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Now she has moved on to Misc.Kids. I guess we ignored her a little too good over here. Will this nightmare known as Mother Hickey ever go away? Laura Christine I may be going to hell in a bucket— but at least I’m enjoying the ride If Momma aint happy, Aint nobody happy.
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >|ok…..i really hope that this person is truly just making this stuff up. >|You should be in jail for the things you’ve done to your children. You >|better eat some of those hot peppers yourself because your going to need to >|know how hell feels….you’ll be there soon enough. I’ll bet your really a >|lonely old man with nothing else to do than write trash on newsgroups. You >|are truly,truly a sick individual.
Max ("mother hickey", et. al.) really is a sick, lonely old man. I believe all these "children" of his are imaginary. Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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Sooner or later, Ron, you’ll find out first hand that hell is no myth. Then you’ll cry out in regret, "Why, oh why didn’t I listen to Mother Hickey when I had the chance?!?!" You remember that. Jesus Loves EVEN You, Scoffer That You Are! Mother Hickey of Dallas
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Oh, get real, Stephanie! You’ve been reading too many of those trashy V.C. Andrews books and believing in them! How can you begin to compare me, a mother of six who has saved literally hundreds of young people from lives of crime and drug dependence, with people who torture and murder children? You’re insane! I’m more dangerous than the guy who raped and strangled Polly Klaas? Are you on LSD? If not, you’ve got an overworked imagination. Did I not say that God gives children the benefit of the doubt in most cases? I did. Go back over your notes if you doubt my word. I never said children would be thrown into hell for all eternity for telling lies or stealing cookies. I said God spared children who misbehaved as a result of bad upbringing. God punishes willful disobedience. When did I ever say I held a child’s hand over a stove? I didn’t. I would tell them something was hot and if they chose to doubt my word they’d get a big surprise. One of my daughters was begging for a taste of hot fudge one day. I told her it had to cool off but she wouldn’t sit down and wait. So I gave her a mouthful of the stuff — not hot enough to hurt her but hot enough to make her mind her manners the next time. Is that torture? I don’t think so. If a child of mine stole a cookie I would not let him have any more cookies for a week or so. I never had lots of cookies around the house because they’re bad for kids’ teeth. I gave them apples and pears instead. Of course, if they don’t dispose of the core properly they’d wake up with it in their beds the next day, along with any ants who wanted a bite too, which they would then have to kill one by one. I don’t call that torture. I call that tough love. If a child lies to me I ask him if he’s sure what he’s telling me is the truth. I usually expose the lie and remove a privilege for a few days. I explain, "No TV for a week. You’ve lost touch with reality." If they lie about something serious, such as taking a two-year-old across a busy highway, they deserve a spanking. Bear in mind that I spank. I don’t slap beat or kick or punch children and I never have. I would never dream of pushing a child down a flight of stairs or of making one stand still and hold a gallon of bleach. I know that’s dangerous. I don’t know you or your family, but I do know that people involved in so-called law enforcement are the second biggest child and spouse abusers. Men in the military are number one. The authorities in my community laud my Holy Work of keeping kids off the streets, off dope, out of whorehouses, and in Church. I have walked right up to people shooting up heroin and took the needles out of their hands. I don’t call that abusive. You sound like one of those bleeding-heart ultra-liberal parents who believe children should be given everything their little wicked hearts desire and be allowed to rule our lives. Such parents are the reason our kids have no motivation today. They just want to vegetate in front of the TV. I’m here to change all that. You can get with the program or not. Just don’t say I told you so when the teenage hoodlums snatch your purse or walk off with your lawn jockey. I also think you need to master the correct usage of the pronouns "myself" and "yourself." Bad grammar is a sign of bad upbringing. You have a thing or two to learn about using hyphens too. I’m glad your not my kids’ teacher. I love children, and give them only the tough love they need — nothing more, nothing less. Jesus loves you, Pray to Him, Mother Hickey of Dallas
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > — origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >|ok…..i really hope that this person is truly just making this stuff up. >|You should be in jail for the things you’ve done to your children. You >|better eat some of those hot peppers yourself because your going to need to >|know how hell feels….you’ll be there soon enough. I’ll bet your really a >|lonely old man with nothing else to do than write trash on newsgroups. You >|are truly,truly a sick individual. > Max ("mother hickey", et. al.) really is a sick, lonely old man. I > believe all these "children" of his are imaginary. > Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." > BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." > ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto > If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for > people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. > —- Noam Chomsky
I agree Erik. From her posts it appears that she has nothing better to do than to judge others and that she is anti-government; law enforcement and a border line racist. Everyone in the newgroup should just ignore her and not answer her posts and maybe she’ll just go away. Stephanie
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ok…..i really hope that this person is truly just making this stuff up. You should be in jail for the things you’ve done to your children. You better eat some of those hot peppers yourself because your going to need to know how hell feels….you’ll be there soon enough. I’ll bet your really a lonely old man with nothing else to do than write trash on newsgroups. You are truly,truly a sick individual.
