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WHAT MESSES UP KIDS?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The problem here Steve is that the teachers job isn’t to hang out with the > kids, and be their friend.  Their job is to teach them. > The latter cannot happen without the former. >  Learning (school > materials) will not and cannot occur in an environment of anarchy. > There’s no reason try to label an equitable honoring situation for the > student as an anarchy, it’s a lie and a stupid one. > Oh > they’ll learn that it’s ok to swear at others, and that the strong survive, > but that isn’t why we are sending them off to school. > There is nothing in an honoring situation for teens that permits the > strong to dominate the weak, whether YOU or any common thug! You’re > pretending that without you there is nothing worth while, and that’s > disrespectful of children and teens, and it is a lie. > Kids are kids and > they need to be treated as such. > They are PEOPLE and MUST be treated as such!! I guess you wouldn’r know > what to do if you had to teach adults, eh? Well do that with teens, I > guarantee that it works! > They need rules and boundaries (Notice I > didn’t say the teacher should be able to beat the shit out of them). > That’s bullshit. Slave owners used to say shit like that, that their > slaves needed "structure" and "craved being bossed", "loved their > chains". It was abusive bullshit then and it is now!! It is an abuser’s > excuse for their abuse, nothing more. >  The > problem with schools today is that parents (like yourself) let their kids do > whatever they want at home. > No, the problem with schools today is buttfucking assholes like you who > wish to authority-abuse kids and dilute anything decent the RESPECTFUL > teachers want to do for them with your vicious hatefulness, paranoia, > and militaristic neurosis. >  That child mistakenly thinks that they can > carry this rude, selfish and irresponsible behavior over into school, and > thus the real world. > They CAN, and that’s the REAL WORLD! YOUR job is NOT to DESERVE it from > them, and then and ONLY then you won’t GET IT!! > Did you ever wonder how the mild little favorite teacher type "runs" > his class? He DOESN’T HAVE TO AND HE KNOWS IT AND THAT’S HIS SECRET!! > He knows that worthwhile material and treating kids like they are equals > and worthy of respect gains their respect and devotion, because it’s SO > UNEXPECTED!! >  Allowing your child to be the center of the world > where everthing revolves around them is not successful, effective parenting. > You’re delusiinal. You imagine that if you don’t enslave them first that > they will enslave you. Neither must occur! YOU need to learn proper > BOUNDARIES and that there is a THIRD possible scenario that doesn’t > involve EITHER of you violating the other’s boundaries!! > Let me ask you, what do you think of adults who think the whole world > revolves around them, and that they are more important than everyone else? > These adults are the kids you are raising. > Horseshit, they are a reaction against the bastards like you, nothing > more! Treating teens and children respectfully, as though they are equal > housemates or guests is the way to gratify them with YOU worth as a > person to know, and get them to WANT to emulate you!! All of the BEST > teachers of a thousand YEARS tell us this!

Steve, you dont think kids should be treated as equals, you think they should run the world.

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> The problem here Steve is that the teachers job isn’t to hang out with the > kids, and be their friend.  Their job is to teach them.

The latter cannot happen without the former. >  Learning (school > materials) will not and cannot occur in an environment of anarchy.

There’s no reason try to label an equitable honoring situation for the student as an anarchy, it’s a lie and a stupid one. > Oh > they’ll learn that it’s ok to swear at others, and that the strong survive, > but that isn’t why we are sending them off to school.

There is nothing in an honoring situation for teens that permits the strong to dominate the weak, whether YOU or any common thug! You’re pretending that without you there is nothing worth while, and that’s disrespectful of children and teens, and it is a lie. > Kids are kids and > they need to be treated as such.

They are PEOPLE and MUST be treated as such!! I guess you wouldn’r know what to do if you had to teach adults, eh? Well do that with teens, I guarantee that it works! > They need rules and boundaries (Notice I > didn’t say the teacher should be able to beat the shit out of them).

That’s bullshit. Slave owners used to say shit like that, that their slaves needed "structure" and "craved being bossed", "loved their chains". It was abusive bullshit then and it is now!! It is an abuser’s excuse for their abuse, nothing more. >  The > problem with schools today is that parents (like yourself) let their kids do > whatever they want at home.

No, the problem with schools today is buttfucking assholes like you who wish to authority-abuse kids and dilute anything decent the RESPECTFUL teachers want to do for them with your vicious hatefulness, paranoia, and militaristic neurosis. >  That child mistakenly thinks that they can > carry this rude, selfish and irresponsible behavior over into school, and > thus the real world.

