Pure Parents

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>> " The child is given an equal voice in the > household as if the child’s voice is >     just as relevant as the parents who are in charge." > It *IS*, asswipe, they’re humans too, or did you think you had given birth > to vermin??? With your attitude you probably thought you did! People like > you shouldn’t have anything dependent on you more complex than a goldfish! >Yes, they are humans too, but they don’t get an equal vote. After all, my >wife & I are the parents, so what we decide is final.

REALLY!?? I see you haven’t met CPS/DFS yet, or the courts or police. Don’t worry, the way you’re going YOU WILL!! > A family isn’t a >democracy, in our case it’s 2 adults in charge, with a child whose interests >are considered into any decisions. But the voting in our house is split into >two parts–between me & the wife (mother), NOT into 3 parts.

She’ll get tired of your abusive attitude too, and mothers tend to have a little more sense about this than fathers, the way men and women are abused in this culture, so I bet she dropkicks you like a hot rock when you offend against her child once too often. >Oh, by the way, I LOVE your nice, clean language and the way you stick to >the issues without the personal attacks.

All’s fair in destroying assholes like you. You deserve everything you get! Steve

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> > Gee Larry, you finally found someone who you can try to argue your ideas > with.  Stevie boy will keep you going, but I thought you didn’t have time > to > read his tripe? > — > ~Nan~<– > keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me > Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com > Thanks for setting me straight, Nan. > I advise everyone to turn their filters on, and then I neglect to? Shame on > me.

I’m not the person to set you straight, Larry.  You’re the only one that can do that. — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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>> >My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause > >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have

I’d really like to hear what their "colleective cause" is, myself! ;-> Such a term on Usenet is certainly an oxymoron! Steve

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> Gee Larry, you finally found someone who you can try to argue your ideas > with.  Stevie boy will keep you going, but I thought you didn’t have time to > read his tripe? > — > ~Nan~<– > keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me > Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

Thanks for setting me straight, Nan. I advise everyone to turn their filters on, and then I neglect to? Shame on me. — Larry http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause > > >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have > > >something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good > > >advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for > > >it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in > > >the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so > > >little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. > > And what would you have us do in an unmoderated group? This is usenet, > > where we all are just little letters on a screen. Are we supposed to > > find out where he lives and go hit him? Sure, a number of us have told > > Steve that we think he’d catch more flies with honey than with > > vinegar, but his behavior is his business. And you learned very > > quickly: either avoid him or talk with him. > Good advice > > Larry gets the same opportunities here, too. People will either learn > > to talk with him or give up on him as hopeless. > > And don’t you think it’s just a little ironic that a man who posts > > repeatedly that he believes in spanking — it’s like a mantra with him > > — and who acts as though he is just waiting for the day when his son > > is big enough that he can really lay into him, is calling someone else > > a meanie? Frankly, I am concerned about *his* level of hostility. > > >Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts > > >to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to > > >hear themselves talk, is that accurate here? > > If that’s the case, than Larry would fit the definition much better, > > I’m sorry to say. In recent weeks, he has jumped from ng to ng — his > > right of course — with some very provocative and inflammatory > > rhetoric. In fact, he has apologized several times for getting carried > > away. Troll? Maybe. Someone also under a lot of stress?  Also maybe. > > You know, we have all been flummoxed by the early weeks with our > > babies — how can someone so little cause such upheaval — but we got > > through it. Larry can too if he’d just trying to rush things so much. > > Lynne > I don’t know if it’s simply being flummoxed by a newborn, either. Larry’s > website was created before the child was even born, and he emphatically > states his views there, too.  Now, most parents will have pre-conceived > ideas on parenting issues prior to birth.  That’s pretty par for the > course, > and some of those ideas get tossed by the wayside as one gets the actual > real life experience.  But, in this case, it’s odd to me that Larry feels > such a driven need to state his rhetoric repeatedly in posts that aren’t > really of the same topic, either.  Seems too much like spoiling for a > fight, > imo.  Which is trollish. > OR it is a massive need to get some approval for a strong sense of > insecurity.