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Expose your children to sources of knowledge about non-mythological phenomena. – Ron Low Levity is the dearth of gravity. Brevity is the height of clarity. non-commercial e-mail always welcome Allow 2 days for replies
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> I’ll bet your really a >lonely old man with nothing else to do than >write trash on newsgroups. You >are truly,truly a sick individual.
Hey, it took us a while to figure out it was Max. You pretty much hit the nail on the head on your first try! Congratulations. Kendra http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lane/6516 *See my Valentines Day page!* — "If a man speaks in a forest, and there isn’t a woman around to hear him: Is he still wrong?"
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: [===] >| Basically, hell is a pitch-black pit whose stench of sulfur is >|unbearable to living humans. Unrepentant sinners are dropped into it >|from above and usually land on other sinners. There is a struggle for >|space and each new sinner must dig a hole for himself in the hot >|cinders. Bigger, tougher, meaner sinners constantly push weaker ones out >|and the search for more space begins. Sinners fall into hell from above >|constantly, colliding with other sinners. No one can be trusted for hate >|and suspicion rule the day. Sinners must enlarge hell by digging through >|radioactive rock with their bare hands. >| Occasionally fly by and with their pitchforks skewer certain
"Occasionally fly by" does not parse correctly. (Missing subject for verb "fly"). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->|sinners who deserve special punishment. Adulterers, fornicators, and >|sodomites must often sit in boiling cauldrons for centuries on end, >|stewing in their own juices — and in their tears of regret. Thieves >|often have their hands nailed to the walls of the cave and other sinners >|are allowed to frisk and abuse them. Mockers often lose the use of their >|hands and must dig with their teeth. The tongues that uttered blasphemy >|in life are thus burned away. The lustful may be salted with fire, >|meaning that combustible materials are sprinkled on their flesh and then >|ignited. The fires of their torment will never go out. >| The horrors of hell are truly unimaginable. I think children >|ought to be encouraged to draw pictures of famous sinners — Judas, Simon >|Magus, Ananias and Sapphira, and, yes, the little boys who taunted Elisha >|– burning in hell. I put the pictures my kids drew on the refrigerator >|door so they all would be reminded of the torments that awaited the >|disobedient in the hereafter. I was amazed to see how many of my >|neighbors actually averted their eyes from the sight. I told them that >|they, too, might wind up in the Pit if they weren’t careful. And before >|ANY of you say I have a grisly sense of Divine retribution, let me tell >|you that Dante Alighieri’s "Divine Comedy" is still a bestseller and that >|his "Inferno" is still more popular than the other two sections. >| My daughter Kasha took an art class once and did a collage on >|hell with featured many prominent pagan sinners. It taught kids both >|religion and history since it explained why Caligula and Nero were being >|punished in hell. Her teacher ruled it "inappropriate" until I stepped in >|and preached the Gospel to her. She eventually gave my baby a >|satisfactory grade but then refused to display the collage in the school’s >|hallway with the others. It now hangs in my Holy Church for all to see and >|marvel at!