They CAN, and that’s the REAL WORLD! YOUR job is NOT to DESERVE it from them, and then and ONLY then you won’t GET IT!! Did you ever wonder how the mild little favorite teacher type "runs" his class? He DOESN’T HAVE TO AND HE KNOWS IT AND THAT’S HIS SECRET!! He knows that worthwhile material and treating kids like they are equals and worthy of respect gains their respect and devotion, because it’s SO UNEXPECTED!! >  Allowing your child to be the center of the world > where everthing revolves around them is not successful, effective parenting.

You’re delusiinal. You imagine that if you don’t enslave them first that they will enslave you. Neither must occur! YOU need to learn proper BOUNDARIES and that there is a THIRD possible scenario that doesn’t involve EITHER of you violating the other’s boundaries!! > Let me ask you, what do you think of adults who think the whole world > revolves around them, and that they are more important than everyone else? > These adults are the kids you are raising.

Horseshit, they are a reaction against the bastards like you, nothing more! Treating teens and children respectfully, as though they are equal housemates or guests is the way to gratify them with YOU worth as a person to know, and get them to WANT to emulate you!! All of the BEST teachers of a thousand YEARS tell us this! > It has been said "It takes a village to raise a child", I say it takes > strong parents to raise a child, but if you don’t the village will….and > you might not like what you get! > mark

"STRONG" acting authority-abusive parents ARE the village idiots!! They could fuck up a free lunch, and always do!! Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >Bullshit. Kids are finally gaining equality and YOU see it as a crime! > > >They should be held responsible for any vandalism or antisocial acts, > > >but not for their opinion or their expression of opinion!! NOBODY > > >merely deserves supposed "respect" if that means moronic obediance or > > >the usual abusive blind kow-towing to authority. > > >Steve > >  Of course kids are entitled to their opinions…. but it’s "how" they > express > > it sometimes that’s the problem. > >   My friend is an 8th grade teacher in a pretty bad school.  Students > have > > gotten in her face, made threats to her, called her a f’n bitch, etc… > Do > > you think that’s right? > If she acts like one she’ll be treated like one. If she acts like an > equal there to help them they will enjoy each other. I’ve never met a > kid I couldn’t get along with by not BEING an authority!! Don’t be an > authority, be a resource! > Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The problem here Steve is that the teachers job isn’t to hang out with > the > > kids, and be their friend.  Their job is to teach them. > The latter cannot happen without the former. > >  Learning (school > > materials) will not and cannot occur in an environment of anarchy. > There’s no reason try to label an equitable honoring situation for the > student as an anarchy, it’s a lie and a stupid one. > > Oh > > they’ll learn that it’s ok to swear at others, and that the strong > survive, > > but that isn’t why we are sending them off to school. > There is nothing in an honoring situation for teens that permits the > strong to dominate the weak, whether YOU or any common thug! You’re > pretending that without you there is nothing worth while, and that’s > disrespectful of children and teens, and it is a lie. > > Kids are kids and > > they need to be treated as such. > They are PEOPLE and MUST be treated as such!! I guess you wouldn’r know > what to do if you had to teach adults, eh? Well do that with teens, I > guarantee that it works! > > They need rules and boundaries (Notice I > > didn’t say the teacher should be able to beat the shit out of them). > That’s bullshit. Slave owners used to say shit like that, that their > slaves needed "structure" and "craved being bossed", "loved their > chains". It was abusive bullshit then and it is now!! It is an abuser’s > excuse for their abuse, nothing more. > >  The > > problem with schools today is that parents (like yourself) let their > kids do > > whatever they want at home. > No, the problem with schools today is buttfucking assholes like you who > wish to authority-abuse kids and dilute anything decent the RESPECTFUL > teachers want to do for them with your vicious hatefulness, paranoia, > and militaristic neurosis. > >  That child mistakenly thinks that they can > > carry this rude, selfish and irresponsible behavior over into school, > and > > thus the real world. > They CAN, and that’s the REAL WORLD! YOUR job is NOT to DESERVE it from > them, and then and ONLY then you won’t GET IT!! > Did you ever wonder how the mild little favorite teacher type "runs" > his class? He DOESN’T HAVE TO AND HE KNOWS IT AND THAT’S HIS SECRET!! > He knows that worthwhile material and treating kids like they are equals > and worthy of respect gains their respect and devotion, because it’s SO > UNEXPECTED!! > >  Allowing your child to be the center of the world > > where everthing revolves around them is not successful, effective > parenting. > You’re delusiinal. You imagine that if you don’t enslave them first that > they will enslave you. Neither must occur! YOU need to learn proper > BOUNDARIES and that there is a THIRD possible scenario that doesn’t > involve EITHER of you violating the other’s boundaries!! > > Let me ask you, what do you think of adults who think the whole world > > revolves around them, and that they are more important than everyone > else? > > These adults are the kids you are raising. > Horseshit, they are a reaction against the bastards like you, nothing > more! Treating teens and children respectfully, as though they are equal > housemates or guests is the way to gratify them with YOU worth as a > person to know, and get them to WANT to emulate you!! All of the BEST > teachers of a thousand YEARS tell us this! > Steve, you dont think kids should be treated as equals, you think they > should run the world.