You have a point.  Most parents have their parenting techniques, and don’t feel the need to drone on about them, or to defend them in such a manner. — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause > >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have > >something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good > >advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for > >it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in > >the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so > >little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. > And what would you have us do in an unmoderated group? This is usenet, > where we all are just little letters on a screen. Are we supposed to > find out where he lives and go hit him? Sure, a number of us have told > Steve that we think he’d catch more flies with honey than with > vinegar, but his behavior is his business. And you learned very > quickly: either avoid him or talk with him. > Good advice > Larry gets the same opportunities here, too. People will either learn > to talk with him or give up on him as hopeless. > And don’t you think it’s just a little ironic that a man who posts > repeatedly that he believes in spanking — it’s like a mantra with him > — and who acts as though he is just waiting for the day when his son > is big enough that he can really lay into him, is calling someone else > a meanie? Frankly, I am concerned about *his* level of hostility. > >Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts > >to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to > >hear themselves talk, is that accurate here? > If that’s the case, than Larry would fit the definition much better, > I’m sorry to say. In recent weeks, he has jumped from ng to ng — his > right of course — with some very provocative and inflammatory > rhetoric. In fact, he has apologized several times for getting carried > away. Troll? Maybe. Someone also under a lot of stress?  Also maybe. > You know, we have all been flummoxed by the early weeks with our > babies — how can someone so little cause such upheaval — but we got > through it. Larry can too if he’d just trying to rush things so much. > Lynne > I don’t know if it’s simply being flummoxed by a newborn, either.  Larry’s > website was created before the child was even born, and he emphatically > states his views there, too.  Now, most parents will have pre-conceived > ideas on parenting issues prior to birth.  That’s pretty par for the course, > and some of those ideas get tossed by the wayside as one gets the actual > real life experience.  But, in this case, it’s odd to me that Larry feels > such a driven need to state his rhetoric repeatedly in posts that aren’t > really of the same topic, either.  Seems too much like spoiling for a fight, > imo.  Which is trollish.

OR it is a massive need to get some approval for a strong sense of insecurity. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > ~Nan~<– > keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me > Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> " The child is given an equal voice in the > household as if the child’s voice is >     just as relevant as the parents who are in charge." > It *IS*, asswipe, they’re humans too, or did you think you had given birth > to vermin??? With your attitude you probably thought you did! People like > you shouldn’t have anything dependent on you more complex than a goldfish! > Yes, they are humans too, but they don’t get an equal vote. After all, my > wife & I are the parents, so what we decide is final. A family isn’t a > democracy, in our case it’s 2 adults in charge, with a child whose interests > are considered into any decisions. But the voting in our house is split into > two parts–between me & the wife (mother), NOT into 3 parts. > Oh, by the way, I LOVE your nice, clean language and the way you stick to > the issues without the personal attacks. > [snicker] > — > Larry > http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

Gee Larry, you finally found someone who you can try to argue your ideas with.  Stevie boy will keep you going, but I thought you didn’t have time to read his tripe? — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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<SNIP> > My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause > any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have > something constructive to add.

He is not needing anyone’s protection, that’s for sure. He can take care of himself. But this is Usenet. If someone is scared away by a Steve, or anyone else, that’s too bad. But that is also the way it is. What is the collective cause anyway? It is to discuss parenting issues. Steve does that. He is PART of the collective cause. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Because of him I nearly lost the good > advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for > it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in > the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so > little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. > Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts > to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to > hear themselves talk, is that accurate here?

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> " The child is given an equal voice in the > household as if the child’s voice is >     just as relevant as the parents who are in charge." > It *IS*, asswipe, they’re humans too, or did you think you had given birth > to vermin??? With your attitude you probably thought you did! People like > you shouldn’t have anything dependent on you more complex than a goldfish!

Yes, they are humans too, but they don’t get an equal vote. After all, my wife & I are the parents, so what we decide is final. A family isn’t a democracy, in our case it’s 2 adults in charge, with a child whose interests are considered into any decisions. But the voting in our house is split into two parts–between me & the wife (mother), NOT into 3 parts. Oh, by the way, I LOVE your nice, clean language and the way you stick to the issues without the personal attacks. [snicker] — Larry http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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>I don’t know if it’s simply being flummoxed by a newborn, either.  Larry’s >website was created before the child was even born, and he emphatically >states his views there, too.  Now, most parents will have pre-conceived >ideas on parenting issues prior to birth.  That’s pretty par for the course, >and some of those ideas get tossed by the wayside as one gets the actual >real life experience.  But, in this case, it’s odd to me that Larry feels >such a driven need to state his rhetoric repeatedly in posts that aren’t >really of the same topic, either.  Seems too much like spoiling for a fight, >imo.  Which is trollish.