You are one sick puppy, Max. You must be steadily losing your grip with every passing day. >|Hell is HOT! >| >|Merciless Mother Hickey
Mother of Demons. Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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The sickest and most dangerous people in the world are religious fanatics like yourself who twist the words in the Holy Bible to fit your own sick beliefs. I believe that the Lord would not send a three year old child to hell because he stole a cookie or told a lie! I also believe that the Lord has final judgement over all, not sick sadistic people like yourself. What is your punishment for stealing? Holding a child’s hand over a stove? Then telling them that’s what hell is like. If the authorities in your area condone the torture you perform on children they are as sick as you are. My father is in law enforcement as is myself and my husband and people such as yourself get arrested for the same tortures you submit children too! A 3 year old boy was tortured and killed by his mother and father approximately one year ago in my area. For stealing a piece of candy he was forced to stand holding a gallon of bleach in each hand for hours and beaten if he moved; he was burned, brutalized and used as a punching bag; thrown down stairs for hours until he died. Does the punishment fit the crime "Sweet Mother Holiness". That child already went through hell, I can’t believe the God would send him there. And also note, the child’s mother, father and a family friend who was also allowed to join in giving this child his punishment were arrested and maybe facing the death penalty!! Like I said before there is a big difference between discipline and torture unfortunately for the children in your care it seems that you can not distinguish the difference. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re weak as water, Stephanie! Are you denying that the Holy > Bible says that those who refuse to obey the Gospel of Our Lord and > Savior Jesus Christ will be rounded up and thrown into hell? If you do, > you’ve fallen for Satan’s "feel good" gospel of white lies, which puts a > thousand new people in hell every day. > What do you honestly think happens to kids who willfully lie and > cheat and steal, or curse and mock and beat up on other children and then > happen to die? Do you think God gives them a popsicle for all their > wrongdoing? He doesn’t. Do you think He just lets wicked kids off the > hook because they’re immature? Of course not! > Do you remember the nasty-minded little boys who made fun of > Elisha’s bald head? Remember what God did to them? He sent hungry > she-bears after them and believe me the sight when they got through with > those brats was not pretty. > I never told my kids they would burn in hell specifically for not > coming to dinner on time. My punishment for that was to hide hot peppers > in their mashed potatoes. I gave them a tiny taste of hell so they would > know where continued disobedience would lead them. > I don’t consider what I did to my children abuse. > I had four children of my own and adopted two others. I was > tougher on the adopted ones because their parents were pure trash. I > have just recently adopted another boy and his parents are so filthy I’m > going to have to have his gene pool checked out when he gets a little > older. I may have to have him sterilized. All my other children are > grown up and have NEVER been in trouble. They’re married except for one, > who’s proud to be a virgin. My oldest daughter is expecting a baby. All > are involved in Church work and couldn’t be happier. One teaches in a > Christian school. None of them have ever needed psychological counseling. > I run a daycare center through the Church in which each parent > must sign a waver allowing me to spank his or her child if said child > gets out of line. They all sign it cheerfully, knowing their loved ones > are in good hands with me. I take an active interest in children and > know how to communicate with them on their level. I am praised by the local > authorities for the tough love I give all children. > In the old days most children were spanked. You don’t see most > people my age (49) in counseling, do you? That’s because tough > discipline works. Moreover, it is not torture. It’s tough love. > Jesus Loves You, > Mother Hickey of Dallas > First Universal Christian Kingdom
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"Yikes!" is right, Carol. See how such a vivid description makes you want to avoid hell at all costs. I hope you went to Church today and repented. Don is an atheist and is not giving us an accurate portrait of what goes on in hell, but he’s close enough for my money. He may be quoting from a Gospel tract someone in my religion — but not in my Holy Church — wrote. I don’t think Stephanie is religious enough to have seen glimpses of hell, but I have. I can tell you it’s no laughing matter. Basically, hell is a pitch-black pit whose stench of sulfur is unbearable to living humans. Unrepentant sinners are dropped into it from above and usually land on other sinners. There is a struggle for space and each new sinner must dig a hole for himself in the hot cinders. Bigger, tougher, meaner sinners constantly push weaker ones out and the search for more space begins. Sinners fall into hell from above constantly, colliding with other sinners. No one can be trusted for hate and suspicion rule the day. Sinners must enlarge hell by digging through radioactive rock with their bare hands. Occasionally fly by and with their pitchforks skewer certain sinners who deserve special punishment. Adulterers, fornicators, and sodomites must often sit in boiling cauldrons for centuries on end, stewing in their own juices — and in their tears of regret. Thieves often have their hands nailed to the walls of the cave and other sinners are allowed to frisk and abuse them. Mockers often lose the use of their hands and must dig with their teeth. The tongues that uttered blasphemy in