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The triple vaccine in NZ when my kids were babies (my kids 10 & 15) was Whooping cough, Diptheria and Tetanus which I let my kids have. Hadn’t done much reading then, don’t know what I would do now also Polio sip. Hep B was also on offer. Then at 11, MMR plus tet/dip and polio. Chose to get just tetanus and polio because there is no diptheria in the environment (could be argued that that is because of vaccination, or hygeine and diet) and didn’t get MMR. A friend said she read some interesting articles about immunisation today. She is going to look them up for me. If I get them I will post about them, but it will be a while cause I’m going on camp with my daughter next week. Wish us fine weather. Annemarie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Annemarie, > "Tetanus without diptheria" and without pertussis? What is "early triple"? > /Scott Strohm > Hi Scott. My daughter was about 4 when she got rubella. She was not > terribly sick, but I suspected that she had rubella and took her to the > doctor to get her checked. I asked the nurse to book me when there were no > pregnant women booked around the same time. The doctor (my anti vax man) > was so funny clapping and picking her up and hugging her. > I have been choosy with vaccines, Early triple yes. Tetanus without > diptheria yes (order thru doc) and polio yes. Just about everything else > NO. > Gotta go > Annemarie > <snip previous posts>
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Hi Annemarie, "Tetanus without diptheria" and without pertussis? What is "early triple"? /Scott Strohm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Scott. My daughter was about 4 when she got rubella. She was not > terribly sick, but I suspected that she had rubella and took her to the > doctor to get her checked. I asked the nurse to book me when there were no > pregnant women booked around the same time. The doctor (my anti vax man) > was so funny clapping and picking her up and hugging her. > I have been choosy with vaccines, Early triple yes. Tetanus without > diptheria yes (order thru doc) and polio yes. Just about everything else > NO. > Gotta go > Annemarie > <snip previous posts>
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message > Want to bet? Measles is the sixth leading cause of death due to > infectious disease. The reason many people don’t think it can be > serious is because we rarely see the disease at all in heavily > vaccinated societies. I am old enough to remember when people > tried to give each other these diseases, and, although serious > complications were rare, they did occur, and encephalitis, > rheumatic disease and deafness are serious enough if they happen > to your child. And your daughter may have enjoyed the heck out of > her rubella, but if she managed to give it to a woman in early > pregnancy, the risks of birth defects are significant. Maybe you > don’t care, but other people do. > I agree that we should continue to question the need and efficacy > of vaccinations, but we older folks aren’t making up these > stories. > Measles deaths (they always ignore death rate and push measles incidence) > had declined by 90% by the time they introduced the vaccine. Now you will > find the vaccine is far more dangerous than the disease which is mild in > well nourished children. The high measles death rate from the third world > (due to malnutrition and poor hygiene) is used to sell measles vaccination > in the first world. > The side effects from the MMR vaccines have been downplayed, suppressed, or > ignored. Over 1200 families in the UK have filed for vaccine damage from > one MMR vaccine drive. Cases of autism have jumped after MMR was > introduced. Early MMR vaccines were withdrawn when they produced meningitis > in 1 in 1200 children. > Deafness can result from measles & rubella vaccines
And also can result from the disease. Which cuases it more frequently? John does not know Lies and Websites deleted……. > And so on.
More lies. > This is one story of GBS after MMR
Ditto > All for a mild disease that may be necessary for our immune systems > developement–they only know a little about the child’s immune system, so it > is just a big experiment, ongoing using our children (not mine any more). I > gave 200 boys measles when I was a kid–no big deal.
And you give thousands of people mis-information. Despicable. > Also they have suppressed the use of nutritional medicine which was curing > measles years ago with vitamin C and A.
Those without facts (or even factoids) can only use dissembling mendacities (eg, conspiracy) to argument. > Not forgetting outbreaks of measles in FULLY immunised populations.
And this is from someone whose websitre contains the following: John eructated: " But even equipped with a rudimentary understanding of the principles of N.H., one would realize that chicken pox is not a fatal disease, but rather a very common, benign inflammatory condition. — gk" IOW, he thinks chicken pox are zits. Pus pimples. — Mark Probert Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. Before you buy.
