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> Of course I made a general statement. What did you think I was going to say: > "Every person who plays a violent video game WILL committ violent crime?" > Come on.

I have no way of knowing what you were going to say, or meant to say, or intended to say. Your comments were too general and fuzzy to substantively add to the debate on media violence. > I am saying that generally more violence witnessed in our society will add > to the liklihood of more violenced committed.

Well, what you were saying (if you’re even the same person) was that more ‘virtual’ and ‘imaginary’ violence witnessed would add to that likelihood. Most "first world" children today witness far less ACTUAL first hand violence then they did a century ago. > It would be ridiculoous to > look at violence in our society on a microscopic level.

Why? And why would you assume that is what I’m advocating. You really should try breaking out of the either/or mentality. How about we look at micro/macro patterns of violence at the same time — how about that? > .> Violence has beget violence from the very beginning. Human beings are > violent and they always have been, and most likely always will be. > Denying the violence in our nature is to me, not the proper way to > address it. > Well I guess if your assumption is that "theres nothing to be done about it > cause that’s just the way we are" – then we really have no where else to go. > Let the violence rain!!!!

Well I guess if your assumption is that you don’t actually need to read what the other person writes… Seriously, nowhere do I make such an absurd statement. You (or whoever, hard to tell with the screen-name switches) seem to think that without violent media images we would have less violence — and I don’t see ANY evidence that the world before ‘media’ was less violent than the one we have now. That is not to say that we shouldn’t think about violence, or act to prevent it where possible, just that I believe you, and many others, have assigned the ‘media’ as a false cause for human violence. — Go Lakers! Chris Chandler (the Lisa Simpson of a.s.b.n.l-l) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between > violence > > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts > committed. > Well, for one thing, I played violent video (and ‘realtime’) games as a > kid and I don’t have a violent bone in my body. In other words, this > theory doesn’t jibe with my experience. Now maybe you didn’t -mean- to > make such a general statement, but you did, and it only weakens the > position that there is -some- influence. > > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence > that > > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this > such a > > hard stretch for some to make? > Why do some people have such a hard time distinguishing fantasy from > reality? Despite everything I’ve heard on the subject, most children > make this distinction all the time — some don’t its true, but most do. > > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off > shotgun > > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in > graphic > > detail has positively no ill effects on children? > No, but then again no one is saying that — why do you insist on > weakening your argument by making such blanket and absurd statements? > Children can pretend to be lots of different things and never ever get > that confused with what they do in the ‘real world.’ > > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized > violence by > > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly > think that > > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do > you > > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > > extremely impressionable. > You aren’t giving children nearly enough credit for independent analysis > and thinking. They are impressionable, but also critical. > > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > > awareness. > > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes > music, all > > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality > traits > > in all people and especially children. How could they not? > We agree that they have an impact but disagree what those impacts were. > > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence > is > > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a > part. > > Violence begets violence, peace, peace. > — > Go Lakers! > Chris Chandler > (the Lisa Simpson of a.s.b.n.l-l)

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spewed forth with this: >>Violence begets violence, peace, peace. >Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they >did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. >Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a >prostitute

Thank you, we have all been refreshed and enlightened by your unique point of view, however, it is clear to me that while some drink from the fountain of knowledge, you obviously merely gargled. Jesus did not offer to stone a prostitute at all. What he DID do was to pick up a stone and holding it out toward the angry crowd, said: "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." > (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him).

Now, this sick little ditty I won’t even dignify with a response. could use a little chlorine.

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>The spititual leaders you mentioned in your reply did meet violent deaths >but there life work did also spawn peace. Martin Luther King revelutionized >civil rights in America and around the world, John Lennon wrote beautiful >songs that continue to inspire peace and happiness in people to date, and >Jesus Christ taught humanity to the world at his time and his words are >still being taught 2000 years later. They all lived peaceful lives and as a >result brought more peace to the world. Unfortunately it is a world mired in >ignorance and violence and sometimes their contributions may seem small – >but consider what the world might be like now without their wisdoms…