life are thus burned away. The lustful may be salted with fire, meaning that combustible materials are sprinkled on their flesh and then ignited. The fires of their torment will never go out. The horrors of hell are truly unimaginable. I think children ought to be encouraged to draw pictures of famous sinners — Judas, Simon Magus, Ananias and Sapphira, and, yes, the little boys who taunted Elisha — burning in hell. I put the pictures my kids drew on the refrigerator door so they all would be reminded of the torments that awaited the disobedient in the hereafter. I was amazed to see how many of my neighbors actually averted their eyes from the sight. I told them that they, too, might wind up in the Pit if they weren’t careful. And before ANY of you say I have a grisly sense of Divine retribution, let me tell you that Dante Alighieri’s "Divine Comedy" is still a bestseller and that his "Inferno" is still more popular than the other two sections. My daughter Kasha took an art class once and did a collage on hell with featured many prominent pagan sinners. It taught kids both religion and history since it explained why Caligula and Nero were being punished in hell. Her teacher ruled it "inappropriate" until I stepped in and preached the Gospel to her. She eventually gave my baby a satisfactory grade but then refused to display the collage in the school’s hallway with the others. It now hangs in my Holy Church for all to see and marvel at! Jesus Loves You BUT… Hell is HOT! Merciful Mother Hickey Dallas, Texas
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > "A little child is in this red-hot oven. Hear how it screams to > come out. See how it turns and twists itself about in the fire! > It beats its head against the roof of the oven. > "His eyes are burning like two coals. Two long flames come out > of his ears…. Sometimes he opens his mouth, and breath of > blazing fire rolls out. > "There is a sound … of a kettle boiling. Is it really a > kettle boiling? No. then what is it? Hear what it is. The blood > is boiling in the scalding veins of that boy. > "The blood is boiling in the scalding veins of that boy. The > brain is bubbling and boiling in his head. The marrow is > boiling in his bones. > Don > *** Sorry for the inconvenience, but in an effort to completely > thwart SPAM, I do not post my actual e-mail address (or even a > distorted version of it). If you want to e-mail me, say so in a > "Attn. Don M." and I’ll likely respond with an e-mail.***
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A few of you are under the assumption that I’m an abusive parent because I gave my children tough love, which involved frequent and vigorous spankings. To me, spanking does not constitute abuse. Nor does teaching bratty kids a lesson by locking them in their rooms or taping their mouths shut when the situation warrants. However, I fully concede that such measures are not right for all children. Some kids are wimps. They may be spoiled rotten or just naturally timid. Either way, regular spankings might indeed warp a lily-white child’s personality. It is therefore in my opinion never too early to start warning children about the horrors of hell. Children as young as two who wilfully disobey their parents often wind up there and burn in the flames for all eternity. God is very merciful to children and always gives them the behefit of the doubt. If they misbehave necause of lousy upbringing and die accidentally, which is usually the case, God will spare them and allow them into Heaven. A child’s faith is a precious thing. Be sure you cultivate it properly. Explain to your children that God loves ALL of us, even the flotsam and jetsom in your family (or neighborhood) that you can’t stand to have around. (Jews may of course substitute "God" for "Jesus" since Jesus will reveal Himself as God on Judgment Day and faithful Jews will go to Heaven alongside Christians without giving up their distinctive religion. Explain that we must accept Jesus’ — God’s — love by obeying the Gospel — or the Torah. This means no cursing, no lying, no stealing, and so on, according to the child’s maturity level. (Basically, you add new regulations as you go along. Tell the kids, "You’re not a baby [a two-year-old, a three-year-old, etc.] any more, and you mustn’t behave like one.") If children insist on disobeying willfully, when they die — something that may happen any minute to any of us — God will judge them and send them to a deep, black pit in which wicked people are tortured endlessly in flames. Read the story of Lazarus and Dives to your children. (Jews can read about Ahasuerus and Haman.) Encourage your children to draw a vivid picture of Dives roasting in hellfire while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s Bosom afar off. They can draw Dives crying out for Lazarus to give him even a drop of water to cool his tongue. Explain that Dives has been burning in hell for at least two THOUSAND years — give or take a decade — and that he will NEVER get out. He will never stop suffering — EVER. It doesn’t hurt to give kids a little reminder of what hell is like. If fair-skinned kids insist on cavorting around in the sun in a state of semi-dress, lock them out of the house until their skin is toasted. When applying sunburn ointment, remind them that hell is hotter. As everyone knows, I put jalapeno peppers in my sons’ potatoes once when they refused to come to the dinner table on time. My son Kilbert cried out, "Oh Mama! My mouth feels like it’s in hell." I shook my head and assured him that hell is MUCH hotter than any pepper. Last summer the temperature in Dallas stayed over a hundred degrees for over a month. I laughed at my neighbors — the kids are all grown now — and told them this was nothing compared to hell. When your children get burned, tell them hell is worse. I ride the buses in Dallas so I can witness to people of all ages. I give tracts to any child who can read warning him about the horrors of hell. One such tract is entitled "Stay Out of Hell." I’ll post ordering information soon because I know ALL of you are eager to use it in YOUR personal ministry to lost hellions. Jesus Loves You ALL, Sinner or Saint Sweet Mother Holiness