Hmm, I see what you mean, having just been there. I really have a hard time getting my head around any one idea being the basis for childrearing — in his case, spanking. In fact, I have heard that word more from him during the last few weeks than I have heard even from "regular" spankers. He already seems to be figuring out that his all-purpose method can’t be used on a one-month-old (I hope) so he just might have to enlarge his repertoire. Which is what we have been trying to tell him….. My mother used to say that yes, you should read all the books, then throw them out and do what works for you and your child. Lynne (and despite what his website says, he’s not a crack speller)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t know if it’s simply being flummoxed by a newborn, either. Larry’s >website was created before the child was even born, and he emphatically >states his views there, too.  Now, most parents will have pre-conceived >ideas on parenting issues prior to birth.  That’s pretty par for the course, >and some of those ideas get tossed by the wayside as one gets the actual >real life experience.  But, in this case, it’s odd to me that Larry feels >such a driven need to state his rhetoric repeatedly in posts that aren’t >really of the same topic, either.  Seems too much like spoiling for a fight, >imo.  Which is trollish. > Hmm, I see what you mean, having just been there. I really have a hard > time getting my head around any one idea being the basis for > childrearing — in his case, spanking. In fact, I have heard that word > more from him during the last few weeks than I have heard even from > "regular" spankers. He already seems to be figuring out that his > all-purpose method can’t be used on a one-month-old (I hope) so he > just might have to enlarge his repertoire. Which is what we have been > trying to tell him…..

Well, maybe the idea that one childrearing philosophy does not fit all sizes will sink in. > My mother used to say that yes, you should read all the books, then > throw them out and do what works for you and your child.

My mom used to say essentially the same thing.  I used to collect advice from all relatives and friends and then combine snippets here and there to fit what worked for us.  Since my dd is my second child, I need less advice, lol! > Lynne (and despite what his website says, he’s not a crack speller)

– ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have >something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good >advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for >it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in >the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so >little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. > And what would you have us do in an unmoderated group? This is usenet, > where we all are just little letters on a screen. Are we supposed to > find out where he lives and go hit him? Sure, a number of us have told > Steve that we think he’d catch more flies with honey than with > vinegar, but his behavior is his business. And you learned very > quickly: either avoid him or talk with him.

Good advice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Larry gets the same opportunities here, too. People will either learn > to talk with him or give up on him as hopeless. > And don’t you think it’s just a little ironic that a man who posts > repeatedly that he believes in spanking — it’s like a mantra with him > — and who acts as though he is just waiting for the day when his son > is big enough that he can really lay into him, is calling someone else > a meanie? Frankly, I am concerned about *his* level of hostility. >Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts >to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to >hear themselves talk, is that accurate here? > If that’s the case, than Larry would fit the definition much better, > I’m sorry to say. In recent weeks, he has jumped from ng to ng — his > right of course — with some very provocative and inflammatory > rhetoric. In fact, he has apologized several times for getting carried > away. Troll? Maybe. Someone also under a lot of stress?  Also maybe. > You know, we have all been flummoxed by the early weeks with our > babies — how can someone so little cause such upheaval — but we got > through it. Larry can too if he’d just trying to rush things so much. > Lynne

I don’t know if it’s simply being flummoxed by a newborn, either.  Larry’s website was created before the child was even born, and he emphatically states his views there, too.  Now, most parents will have pre-conceived ideas on parenting issues prior to birth.  That’s pretty par for the course, and some of those ideas get tossed by the wayside as one gets the actual real life experience.  But, in this case, it’s odd to me that Larry feels such a driven need to state his rhetoric repeatedly in posts that aren’t really of the same topic, either.  Seems too much like spoiling for a fight, imo.  Which is trollish. — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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>My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have >something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good >advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for >it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in >the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so >little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child.

And what would you have us do in an unmoderated group? This is usenet, where we all are just little letters on a screen. Are we supposed to find out where he lives and go hit him? Sure, a number of us have told Steve that we think he’d catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, but his behavior is his business. And you learned very quickly: either avoid him or talk with him. Larry gets the same opportunities here, too. People will either learn to talk with him or give up on him as hopeless. And don’t you think it’s just a little ironic that a man who posts repeatedly that he believes in spanking — it’s like a mantra with him — and who acts as though he is just waiting for the day when his son is big enough that he can really lay into him, is calling someone else a meanie? Frankly, I am concerned about *his* level of hostility. >Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts >to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to >hear themselves talk, is that accurate here?

