of, then don’t get her one case closed. LOL! Aren’t you hallucinating? This woman didn’t say she didn’t approve of guns. She DOES. Karen
:> Your situation reminds me of a movie. I think it is called "A Christmas :> Story". It is about a little boy and all he wants for Christmas is a bb :> gun. Everyone says to him, "you’ll shoot your eye out!" Well, he finally :> gets one and he shoots…well, you will just have to see the movie to find :> out what happens. :> :> Anyway, I don’t have any experiences with bb guns. My two older brothers :> had air rifles when they were about that age. But, I think that if you : are :> not opposed to her having one, and that you are confident that she could :> learn to use one safely, then I think it would be ok. Just curious, but : why :> does she want one? Is it because the other kids have one? What do they : do :> with them? :> :> cheers! :> Jennifer :> :> > Hello: :> > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of :> > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My :> > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers :> > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve :> > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the :> > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking :> > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, :> > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the :> > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on :> > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed :> > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar :> > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day :> > about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more :> > kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may :> > not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for :> > comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. :> > :> > Best. :> > Jennifer Henderson :> :> : :
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: Hello: : I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of : a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My : daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers : and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve : turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the : traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking : ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, : under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the : neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on : one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed : since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar : experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day : about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more : kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may : not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for : comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. : : Best. : Jennifer Henderson By all means, if she’s shown responsibility, and you have a good place to practise, get her the BB gun and allow her to use it under supervision. Far better that she learn respect and proper gun handling than cower in fear of an unknown…or be easy prey for gun-grabbers who lie about 2nd amendment rights. Knowledge is power. You say things have changed. Yes and no. Our right to protect ourselves remains. Our right to sport exists. What has changed is MORE parents becoming unfit to parent. Children are not universally taught moral values. It sounds like you were raised right, and your daughter too. Letting her learn proper gun handling is appropriate. Karen
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>> She’s probably a lesbian, and even if she isn’t get her a damned bb gun. > And leave her the hell alone about it. Shit, you had one! Jeezus, if they > fuck the neighbor boys you moan and if they don’t you moan! > Steve >What the hell is wrong with you Dick? >getting your jollies off? >Pat
You’ve gotta do something around here, honestly! Steve
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day > about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more > kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may > not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for > comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. > Best. > Jennifer Henderson
If you have experience with how to teach her safe practices, and she is mature enough to handle it responsibly… What is the dilemma? As long as you are strict about supervision and safety, go for it. Pat
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> She’s probably a lesbian, and even if she isn’t get her a damned bb gun. > And leave her the hell alone about it. Shit, you had one! Jeezus, if they > fuck the neighbor boys you moan and if they don’t you moan! > Steve
What the hell is wrong with you Dick? getting your jollies off? Pat
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PLONK!
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I’m just curious, if this person won’t allow her kids at someone’s home who has a gun, and doesn’t have a gun at her own home, where does the BB gun come from for her son to shoot cans? FWIW, I was shooting cans and milk cartons with my father as early as age 6 or so. The guns were all kept on a gun rack on the wall in the kitchen. Neither one of us kids ever tried to mess with the guns. It wasn’t a big deal that they were there, we knew that dad would take us target shooting sometimes, and those were really fun times. I also took a gun safety class in school, which taught me nothing that you don’t already know from common sense. My dh now has a few guns, they all have safety locks and trigger locks that require a key and the ammo is kept in a separate unreachable place. We both enjoy target shooting, and dh hunts deer for us to eat. I think that with guns being so common, as long as children are exposed to them in the right way, and taught how to handle them, these accidents won’t happen where kids play with them and shoot each other. Marie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this > subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, > boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor > does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to > target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with > this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target > practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on > this? > Susan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello: >I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of >a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My >daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers >and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve >turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the >traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking >ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, >under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the >neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on >one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed >since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar >experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day >about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more >kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may >not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for >comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. >Best. >Jennifer Henderson
She’s probably a lesbian, and even if she isn’t get her a damned bb gun. And leave her the hell alone about it. Shit, you had one! Jeezus, if they fuck the neighbor boys you moan and if they don’t you moan! Steve
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>I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this >subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, >boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor >does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to >target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with >this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target >practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on >this? >Susan
Good hand-eye coordination for shooting ragheads later is an inportant skill. Steve
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>> I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this > subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, > boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor > does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to > target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with > this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target > practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on > this?
Another idiot who thinks that guns cause violence. Listen, when only police have guns the ragheads will still have airliners! The world is a dangerous place, learn how to kill properly. >Yes. If she allows her son to use the BB gun, she should also allow her >daughter to use it.