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I dont know ANY other parents who teach their children such horrible things! I would NEVER tell my child the things you tell yours — anyone else agree with me on this?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A few of you are under the assumption that I’m an abusive parent >because I gave my children tough love, which involved frequent and >vigorous spankings. To me, spanking does not constitute abuse. Nor does >teaching bratty kids a lesson by locking them in their rooms or taping their >mouths shut when the situation warrants. > However, I fully concede that such measures are not right for all >children. Some kids are wimps. They may be spoiled rotten or just >naturally timid. Either way, regular spankings might indeed warp a >lily-white child’s personality. > It is therefore in my opinion never too early to start warning >children about the horrors of hell. Children as young as two who >wilfully disobey their parents often wind up there and burn in the flames >for all eternity. God is very merciful to children and always gives them >the behefit of the doubt. If they misbehave necause of lousy upbringing >and die accidentally, which is usually the case, God will spare them and >allow them into Heaven. A child’s faith is a precious thing. Be sure >you cultivate it properly. > Explain to your children that God loves ALL of us, even the >flotsam and jetsom in your family (or neighborhood) that you can’t >stand to have around. (Jews may of course substitute "God" for "Jesus" >since Jesus will reveal Himself as God on Judgment Day and faithful Jews >will go to Heaven alongside Christians without giving up their >distinctive religion. Explain that we must accept Jesus’ — God’s — >love by obeying the Gospel — or the Torah. This means no cursing, no >lying, no stealing, and so on, according to the child’s maturity level. >(Basically, you add new regulations as you go along. Tell the kids, >"You’re not a baby [a two-year-old, a three-year-old, etc.] any more, and >you mustn’t behave like one.") If children insist on disobeying >willfully, when they die — something that may happen any minute to any >of us — God will judge them and send them to a deep, black pit in which >wicked people are tortured endlessly in flames. Read the story of >Lazarus and Dives to your children. (Jews can read about Ahasuerus and >Haman.) Encourage your children to draw a vivid picture of Dives >roasting in hellfire while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s Bosom afar >off. They can draw Dives crying out for Lazarus to give him even a drop >of water to cool his tongue. Explain that Dives has been burning in hell >for at least two THOUSAND years — give or take a decade — and that he >will NEVER get out. He will never stop suffering — EVER. > It doesn’t hurt to give kids a little reminder of what hell is like. >If fair-skinned kids insist on cavorting around in the sun in a state of >semi-dress, lock them out of the house until their skin is toasted. When >applying sunburn ointment, remind them that hell is hotter. As everyone >knows, I put jalapeno peppers in my sons’ potatoes once when they refused >to come to the dinner table on time. My son Kilbert cried out, "Oh >Mama! My mouth feels like it’s in hell." I shook my head and assured >him that hell is MUCH hotter than any pepper. Last summer the >temperature in Dallas stayed over a hundred degrees for over a month. I >laughed at my neighbors — the kids are all grown now — and told them >this was nothing compared to hell. When your children get burned, tell >them hell is worse. > I ride the buses in Dallas so I can witness to people of all >ages. I give tracts to any child who can read warning him about the >horrors of hell. One such tract is entitled "Stay Out of Hell." I’ll >post ordering information soon because I know ALL of you are eager to use >it in YOUR personal ministry to lost hellions. >Jesus Loves You ALL, >Sinner or Saint >Sweet Mother Holiness
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Heck yes I agree with you!!!! Don’t pay her any mind. She/He is our resident troll, who no matter what we say or do refuses to go away. Just ignore her and laugh at the ridiculous things it says and you’ll be better off. Don’t fall into the trap like so many of us {myself included} have. Frankly, I’m terribly weary and bored of it all. Laura Christine I may be going to hell in a bucket— but at least I’m enjoying the ride
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I think you must of had a bad childhood and because of this I can dismiss anything you say..maybe you should be getting some help to resolve these old issues..don’t you think? Wendy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A few of you are under the assumption that I’m an abusive parent >because I gave my children tough love, which involved frequent and >vigorous spankings. To me, spanking does not constitute abuse. Nor does >teaching bratty kids a lesson by locking them in their rooms or taping their >mouths shut when the situation warrants. > However, I fully concede that such measures are not right for all >children. Some kids are wimps. They may be spoiled rotten or just >naturally timid. Either way, regular spankings might indeed warp a >lily-white child’s personality. > It is therefore in my opinion never too early to start warning >children about the horrors of hell. Children as young as two who >wilfully disobey their parents often wind up there and burn in the flames >for all eternity. God is very merciful to children and always gives them >the behefit of the doubt. If they misbehave necause of lousy upbringing >and die accidentally, which is usually the case, God will spare them and >allow them into Heaven. A child’s faith is a precious thing. Be sure >you