I don’t think you understood what I meant on this part. I was talking not about the ‘effect’ that these people had on the future…but more in their own time. Your essential thought was that violence begets violence. I am of the school of thought that you can’t have one without the opposite effect. If violence begets violence….then peace begets peace, right? If this is so, that was my point. How come they died in violence if they spoke/taught only peace? I doubt if I worded this right. I just don’t see how the argument  that violence begets violence can stand up, if the opposite…peace begets peace is not also true. If this is so, then how DOES one explain the deaths of such people? That’s all I meant. Josie–mommy to Sarah (10), Lynne (6), and Parker (4)….. (by the way, the name is Dieu Vous Garde)…… Never take life too seriously….nobody ever gets out of it alive anyway.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Violence begets violence, peace, peace. >>Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL >they >>did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. >Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a >prostitute (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him). >That doesn’t sound very non-violent to me. >My biblical knowledge leaves a bit to be desired, but isn’t the prostitute >incident the one in which Jesus says, "Let he who is without sin throw the >first stone"? Or am I thinking of the adulterous wife?

Ah, Barbra.  I knew that someone was gonna call me on the details.  I’m just glad it was you. All that I was trying to do was to make fun at Mark’s expense, by twisting the words *ever* so slightly. Then someone has to come along and ruin all of my fun. Glen "I’m going to my room to pout" Appleby — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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>He was making a point and actually said, "He who is without sin, cast the first >stone". >In other words, "You want to stone her for her sins?  Ok, who is sinless >enough". >Effectively calling them all hypocrites.

Et, tu, Kendra? Glen "I’m gonna be pouting for a *long* time" Appleby — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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>As usual Glen – you have failed to grasp the meaning (unless this is just >more of your biting sarcasm).

Like I said to Gwen, way back when she asked if I could be *more* sarcastic, "Yes, but you are new, here." >Jesus wasn’t offering to stone anybody he was trying to say that nobody is >better than her – as in "He who is WITHOUT sin cast the first stone…" get >it? >Or is JC not PC to you.

Jesus made PCs?  WAY kool! — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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>Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a >prostitute (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him). >That doesn’t sound very non-violent to me.

He was making a point and actually said, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone". In other words, "You want to stone her for her sins?  Ok, who is sinless enough". Effectively calling them all hypocrites. Kendra Proud to be "Outlandish"! http://www.crosswinds.net/~outlandish http://www.crosswinds.net/~graphicsbykendra (under construction) *Something to consider* Amatures built the ark, professionals built the Titanic

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As usual Glen – you have failed to grasp the meaning (unless this is just more of your biting sarcasm). Jesus wasn’t offering to stone anybody he was trying to say that nobody is better than her – as in "He who is WITHOUT sin cast the first stone…" get it? Or is JC not PC to you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Violence begets violence, peace, peace. >Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they >did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. > Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a > prostitute (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him). > That doesn’t sound very non-violent to me. > — > Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. > It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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AJury check out the statistics stated in this article – good overall article actually. (I am not Christian or a religious nut…) http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/8T9030.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Prove it.  Show me numbers and show me the study. > Art stay at home dad for Arthur.

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I do sincerely apologize for the manner in which I posted this as well as the language I used. Not that this is an excuse but I stupidly cut and pasted it from a response I had in another News group from a person who was vehemently postulating that media violence does not affect our children. The anger was totally mis-placed and I aplogize. From what I’ve seen so far the people posting to this newsgroup are "good" loving, concerned parents and I did not mean to post in a way that suggested otherwise. My bad. Please, if you react to this posting, try to react to the content rather than the foolish way it is presented.

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Of course I made a general statement. What did you think I was going to say: "Every person who plays a violent video game WILL committ violent crime?" Come on. I am saying that generally more violence witnessed in our society will add to the liklihood of more violenced committed. It would be ridiculoous to look at violence in our society on a microscopic level. .> Violence has beget violence from the very beginning. Human beings are > violent and they always have been, and most likely always will be. > Denying the violence in our nature is to me, not the proper way to > address it.