If that’s the case, than Larry would fit the definition much better, I’m sorry to say. In recent weeks, he has jumped from ng to ng — his right of course — with some very provocative and inflammatory rhetoric. In fact, he has apologized several times for getting carried away. Troll? Maybe. Someone also under a lot of stress?  Also maybe. You know, we have all been flummoxed by the early weeks with our babies — how can someone so little cause such upheaval — but we got through it. Larry can too if he’d just trying to rush things so much. Lynne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I am posting as a complete noob to this group.  He (Steve) may be an >old timer but viewing his hostility might be scaring away any >newcomers that could benefit from the sage advice to be found here. >He blasted me with an email so reprehensible that I almost did not >bother to return for other opinions, thinking I might have stumbled >upon a newsgroup frequented by psycho’s.  Thankfully I have enough >usenet expereince and the topic was very important to me, so I did >return.  And have gotten enough advice from reasonable people that I >questioned my thinking, did a little test on my son, and saw that >indeed I was wrong. >My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause >any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have >something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good >advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for >it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in >the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so >little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. >Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts >to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to >hear themselves talk, is that accurate here?

Hey fool: Yeah you. A troll is anyone another troll doesn’t like, and yes of course we’re here because we really enjoy inflicting our views on others who are stupid or needy enough to read them!! We’re ALL that way, even you, now! Or hadn’t you realized that yet!?? The type of person who will put their opinions out there every day is actually a somewhat rare kind of person, most are TERRIFIED of public speaking, even anonymously, and they tend to self-destruct when confronted about what they believe!! Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am posting as a complete noob to this group.  He (Steve) may be an > old timer but viewing his hostility might be scaring away any > newcomers that could benefit from the sage advice to be found here. > He blasted me with an email so reprehensible that I almost did not > bother to return for other opinions, thinking I might have stumbled > upon a newsgroup frequented by psycho’s.  Thankfully I have enough > usenet expereince and the topic was very important to me, so I did > return.  And have gotten enough advice from reasonable people that I > questioned my thinking, did a little test on my son, and saw that > indeed I was wrong. > My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause > any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have > something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good > advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for > it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in > the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so > little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child.

I don’t believe anyone is protecting Steve.  Even those who’ve said he’s not a troll (myself included, although do note he is in my killfile and has been for quite some time.)  Yes, Steve lacks communication skills, and his habit of e-mailing posters leaves a lot to be desired, which is why some people post with munged addys in their headers.  Anyone that’s been around the group for any length of time knows what Steve is like and usually avoids him. I understand newcomers won’t know that, and may be offended.  It seems to be something everyone learns, eventually.  I’m glad you didn’t allow his e-mail to scare you off, and I suspect most people will understand that Steve isn’t representative of the entire group. > Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts > to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to > hear themselves talk, is that accurate here?

Perhaps, but Steve just doesn’t fit my definition of a troll.  He’s odd and abrasive and has very few social graces, but I don’t think he’s a troll. — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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>Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so >that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised to >filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name "Richard >Steven Walz" >In the messages located here, I have found this particular individual to be >nothing short of a driveling idiot, a total twit. Notice his very nice >language (hahaha) as he replies to the messages posted here.