cultivate it properly. > Explain to your children that God loves ALL of us, even the >flotsam and jetsom in your family (or neighborhood) that you can’t >stand to have around. (Jews may of course substitute "God" for "Jesus" >since Jesus will reveal Himself as God on Judgment Day and faithful Jews >will go to Heaven alongside Christians without giving up their >distinctive religion. Explain that we must accept Jesus’ — God’s — >love by obeying the Gospel — or the Torah. This means no cursing, no >lying, no stealing, and so on, according to the child’s maturity level. >(Basically, you add new regulations as you go along. Tell the kids, >"You’re not a baby [a two-year-old, a three-year-old, etc.] any more, and >you mustn’t behave like one.") If children insist on disobeying >willfully, when they die — something that may happen any minute to any >of us — God will judge them and send them to a deep, black pit in which >wicked people are tortured endlessly in flames. Read the story of >Lazarus and Dives to your children. (Jews can read about Ahasuerus and >Haman.) Encourage your children to draw a vivid picture of Dives >roasting in hellfire while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s Bosom afar >off. They can draw Dives crying out for Lazarus to give him even a drop >of water to cool his tongue. Explain that Dives has been burning in hell >for at least two THOUSAND years — give or take a decade — and that he >will NEVER get out. He will never stop suffering — EVER. > It doesn’t hurt to give kids a little reminder of what hell is like. >If fair-skinned kids insist on cavorting around in the sun in a state of >semi-dress, lock them out of the house until their skin is toasted. When >applying sunburn ointment, remind them that hell is hotter. As everyone >knows, I put jalapeno peppers in my sons’ potatoes once when they refused >to come to the dinner table on time. My son Kilbert cried out, "Oh >Mama! My mouth feels like it’s in hell." I shook my head and assured >him that hell is MUCH hotter than any pepper. Last summer the >temperature in Dallas stayed over a hundred degrees for over a month. I >laughed at my neighbors — the kids are all grown now — and told them >this was nothing compared to hell. When your children get burned, tell >them hell is worse. > I ride the buses in Dallas so I can witness to people of all >ages. I give tracts to any child who can read warning him about the >horrors of hell. One such tract is entitled "Stay Out of Hell." I’ll >post ordering information soon because I know ALL of you are eager to use >it in YOUR personal ministry to lost hellions. >Jesus Loves You ALL, >Sinner or Saint >Sweet Mother Holiness
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Justin, I agree with you. I was brought up in a religious home and was never told that I was going to burn in hell because I didn’t come to the dinner table on time or other such abominable behavior. I was brought up with discipline, not abuse as "Sweet Mother Holiness" advises. I was brought up to work hard, respect others, and live by the 10 Commandments which I follow and bring my children up to follow. I have never seen the need to warp my children by advising them that they are going to burn in hell nor do they learn this at school (they attend a private religious school). I believe there is a big difference between discipline and torture. I’d like to know how her kids turned out, psycological councelling, prison, etc. Hopefully if they have children of there own they are not perpetuating the cycle of child abuse!!! If they are still young enough to be living at home, I pray for their sake that she gets reported to the local Child Protective Services!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I dont know ANY other parents who teach their children such horrible > things! I would NEVER tell my child the things you tell yours — anyone > else agree with me on this?? > A few of you are under the assumption that I’m an abusive parent >because I gave my children tough love, which involved frequent and >vigorous spankings. To me, spanking does not constitute abuse. Nor does >teaching bratty kids a lesson by locking them in their rooms or taping > their >mouths shut when the situation warrants. > However, I fully concede that such measures are not right for all >children. Some kids are wimps. They may be spoiled rotten or just >naturally timid. Either way, regular spankings might indeed warp a >lily-white child’s personality. > It is therefore in my opinion never too early to start warning >children about the horrors of hell. Children as young as two who >wilfully disobey their parents often wind up there and burn in the flames >for all eternity. God is very merciful to children and always gives them >the behefit of the doubt. If they misbehave necause of lousy upbringing >and die accidentally, which is usually the case, God will spare them and >allow them into Heaven. A child’s faith is a precious thing. Be sure >you cultivate it properly. > Explain to your children that God loves ALL of us, even the >flotsam and jetsom in your family (or neighborhood) that you can’t >stand to have around. (Jews may of course substitute "God" for "Jesus" >since Jesus will reveal Himself as God on Judgment Day and faithful Jews >will go to Heaven alongside Christians without giving up their >distinctive religion. Explain that we must accept Jesus’ — God’s — >love by obeying the Gospel — or the Torah. This means no cursing, no >lying, no stealing, and so on, according to the child’s maturity level. >(Basically, you add new regulations as you go along. Tell the kids, >"You’re not a baby [a two-year-old, a three-year-old, etc.] any more, and >you mustn’t behave like one.") If children insist on disobeying >willfully, when they die — something that may happen any minute to any >of us — God will judge them and send them to a deep, black pit in which >wicked people are tortured endlessly in flames. Read the story of >Lazarus and Dives to your children. (Jews can read