Well I guess if your assumption is that "theres nothing to be done about it cause that’s just the way we are" – then we really have no where else to go. Let the violence rain!!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between > violence > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts > committed. > Well, for one thing, I played violent video (and ‘realtime’) games as a > kid and I don’t have a violent bone in my body. In other words, this > theory doesn’t jibe with my experience. Now maybe you didn’t -mean- to > make such a general statement, but you did, and it only weakens the > position that there is -some- influence. > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence > that > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this > such a > hard stretch for some to make? > Why do some people have such a hard time distinguishing fantasy from > reality? Despite everything I’ve heard on the subject, most children > make this distinction all the time — some don’t its true, but most do. > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off > shotgun > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in > graphic > detail has positively no ill effects on children? > No, but then again no one is saying that — why do you insist on > weakening your argument by making such blanket and absurd statements? > Children can pretend to be lots of different things and never ever get > that confused with what they do in the ‘real world.’ > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized > violence by > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly > think that > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do > you > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > extremely impressionable. > You aren’t giving children nearly enough credit for independent analysis > and thinking. They are impressionable, but also critical. > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > awareness. > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes > music, all > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality > traits > in all people and especially children. How could they not? > We agree that they have an impact but disagree what those impacts were. > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence > is > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a > part. > Violence begets violence, peace, peace. > — > Go Lakers! > Chris Chandler > (the Lisa Simpson of a.s.b.n.l-l)

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First of all as I mentioned above in my postings I apologize for my language and the tone in which I presented this it was a reaction to a posting on another newsgroup… I agree with you that the most important thing a parent can do is to be with their children and educate and explain things to them. And if they are going to witness violence be it animated, fictional, or real, it is far better to do so with an understanding parent at their side. My point was/is simply that our society is becoming de-sensitized to violence. And many parents don’t do as thorough a parenting job as you apparently do – many kids don’t even have benefit of parents – or stable parents anyways. The reality is that the aggravated assault rate has gone up nearly 8 times in the last 4 decades. Per capita murder rate more than doubled. Let’s face it Road Runner or even Gunsmoke is a whole lot different than slo-mo closeups of bodys being mutilated and blownapart. The violence today is much more gratuitous as well. It used to at least serve some level of moving the story along now it is introduced for one reason – it sells. The spititual leaders you mentioned in your reply did meet violent deaths but there life work did also spawn peace. Martin Luther King revelutionized civil rights in America and around the world, John Lennon wrote beautiful songs that continue to inspire peace and happiness in people to date, and Jesus Christ taught humanity to the world at his time and his words are still being taught 2000 years later. They all lived peaceful lives and as a result brought more peace to the world. Unfortunately it is a world mired in ignorance and violence and sometimes their contributions may seem small – but consider what the world might be like now without their wisdoms… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that >he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? > I hate to sound like Clinton…..but define ‘perpetually’, please. > Although I shield my children pretty well, in my opinion, from the violence in > movies and whatnot….I also consider myself to be pretty ‘easy-going’. Takes > quite a lot to ruffle my feathers, so to speak, and I try to raise my kids the > same way. However, I am intelligent enough to believe that one man’s poison is > another man’s cure, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, etc…… > I remember how silly I thought it was when they wanted to take the roadrunner > cartoons off the air because of the ‘violence’ portrayed in them, and they > didn’t, but I still think that it was silly. > I grew up watching such things, and way worse, and my kids have video games > (some are violent), and watch quite a bit of things on tv/movies that you could > call violent. I still think it’s all in HOW you raise them, HOW you talk to > them during these movies, etc. > So define ‘perpetually’. Once a day, once a week, what? >Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by >it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? > Yes, I do. Like they didn’t when I was younger, or you? They always have, > always will. Your point? >You better fucking believe > oh now……be nice, or I’ll hunt you down and shoot you …..after all, I DID > grow up on violent cartoons and an unrealistic portrayal of the wild, wild > west…. >Violence begets violence, peace, peace. > Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they > did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. > Josie > Mom to Sarah-(10), Lynne-(6), and Parker-(4) > Where do forest rangers go to ‘get away from it all’?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Violence begets violence, peace, peace. >Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they >did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. >Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a >prostitute (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him). >That doesn’t sound very non-violent to me.