The better to learn to shoot rabid ragheads with. Steve
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Hi Susan – well, I couldn’t agree more. But then again, there are _FAR_ more guns in the States than there are in Canada. I went to Colorado once a few years ago and couldn’t believe how accessible guns were – they were everywhere! In the grocery store, in the pharmacy, Wal-Mart – very bizarre culture. So – when a country flouts their "gun rights" and all that the way the States does, then of course you’re going to have attitudes where some people may think that in certain situations guns are acceptable, and in others they are not. I think the question is: What does a 13 year old girl want to do with a BB gun ? I’m sure gone are the days when it was "kids being kids" when we used to shoot snakes and frogs. ?? dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this > subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, > boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor > does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to > target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with > this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target > practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on > this? > Susan
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>Or is that you have a clever way to advertise a website on this newsgroup? >Banty
Lol. — Sophie mom to Charlotte (6/98) Patrick (11/99) #3 due 12/20 See us at http://www.mcgehees.com
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> You are probably American. Only in the USA are guns of any kind given to > children. I would not give my child a gun. Tell her guns are not something > you approve of, then don’t get her one case closed.
That’s not actually entirely true. I live in Northern Canada…the far north. The Territories. Here, many kids, especially First Nations kids, are taught from a very early age how to use and handle a gun safely. They are given real guns and they learn to hunt for food. I know plenty of kids under 12 who go on the Caribou hunt every year around this time up the Dempster. And lots of kids help their parents bring in a fall moose. Guns as toys are a different thing. You don’t see guns as toys in Canada much at all. In fact, it’s years since I’ve even seen a plastic toy gun….then again, I certainly haven’t been looking for one. 
Celia
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Correct Cecelia. In my earlier post when I said "Canada has far fewer guns", I meant it in the sense that there are far fewer people with guns in Canada that regarding them as a use to "protect" themselves. I grew up in the Ottawa Valley, and certainly most kids in their early teens, including myself, went partridge or duck hunting. Lot’s more went deer or moose hunting. However, the gun is seen to children here as a tool to enjoying the sport of hunting – not to fire a BB gun at small animals, and certainly not for protection. dave > That’s not actually entirely true. I live in Northern Canada…the far
north.
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> I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this > subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, > boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor > does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to > target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with > this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target > practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on > this?
Yes. If she allows her son to use the BB gun, she should also allow her daughter to use it.
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I don’t think any child of ours needs a gun, period. I do not understand this subject of BB guns. I know of someone who will not allow her children (twins, boy and girl age 7) to play at anyone’s house where a gun may be stored, nor does she keep a gun in her home. However, she says it’s okay for her son to target practice at aluminum cans with a BB gun. Is there something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Why does a seven year old need to target practice with a BB gun? A gun is a gun period. Any thoughts from anyone on this? Susan
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You are probably American. Only in the USA are guns of any kind given to children. I would not give my child a gun. Tell her guns are not something you approve of, then don’t get her one case closed.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your situation reminds me of a movie. I think it is called "A Christmas > Story". It is about a little boy and all he wants for Christmas is a bb > gun. Everyone says to him, "you’ll shoot your eye out!" Well, he finally > gets one and he shoots…well, you will just have to see the movie to find > out what happens. > Anyway, I don’t have any experiences with bb guns. My two older brothers > had air rifles when they were about that age. But, I think that if you are > not opposed to her having one, and that you are confident that she could > learn to use one safely, then I think it would be ok. Just curious, but why > does she want one? Is it because the other kids have one? What do they do > with them? > cheers! > Jennifer > Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day > about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more > kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may > not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for > comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. > Best. > Jennifer Henderson
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Joni says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day >Are you asking whether girls should be allowed to play with BB guns or >whether BB guns are okay in general??
Or is that you have a clever way to advertise a website on this newsgroup? Banty
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Your situation reminds me of a movie. I think it is called "A Christmas Story". It is about a little boy and all he wants for Christmas is a bb gun. Everyone says to him, "you’ll shoot your eye out!" Well, he finally gets one and he shoots…well, you will just have to see the movie to find out what happens. Anyway, I don’t have any experiences with bb guns. My two older brothers had air rifles when they were about that age. But, I think that if you are not opposed to her having one, and that you are confident that she could learn to use one safely, then I think it would be ok. Just curious, but why does she want one? Is it because the other kids have one? What do they do with them? cheers! Jennifer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day > about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more > kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may > not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for > comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. > Best. > Jennifer Henderson
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> Hello: > I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of > a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My > daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers > and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve > turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the > traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking > ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, > under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the > neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on > one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed > since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar > experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day
Are you asking whether girls should be allowed to play with BB guns or whether BB guns are okay in general??
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Hello: I’m a single mom and a first time poster to this group. I’m in a bit of a dilemma about a Christmas present my daughter asked for, a bb gun. My daughter’s 13 yrs. and I’m trying to keep an open mind here–my brothers and I had bb guns when we growing up, they were fun, and so far we’ve turned out ok. And, I’m happy that she’s not falling into the traditional young female role of only playing with dolls and taking ballet classes (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I feel, under proper supervision, a bb gun should be ok. A few of the neighborhood kids have them and I know my daughter has her heart set on one. However, I want to be responsible but things have certainly changed since I was a teenager 25 years ago. I would appreciate any similar experiences you can share. My gf sent me a funny site the other day about an abstinence program to help ensure I have no more kids..www.4040club.com. It’s lighthearted fun–you may like it, you may not. But, I have to admit, the sex quiz is hilarious. Thanks for comments and experiences on this matter, in advance. Best. Jennifer Henderson
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