about Ahasuerus and >Haman.) Encourage your children to draw a vivid picture of Dives >roasting in hellfire while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s Bosom afar >off. They can draw Dives crying out for Lazarus to give him even a drop >of water to cool his tongue. Explain that Dives has been burning in hell >for at least two THOUSAND years — give or take a decade — and that he >will NEVER get out. He will never stop suffering — EVER. > It doesn’t hurt to give kids a little reminder of what hell is like. >If fair-skinned kids insist on cavorting around in the sun in a state of >semi-dress, lock them out of the house until their skin is toasted. When >applying sunburn ointment, remind them that hell is hotter. As everyone >knows, I put jalapeno peppers in my sons’ potatoes once when they refused >to come to the dinner table on time. My son Kilbert cried out, "Oh >Mama! My mouth feels like it’s in hell." I shook my head and assured >him that hell is MUCH hotter than any pepper. Last summer the >temperature in Dallas stayed over a hundred degrees for over a month. I >laughed at my neighbors — the kids are all grown now — and told them >this was nothing compared to hell. When your children get burned, tell >them hell is worse. > I ride the buses in Dallas so I can witness to people of all >ages. I give tracts to any child who can read warning him about the >horrors of hell. One such tract is entitled "Stay Out of Hell." I’ll >post ordering information soon because I know ALL of you are eager to use >it in YOUR personal ministry to lost hellions. >Jesus Loves You ALL, >Sinner or Saint >Sweet Mother Holiness
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >|Justin, >| >|I agree with you. I was brought up in a religious home and was never told >|that I was going to burn in hell because I didn’t come to the dinner table on >|time or other such abominable behavior. I was brought up with discipline, >|not abuse as "Sweet Mother Holiness" advises. I was brought up to work hard, >|respect others, and live by the 10 Commandments which I follow and bring my >|children up to follow. I have never seen the need to warp my children by >|advising them that they are going to burn in hell nor do they learn this at >|school (they attend a private religious school). I believe there is a big >|difference between discipline and torture. I’d like to know how her kids >|turned out, psycological councelling, prison, etc. Hopefully if they have >|children of there own they are not perpetuating the cycle of child abuse!!! >|If they are still young enough to be living at home, I pray for their sake >|that she gets reported to the local Child Protective Services!!
"Mother Hickey" is a troll who was no doubt so severely abused by his parent that he developed multiple personality disorder or some other such ailment. Or it could be that this character is just generally whacky. I’m beginning to doubt that this person even *had/has* children. (They take too much time away from his usenet trolling). Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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You’re weak as water, Stephanie! Are you denying that the Holy Bible says that those who refuse to obey the Gospel of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be rounded up and thrown into hell? If you do, you’ve fallen for Satan’s "feel good" gospel of white lies, which puts a thousand new people in hell every day. What do you honestly think happens to kids who willfully lie and cheat and steal, or curse and mock and beat up on other children and then happen to die? Do you think God gives them a popsicle for all their wrongdoing? He doesn’t. Do you think He just lets wicked kids off the hook because they’re immature? Of course not! Do you remember the nasty-minded little boys who made fun of Elisha’s bald head? Remember what God did to them? He sent hungry she-bears after them and believe me the sight when they got through with those brats was not pretty. I never told my kids they would burn in hell specifically for not coming to dinner on time. My punishment for that was to hide hot peppers in their mashed potatoes. I gave them a tiny taste of hell so they would know where continued disobedience would lead them. I don’t consider what I did to my children abuse. I had four children of my own and adopted two others. I was tougher on the adopted ones because their parents were pure trash. I have just recently adopted another boy and his parents are so filthy I’m going to have to have his gene pool checked out when he gets a little older. I may have to have him sterilized. All my other children are grown up and have NEVER been in trouble. They’re married except for one, who’s proud to be a virgin. My oldest daughter is expecting a baby. All are involved in Church work and couldn’t be happier. One teaches in a Christian school. None of them have ever needed psychological counseling. I run a daycare center through the Church in which each parent must sign a waver allowing me to spank his or her child if said child gets out of line. They all sign it cheerfully, knowing their loved ones are in good hands with me. I take an active interest in children and know how to communicate with them on their level. I am praised by the local authorities for the tough love I give all children. In the old days most children were spanked. You don’t see most people my age (49) in counseling, do you? That’s because tough discipline works. Moreover, it is not torture. It’s tough love. Jesus Loves You, Mother Hickey of Dallas First Universal Christian Kingdom
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— origin: alt.parenting.solutions: >| A few of you are under the assumption that I’m an abusive parent >|because I gave my children tough love, which involved frequent and >|vigorous spankings. To me, spanking does not constitute abuse. Nor does >|teaching bratty kids a lesson by locking them in their rooms or taping their >|mouths shut when the situation warrants.