My biblical knowledge leaves a bit to be desired, but isn’t the prostitute incident the one in which Jesus says, "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone"? Or am I thinking of the adulterous wife? — Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97] and Aurora’s [7/19/99] mom) "The hardest thing about raising children is that they’re not stupid." — Me

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I am sorry i tried to explain where this posting was coming from in above postings from "Ed Colt" my friends account… I was wrong to have presented this topic in this manner and use that language. I am sorry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? > Jennifer > Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts committed. > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a > hard stretch for some to make? > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic > detail has positively no ill effects on children? > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > extremely impressionable. > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > awareness. > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes music, all > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality traits > in all people and especially children. How could they not? > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence is > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a part. > Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

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Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts committed. > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a > hard stretch for some to make? > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic > detail has positively no ill effects on children? > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > extremely impressionable. > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > awareness. > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes music, all > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality traits > in all people and especially children. How could they not? > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence is > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a part. > Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

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> Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts

committed. Well, for one thing, I played violent video (and ‘realtime’) games as a kid and I don’t have a violent bone in my body. In other words, this theory doesn’t jibe with my experience. Now maybe you didn’t -mean- to make such a general statement, but you did, and it only weakens the position that there is -some- influence. > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a > hard stretch for some to make?

Why do some people have such a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality? Despite everything I’ve heard on the subject, most children make this distinction all the time — some don’t its true, but most do. > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic > detail has positively no ill effects on children?

No, but then again no one is saying that — why do you insist on weakening your argument by making such blanket and absurd statements? Children can pretend to be lots of different things and never ever get that confused with what they do in the ‘real world.’ > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > extremely impressionable.

You aren’t giving children nearly enough credit for independent analysis and thinking. They are impressionable, but also critical. > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > awareness. > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes music, all > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality traits > in all people and especially children. How could they not?

We agree that they have an impact but disagree what those impacts were. > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence is > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a part. > Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

Violence has beget violence from the very beginning. Human beings are violent and they always have been, and most likely always will be. Denying the violence in our nature is to me, not the proper way to address it. — Go Lakers! Chris Chandler (the Lisa Simpson of a.s.b.n.l-l)

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you are correct – I apologize – see above posting for explanation…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between > violence > perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts > committed. > Well, for one thing, I played violent video (and ‘realtime’) games as a > kid and I don’t have a violent bone in my body. In other words, this > theory doesn’t jibe with my experience. Now maybe you didn’t -mean- to > make such a general statement, but you did, and it only weakens the > position that there is -some- influence. > Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence > that > he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this > such a > hard stretch for some to make? > Why do some people have such a hard time distinguishing fantasy from > reality? Despite everything I’ve heard on the subject, most children > make this distinction all the time — some don’t its true, but most do. > Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off > shotgun > going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in > graphic > detail has positively no ill effects on children? > No, but then again no one is saying that — why do you insist on > weakening your argument by making such blanket and absurd statements? > Children can pretend to be lots of different things and never ever get > that confused with what they do in the ‘real world.’ > Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized > violence by > it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly > think that > when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do > you > think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are > extremely impressionable. > You aren’t giving children nearly enough credit for independent analysis > and thinking. They are impressionable, but also critical. > Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your > awareness. > You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes > music, all > have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality > traits > in all people and especially children. How could they not? > We agree that they have an impact but disagree what those impacts were. > Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence > is > caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a > part. > Violence begets violence, peace, peace. > Violence has beget violence from the very beginning. Human beings are > violent and they always have been, and most likely always will be. > Denying the violence in our nature is to me, not the proper way to > address it. > — > Go Lakers! > Chris Chandler > (the Lisa Simpson of a.s.b.n.l-l)

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I don’t know much about Jesus, but in the old testament (in Leviticus, I believe) it is written that a woman who is defiled by harlotry be stoned. Since Jesus was Jewish, he read the Torah (old testament), and so must have been quoting from the bible. Heidi