Larry can’t handle being disagreed with, and so now he wants to blind himself so he doesn’t know what I say about him. Classic. Not only that, but he wants to complain about the level of viciousness here when look how this ignorant abusive shit plans to offend against his children at home! (from his website): Larry the Asshole: — "All along, I have believed that, among other things, children are not raised strictly enough these days. They are never spanked as much, they are allowed to run rampant at will–which means, among other things, being allowed into the parents’ bedroom even during sacred moments between the spouses…" In other words larry’s wife won’t fuck him lately, so he wants to blame his kids. In other words, Larry’s whole political philosophy revolves around whether he’s getting laid or not, and upon no concern for anyone else at all. "–they are spoiled," We think that’s a PROJECTION, LARRY, and that YOU’RE the one who’s SPOILED! "they are treated as if     they’re fragile and that challenging them to achieve is insensitive and ruins the child’s self-esteem." Larry’s only "challenge" to them is to shut the fuck up even if they’d frightened so Larry can ejaculate somemore! " The child is given an equal voice in the household as if the child’s voice is     just as relevant as the parents who are in charge." It *IS*, asswipe, they’re humans too, or did you think you had given birth to vermin??? With your attitude you probably thought you did! People like you shouldn’t have anything dependent on you more complex than a goldfish! "    Well, things will be different in our house." Yeah, Larry will get to be an asshole just like he was treated by HIS parents so that violence and insecurity can be passed from generation to generation!! "  My wife & I both believe in spanking and discipline." Yeah, you need a bunch of it, Larry!! "Our son will NOT be allowed to run rampant throughout the house, and among other things the child will not be     sleeping in our private room at will, even when he turns 3 and goes through this "monsters in my closet" phase. He will not be allowed to be overly attached to us, and     they will understand that mommy & daddy have to have private time–especially at night–and to respect this. Our child will NOT be treated as if he’s fragile and can’t have     his feelings hurt. That doesn’t mean we are going to be brutal, not at all. But we won’t allow him to be a whimpy sack of mush, either." Heaven help your kids. You have no heart at all, and you show no sign of ever developing one. You should have been de-nutted before your wife got pregnant, just as a crime prevention measure!! Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes, Larry, we have free speech on Usenet, which means you can make > speeches and Steve can cuss. Unlike you, however, Steve has been > around here a long time. While he may be rude, crude, and generally > socially unacceptable, he’s ours, so to speak. Most of us figured out > a long time ago how to either ignore him when he starts drooling or > how to talk with him when he’s not. > Now, you we’re not so sure about. A number of people on several ngs > think *you’re* the troll, because you have sort of barged in and > started handing out leaflets. And we’re trying to help you with your > son, honest, but you seem so rigid and hostile toward the whole > parenting thing, it’s kind of frustrating. > Lynne

This is a very valid point. As an adult you should be able to "self" filter those you want to listen to (read) and those whose opinions you always dislike ( a dangerous way to think IMO). However, asking others to accept your opinion on and ostracise him is in reality worse than what he does in swearing and being blunt. I think you have to be a little more mature about news groups Larry. DrClean www.DrClean.co.uk The best fabric cleaning resource on the web.

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<SNIP> > If, like me, you don’t have the time for such juvenile behavior and would > rather spend your time reading posts from actual humans with actual > substance to share, this particular person is someone whose messages you > will most certainly want to filter.

You do not have time to read his stuff, but you have time to post equal nonsense with no parenting discussion at all. Interesting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Larry > http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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I am posting as a complete noob to this group.  He (Steve) may be an old timer but viewing his hostility might be scaring away any newcomers that could benefit from the sage advice to be found here. He blasted me with an email so reprehensible that I almost did not bother to return for other opinions, thinking I might have stumbled upon a newsgroup frequented by psycho’s.  Thankfully I have enough usenet expereince and the topic was very important to me, so I did return.  And have gotten enough advice from reasonable people that I questioned my thinking, did a little test on my son, and saw that indeed I was wrong. My point is that I am not sure if you are doing your collective cause any good by protecting this guy, even if he does occasionaly have something constructive to add.  Because of him I nearly lost the good advice you people had to offer, and my son would have been worse for it. That in itself is enough for me to filter anything he may add in the future.  Plus I find it hard to beleave that someone with so little self control could ever know a damn thing about rasing a child. Also in most online communities a troll is someone who usually posts to stir up trouble for no good reason or simply because they like to hear themselves talk, is that accurate here?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so >that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised to >filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name "Richard >Steven Walz" >In the messages located here, I have found this particular individual to be >nothing short of a driveling idiot, a total twit. Notice his very nice >language (hahaha) as he replies to the messages posted here. >I feel strongly about my opinions, but I surely don’t make a habit of "Fu** >you" and "shi*thead" and so on & so on. I try not to insult anyone >personally, but rather stick to the topics and forgo (or at least minimize) >any name-calling and juvenile-like behavior. The same can most certainly NOT >be stated with regards to this particular loser.

Yes, Larry, we have free speech on Usenet, which means you can make speeches and Steve can cuss. Unlike you, however, Steve has been around here a long time. While he may be rude, crude, and generally socially unacceptable, he’s ours, so to speak. Most of us figured out a long time ago how to either ignore him when he starts drooling or how to talk with him when he’s not.   Now, you we’re not so sure about. A number of people on several ngs think *you’re* the troll, because you have sort of barged in and started handing out leaflets. And we’re trying to help you with your son, honest, but you seem so rigid and hostile toward the whole parenting thing, it’s kind of frustrating. Lynne