It is regarded as abuse by the greater part of society. People go to jail for it. >| However, I fully concede that such measures are not right for all >|children. Some kids are wimps. They may be spoiled rotten or just >|naturally timid. Either way, regular spankings might indeed warp a >|lily-white child’s personality.
Like yours? >| It is therefore in my opinion never too early to start warning >|children about the horrors of hell. Children as young as two who
Theological terrorism? Max, you are a veritable gold mine of ideas on how to totally warp and destroy a child’s mind. It is obvious that you think the people who post here are so stupid that they would blindly follow your dictates like the wannabee cult leader that you are. If you really were a parent, I am convinced that any children you raised would probably end up being either suicides, mental patients, criminals or serial killers. >|wilfully disobey their parents often wind up there and burn in the flames >|for all eternity. God is very merciful to children and always gives them >|the behefit of the doubt. If they misbehave necause of lousy upbringing >|and die accidentally, which is usually the case, God will spare them and >|allow them into Heaven. A child’s faith is a precious thing. Be sure >|you cultivate it properly.
Yeah, and they will grow up to be like those pieces of human offal Pat Robertson, Randall Terry, George Bush, Neal Horsely (whose web site got shut down by a court a couple of days ago), and others too numerous to mention.. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Who wasted yours? >| Explain to your children that God loves ALL of us, even the >|flotsam and jetsom in your family (or neighborhood) that you can’t
If anybody is flotsam and jetsam, you are definitely it. >|stand to have around. (Jews may of course substitute "God" for "Jesus" >|since Jesus will reveal Himself as God on Judgment Day and faithful Jews
Jeezuz died (assuming he ever lived). Get over it. >|will go to Heaven alongside Christians without giving up their >|distinctive religion. Explain that we must accept Jesus’ — God’s — >|love by obeying the Gospel — or the Torah. This means no cursing, no >|lying, no stealing, and so on, according to the child’s maturity level. >|(Basically, you add new regulations as you go along. Tell the kids, >|"You’re not a baby [a two-year-old, a three-year-old, etc.] any more, and >|you mustn’t behave like one.") If children insist on disobeying >|willfully, when they die — something that may happen any minute to any >|of us — God will judge them and send them to a deep, black pit in which >|wicked people are tortured endlessly in flames. Read the story of
Oh yes, Max, and when you tell them that, be sure to give them a foretaste. I mean, if you are going to raise a total whack job, why not do it right? >|Lazarus and Dives to your children. (Jews can read about Ahasuerus and >|Haman.) Encourage your children to draw a vivid picture of Dives >|roasting in hellfire while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s Bosom afar
Were Lazarus and Abraham gay? >|off. They can draw Dives crying out for Lazarus to give him even a drop >|of water to cool his tongue. Explain that Dives has been burning in hell >|for at least two THOUSAND years — give or take a decade — and that he >|will NEVER get out. He will never stop suffering — EVER. >| It doesn’t hurt to give kids a little reminder of what hell is like. >|If fair-skinned kids insist on cavorting around in the sun in a state of >|semi-dress, lock them out of the house until their skin is toasted. When >|applying sunburn ointment, remind them that hell is hotter. As everyone
You are one sick fucking puppy. >|knows, I put jalapeno peppers in my sons’ potatoes once when they refused >|to come to the dinner table on time. My son Kilbert cried out, "Oh >|Mama! My mouth feels like it’s in hell." I shook my head and assured
I’ll bet you really ENJOYED that, didn’t you? >|him that hell is MUCH hotter than any pepper. Last summer the >|temperature in Dallas stayed over a hundred degrees for over a month. I >|laughed at my neighbors — the kids are all grown now — and told them >|this was nothing compared to hell. When your children get burned, tell >|them hell is worse.
Reading your posts, it gives me the slithering creeps to know that I share a world with someone as sick, twisted, and so thoroughly depraved abd inhumane as your self. >| I ride the buses in Dallas so I can witness to people of all >|ages. I give tracts to any child who can read warning him about the >|horrors of hell. One such tract is entitled "Stay Out of Hell." I’ll >|post ordering information soon because I know ALL of you are eager to use >|it in YOUR personal ministry to lost hellions.
And you haven’t been arrested for distributing pornography yet? Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil." BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World." ICQ 26776011 | — Bardic Motto If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —- Noam Chomsky
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