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You are correct of course Kendra. I apologize. I should have modified this as it was actually a response to a posting on TPG "talk.politics.guns" stating essentially the opposite of what I have postulated here. I foolishly just cut and pasted instead of considering the tone in which I was presenting this in. Once again – all apologies. p.s. you are right about foul language too – I do not speak that way ever around my kids.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence >perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts committed. >Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that >he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a >hard stretch for some to make? >Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun >going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic >detail has positively no ill effects on children? >Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by >it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that >when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you >think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are >extremely impressionable. >Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your >awareness. > Agreed, but WHY are you phrasing this as an attack against parents?  You aren’t > going to get very far with your methods.  Parents are going to put you in your > place, and rightfully so, by informing you that they do not subect their > children to violence 24/7.  Some don’t care or don’t realize but the parents > here care enough to discuss these things. >You better fucking believe > Nice attitude. > <snip> >Violence begets violence, peace, peace. > And what does foul language beget?  Do you speak to your kids that way? > Kendra > Proud to be "Outlandish"! > http://www.crosswinds.net/~outlandish > http://www.crosswinds.net/~graphicsbykendra (under construction) > *Something to consider* > Amatures built the ark, professionals built the Titanic

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>>Violence begets violence, peace, peace. >Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they >did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them.

Now you seem to have overlooked that Jesus offered to stone a prostitute (maybe because she wouldn’t put out for him). That doesn’t sound very non-violent to me. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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> You better fucking believe that

It seems the media certainly has had an effect on you. Just because they swear in MOVIES doesn’t mean you should.

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>Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that >he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently?

I hate to sound like Clinton…..but define ‘perpetually’, please. Although I shield my children pretty well, in my opinion, from the violence in movies and whatnot….I also consider myself to be pretty ‘easy-going’. Takes quite a lot to ruffle my feathers, so to speak, and I try to raise my kids the same way. However, I am intelligent enough to believe that one man’s poison is another man’s cure, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, etc…… I remember how silly I thought it was when they wanted to take the roadrunner cartoons off the air because of the ‘violence’ portrayed in them, and they didn’t, but I still think that it was silly. I grew up watching such things, and way worse, and my kids have video games (some are violent), and watch quite a bit of things on tv/movies that you could call violent. I still think it’s all in HOW you raise them, HOW you talk to them during these movies, etc. So define ‘perpetually’. Once a day, once a week, what? >Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by >it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war?

Yes, I do. Like they didn’t when I was younger, or you? They always have, always will. Your point? >You better fucking believe

oh now……be nice, or I’ll hunt you down and shoot you …..after all, I DID grow up on violent cartoons and an unrealistic portrayal of the wild, wild west…. >Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

Not always……look at Jesus, John Lennon, Martin Luther King……ALL they did was talk peace and non-violence….look what happened to them. Josie Mom to Sarah-(10), Lynne-(6), and Parker-(4) Where do forest rangers go to ‘get away from it all’?

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Prove it.  Show me numbers and show me the study. Art stay at home dad for Arthur.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence >perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts committed. >Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that >he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a >hard stretch for some to make? >Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun >going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic >detail has positively no ill effects on children? >Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by >it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that >when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you >think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are >extremely impressionable. >Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your >awareness.

Agreed, but WHY are you phrasing this as an attack against parents?  You aren’t going to get very far with your methods.  Parents are going to put you in your place, and rightfully so, by informing you that they do not subect their children to violence 24/7.  Some don’t care or don’t realize but the parents here care enough to discuss these things.   >You better fucking believe

Nice attitude. <snip> >Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

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Why do people have such a hard time making the connection between violence perpetrated in video games and movies and actual violent acts committed. Don’t you think that if a child’s attention is perpetually on violence that he/she is more likely to think and thus act violently? Why is this such a hard stretch for some to make? Do you really think that pretending to be a guy with a sawed off shotgun going around blowing peoples heads off and showing everything in graphic detail has positively no ill effects on children? Don’t you think that Hollywood has glamorized and romanticized violence by it’s glib portrayals of cops and robbers and war? DO you honestly think that when children see this it just goes in one ear and  out the other. Do you think children are just empty spaces? They’re not. In fact they are extremely impressionable. Necessarily, what you put your attention on grows stronger in your awareness. You better fucking believe that video games, movies, TV, and yes music, all have an impact and DO count into forming and bringing out personality traits in all people and especially children. How could they not? Of course they are not the soul cause of violence but rather violence is caused by a collective decay of standards of behavior which they are a part. Violence begets violence, peace, peace.

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