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Hi Scott. My daughter was about 4 when she got rubella. She was not terribly sick, but I suspected that she had rubella and took her to the doctor to get her checked. I asked the nurse to book me when there were no pregnant women booked around the same time. The doctor (my anti vax man) was so funny clapping and picking her up and hugging her. I have been choosy with vaccines, Early triple yes. Tetanus without diptheria yes (order thru doc) and polio yes. Just about everything else NO. Gotta go Annemarie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think vaccination is a subject worth discussing, too. I hope this > thread > grows, hopefully with more than just the words of those who echo the > self-interested medical/pharmaceutical community. > Annemarie, how old was your daughter when she got rubella? > I definitely look forward to hearing from any parents who chose not > to have > their children vaccinated or even chose to forgo certain > vaccinations. Before my > son, now 27 months old, was born, I did a fair amount of research on > vaccinations. Based on that research, on my experience in my life with > vaccines/allergies/disease and the consistent denial-like self- > serving "advice" > from conventional doctor types, I decided to *not* have my son > vaccinated (this > has been no easy task!). > I took some notes on one of the books I read; you can find the notes > I took here > (http://home.columbus.rr.com/strohmscott/research/bkreview.html). I > also took > some notes on a news story I found early in 1998, a story about a > Meningitis > vaccine > (http://home.columbus.rr.com/strohmscott/research/newsitis.html)-this > URL has other links to vaccine-related URLs. > In no way do I claim to know whether or not vaccines are effective > against the > diseases the medical community claims they are effective against. > I can tell you that my son has been quite healthy. After a tough > delivery, he > was breast fed for first month and a half, then breast and bottled- > mother’s-milk > fed ’till about 6 months. He had mild skin fungus (called ringworm > due to its > appearance but it has nothing to do with "worms," it’s more similar > to athletes > foot fungus) disease during that breast-feeding period, treated with > lotrimin > cream (clotrimazole), Nizoral cream and bath soap/shampoo. He had a > cold when he > was about 10 months old (source: babysitter’s children), which lasted > for what > seemed like forever. He had an ear infection at about 13 months (took > Amoxicillin and Sulfatrim?). Since then he has been virtually disease > free. > Again, I look forward to hearing from parents who have chosen not to > have their > children immunized or have chosen to be choosy about which vaccines > their > children get. > The one I’ve considered recently is Tetanus (though it is not easy, > perhaps not > possible, to get just a tetanus vaccine). > /Scott Strohm > > Yes but if the girls actually get rubella, which is a very mild > illness, > > they are then immune (mostly, there is always the exception) for > life. I > > was really thrilled when my daughter got rubella. Her doctor > suggested she > > go and hug all her girls friends. > > I question the whole MMR thing, mumps measles and rubella rarely > have > > complications, and while the recorded complications of the vaccine > are less. > > I really wonder about the unrecorded effects. The effects on the > immune > > system etc. There has been talk that vaccines are related to the > now very > > high level of asthma, and allergies. These are all huge questions, > and I am > > not completely in either camp. I feel we should keep our minds > open though > > and not just accept the vaccination culture. > > Annemarie Butler > > > Hi: > > > Several vaccines are given in a succession of injections. A few > of them > > > require boosters every ten years. This is not a mystery, > although many > > adults > > > forget to check and keep theirs up to date. > > > It is also a good idea to check one’s shot record before marriage > and/or > > > becoming sexually active. > > > JMO, > > > Ruthie, mom of 3 > > > >Regardless of whether this was posted as a stir or not. I would > be > > > >interested to hear peoples opinions about vaccination. E.g. the > rubella > > > >vaccine, given in NZ anyway to 11 yr olds, I have heard loses > > effectivness, > > > >that is immunity is lost about 10 years after jab. Therefore, > females in > > > >there early 20s are not protected. What do you all think. I > know this > > > >could become controversial, but I think it is a subject that is > worth > > > >discussing. > > > >Annemarie > — > Mark Probert > Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. > Before you buy.
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You know my uncles took me hunting with them to Canada and other places as a child at times. My Aunt Nettie who ran a farm by herself and had farm hands (after Uncle Earl died) had a shotgun (loaded) in her kitchen ALWAYS. Since I had shot guns as a child and was taught the proper way to use and respect them I never in a million years had the fascination kids today seem to have. And I’m a girl. One of the definite truths you had in life then (different from now) is that certain actions by you (the child) would most assuredly have swift and terrible consequences by the parent or other adult authority figure. Well one of the biggies was the shotgun. Not only did you not touch the gun, you didn’t even look at it real close. Of course you didn’t want to mess with Aunt Nettie anyway, since I suspect she could’ve whipped most men’s butts and I saw her butcher a cow by herself once before Uncle Earl died and he got too well, loaded to do it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It really is scary living in today’s society. > Parents who don’t vaccinate their children are setting themselves up > for > real trouble. I just hope that with all of the illegal immigrants > that are > pouring into the states that no one brings any of these horrible > diseases > with them that literally have been wiped out because of the > vaccinations. > Children that are not vaccinated will be the first ones hit. And I > really > hope that none of the nonvaccinated children die because of this. I > really > don’t understand the rationale of parents today. > Along with the thread below about BB guns. Parents don’t allow > children to > play with guns because they are afraid the kids will go and shoot > someone. I > am more afraid of the kids who didn’t get to play with guns than I am > with > the ones that did. The kids who didn’t are going to have a more > unnatural > curiosity with guns so they are going to jump at the chance to see > one, play > with one, experiment with one. It has been said already, but I feel > it is > worth its weight in gold. Violence breeds violence. It is not the TV > or > playing with guns. It starts in the home. Teach your children > nonviolent > ways to cope, have a loving environment, spend quality time with your > kids, > listen to them and above all make them understand that they are > loved. I > feel that these things are needed more than not letting kids play > with guns. > My two cents. Let the flames begin. > Sue B. > No flames from me. you sound quite reasonable. > — > Mark Probert > Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. > Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It really is scary living in today’s society. > Parents who don’t vaccinate their children are setting themselves up for > real trouble. I just hope that with all of the illegal immigrants that are > pouring into the states that no one brings any of these horrible diseases > with them that literally have been wiped out because of the vaccinations. > Children that are not vaccinated will be the first ones hit. And I really > hope that none of the nonvaccinated children die because of this. I really > don’t understand the rationale of parents today. > Along with the thread below about BB guns. Parents don’t allow children to > play with guns because they are afraid the kids will go and shoot someone. I > am more afraid of the kids who didn’t get to play with guns than I am with > the ones that did. The kids who didn’t are going to have a more unnatural > curiosity with guns so they are going to jump at the chance to see one, play > with one, experiment with one. It has been said already, but I feel it is > worth its weight in gold. Violence breeds violence. It is not the TV or > playing with guns. It starts in the home. Teach your children nonviolent > ways to cope, have a loving environment, spend quality time with your kids, > listen to them and above all make them understand that they are loved. I > feel that these things are needed more than not letting kids play with guns. > My two cents. Let the flames begin. > Sue B.