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Oh, I just wanted to add that he is stating what I, for one, am too polite to state myself.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That’s funny Larry…a lot of people seem to think that you are a troll too. > Steve has been in this group a long time, and he may use harsh and crude > language, he does have a valid opinion on many topics. > Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so > that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised > to > filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name > "Richard > Steven Walz" > In the messages located here, I have found this particular individual to > be > nothing short of a driveling idiot, a total twit. Notice his very nice > language (hahaha) as he replies to the messages posted here. > I feel strongly about my opinions, but I surely don’t make a habit of > "Fu** > you" and "shi*thead" and so on & so on. I try not to insult anyone > personally, but rather stick to the topics and forgo (or at least > minimize) > any name-calling and juvenile-like behavior. The same can most certainly > NOT > be stated with regards to this particular loser. > Newsgroups are supposed to be forums for people with a reasonable level of > intelligence to post their opinions and debate the issues. Apparently > newsgroups have evolved to include childish, bratty words lacking in > substance and dripping with total stupidity and juvenile-like attitudes > and > demeanors. > I guess that’s the price you pay for living in America. You have freedom > of > speech, and unfortunately this freedom of speech means twats like this > loser > get to post messages, too. > If, like me, you don’t have the time for such juvenile behavior and would > rather spend your time reading posts from actual humans with actual > substance to share, this particular person is someone whose messages you > will most certainly want to filter. > — > Larry > http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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> Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so > that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised to > filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name "Richard > Steven Walz"

<snip> Steve’s been around here for a long time, and is probably in a majority of killfiles already.  Once in a great while he can come up with something insightful, but it’s not worth wading through his junk to find the gems. — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so > that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised > to > filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name > "Richard > Steven Walz" > <snip> > Steve’s been around here for a long time, and is probably in a majority of > killfiles already.  Once in a great while he can come up with something > insightful, but it’s not worth wading through his junk to find the gems. > —

Argh!  I hit send before I was done.  I wanted to add that *I* don’t see Steve as a troll.  He merely doesn’t communicate, or play well with others — ~Nan~<– keep the hug n’ kiss & mail me Save a life today:  http://www.thebreastcancersite.com

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That’s funny Larry…a lot of people seem to think that you are a troll too. Steve has been in this group a long time, and he may use harsh and crude language, he does have a valid opinion on many topics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so > that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised to > filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name "Richard > Steven Walz" > In the messages located here, I have found this particular individual to be > nothing short of a driveling idiot, a total twit. Notice his very nice > language (hahaha) as he replies to the messages posted here. > I feel strongly about my opinions, but I surely don’t make a habit of "Fu** > you" and "shi*thead" and so on & so on. I try not to insult anyone > personally, but rather stick to the topics and forgo (or at least minimize) > any name-calling and juvenile-like behavior. The same can most certainly NOT > be stated with regards to this particular loser. > Newsgroups are supposed to be forums for people with a reasonable level of > intelligence to post their opinions and debate the issues. Apparently > newsgroups have evolved to include childish, bratty words lacking in > substance and dripping with total stupidity and juvenile-like attitudes and > demeanors. > I guess that’s the price you pay for living in America. You have freedom of > speech, and unfortunately this freedom of speech means twats like this loser > get to post messages, too. > If, like me, you don’t have the time for such juvenile behavior and would > rather spend your time reading posts from actual humans with actual > substance to share, this particular person is someone whose messages you > will most certainly want to filter. > — > Larry > http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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Those of you who like to "filter" your newsgroup–that is, configure it so that messages sent by a certain user don’t show up–would be well advised to filter messages from a guy named Steve, who operates under the name "Richard Steven Walz" In the messages located here, I have found this particular individual to be nothing short of a driveling idiot, a total twit. Notice his very nice language (hahaha) as he replies to the messages posted here. I feel strongly about my opinions, but I surely don’t make a habit of "Fu** you" and "shi*thead" and so on & so on. I try not to insult anyone personally, but rather stick to the topics and forgo (or at least minimize) any name-calling and juvenile-like behavior. The same can most certainly NOT be stated with regards to this particular loser. Newsgroups are supposed to be forums for people with a reasonable level of intelligence to post their opinions and debate the issues. Apparently newsgroups have evolved to include childish, bratty words lacking in substance and dripping with total stupidity and juvenile-like attitudes and demeanors. I guess that’s the price you pay for living in America. You have freedom of speech, and unfortunately this freedom of speech means twats like this loser get to post messages, too. If, like me, you don’t have the time for such juvenile behavior and would rather spend your time reading posts from actual humans with actual substance to share, this particular person is someone whose messages you will most certainly want to filter. — Larry http://www.angelfire.com/az2/hlarry/

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