No flames from me. you sound quite reasonable. — Mark Probert Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message > Want to bet? Measles is the sixth leading cause of death due to > infectious disease. The reason many people don’t think it can be > serious is because we rarely see the disease at all in heavily > vaccinated societies. I am old enough to remember when people > tried to give each other these diseases, and, although serious > complications were rare, they did occur, and encephalitis, > rheumatic disease and deafness are serious enough if they happen > to your child. And your daughter may have enjoyed the heck out of > her rubella, but if she managed to give it to a woman in early > pregnancy, the risks of birth defects are significant. Maybe you > don’t care, but other people do. > I agree that we should continue to question the need and efficacy > of vaccinations, but we older folks aren’t making up these > stories. > Measles deaths (they always ignore death rate and push measles incidence) > had declined by 90% by the time they introduced the vaccine. Now you will > find the vaccine is far more dangerous than the disease which is mild in > well nourished children. The high measles death rate from the third world > (due to malnutrition and poor hygiene) is used to sell measles vaccination > in the first world. > The side effects from the MMR vaccines have been downplayed, suppressed, or > ignored. Over 1200 families in the UK have filed for vaccine damage from > one MMR vaccine drive. Cases of autism have jumped after MMR was > introduced. Early MMR vaccines were withdrawn when they produced meningitis > in 1 in 1200 children. > Deafness can result from measles & rubella vaccines > http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/deafness.htm > Encephalitis http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/encephalitis.htm > Arthritis http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/arthritis.html > GBS http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/guillain-barre.htm > And so on. > This is one story of GBS after MMR > http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/guillain-barre_jason.html > All for a mild disease that may be necessary for our immune systems > developement–they only know a little about the child’s immune system, so it > is just a big experiment, ongoing using our children (not mine any more). I > gave 200 boys measles when I was a kid–no big deal. > Also they have suppressed the use of nutritional medicine which was curing > measles years ago with vitamin C and A. > Measles http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/measles.html > Not forgetting outbreaks of measles in FULLY immunised populations. > John
– Mark Probert Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. Before you buy.
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> For goodness sake are you being paid by the drug companies. If not you have > been completely brainwashed by their money making strategies
LOL. Hit the nail on the head there. If he isn’t he should be working in vaccine sales. John www.whale.to/vaccines.html
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> > For goodness sake are you being paid by the drug companies. If not you > have > been completely brainwashed by their money making strategies > LOL. Hit the nail on the head there. If he isn’t he should be working in > vaccine sales.
John, I see you are infesting another newsgroup with your lies and paranoid drivel. > John www.whale.to/vaccines.html
– Mark Probert Children can be cruel…unless adults teach them to be kind. Before you buy.
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> I think vaccination is a subject worth discussing, too. I hope this thread > grows, hopefully with more than just the words of those who echo the > self-interested medical/pharmaceutical community. > Annemarie, how old was your daughter when she got rubella? > I definitely look forward to hearing from any parents who chose not to have > their children vaccinated or even chose to forgo certain
vaccinations. Before my > son, now 27 months old, was born, I did a fair amount of research on > vaccinations. Based on that research, on my experience in my life with > vaccines/allergies/disease and the consistent denial-like self- serving "advice" > from conventional doctor types, I decided to *not* have my son vaccinated (this > has been no easy task!). > I took some notes on one of the books I read; you can find the notes I took here > (http://home.columbus.rr.com/strohmscott/research/bkreview.html). I also took > some notes on a news story I found early in 1998, a story about a Meningitis > vaccine
(http://home.columbus.rr.com/strohmscott/research/newsitis.html)
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