If you think that then YOU don’t know the difference. You get confused when you have not only a condition of equality of rights coupled with a one-way obligation of debt, parent to child. I don’t. Go grow up somewhere. Steve

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> >Bullshit. Kids are finally gaining equality and YOU see it as a crime! >They should be held responsible for any vandalism or antisocial acts, >but not for their opinion or their expression of opinion!! NOBODY >merely deserves supposed "respect" if that means moronic obediance or >the usual abusive blind kow-towing to authority. >Steve >  Of course kids are entitled to their opinions…. but it’s "how" they express > it sometimes that’s the problem. >   My friend is an 8th grade teacher in a pretty bad school.  Students have > gotten in her face, made threats to her, called her a f’n bitch, etc…   Do > you think that’s right?

If she acts like one she’ll be treated like one. If she acts like an equal there to help them they will enjoy each other. I’ve never met a kid I couldn’t get along with by not BEING an authority!! Don’t be an authority, be a resource! Steve

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> Steve is a perfect example of how kids can get messed up for life and then > transfer thier life styles and ideas onto the next generation.

You’re the sexually repressed little cunt who’s messed up. You were beaten for masturbating till you felt dirty when you peed or took off your clothes, and now that you see a much more advanced people who aren’t messed up like you are, you parrot your antisexually abusive parents and claim defensively that THEY are the ones who are messed up, when they are so much happier than you are it scares the shit out of you! > They need to learn about how to treat other children and adults  in a > courteous and polite manner.

But "learning how" and being MADE to are too totally opposite things!!

Like your parents poisoned your mind with their antisexual brutality. > They should be encouraged to associate only with good kids, as the wrong > crowd will lead them down the wrong path.

You still think that there are only two sides, simplistic good and evil based on conventional notions of "clean" and "dirty". You really have never understood that your "dirty" people are merely those people who were damaged and broken by people just like your parents, and that your parents weren’t "clean" at all, they were merely agents of harm to those countless lives. YOU think that I represent the people your parents warned you about, but they lied dreadfully to you about why people werr different from them. And what you don’t understand is that people like me are yet a third side of things, a truly good side, based on transcending what you think you know about your pitiful little sexual "clean/dirty" dichotomy that you were harmed into believing by your mother and father’s dishonoring shaming of you about your body and your sexuality. There is more than the two little "clean vs dirty" sides you imagine, and the two you know are sides of the same coin of the oppressed and oppressive society, and you have never even KNOWN of the true good and the true right! And that’s pitiful. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is > what > > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that > you > > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that > are > > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or > books > > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful > and > > if so why? > > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > > mention you in the book! > No. > > Thanks in advance for your responses. > > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address > below. > > Mark Federici > Authoritarian abuse, forcing kids to think, do or be ANYTHING they > don’t want to be, threatening them by withholding your love or support, > in short, any form of parental coercion must be prohibited by law. > Antisexuality, parental sanctions on nudity, masturbation, kid sex > play, or anything like that must be eradicted by law. > The public denial of children’s needs for their open sexuality and > their freedom to choose, as well as denial of support and the denial > of medical/dental/psychiatric care to children of low income families > must be ended. > Also, we need ombusmen advocates with police power to threaten parents > who propagate these abuses above with serious jail time, if not > immediate torture! > The school systems should be forced by threat of the severest penalties > imaginable to also eradicate these abuses that they also propagate, and > render them into the same kind of student treatment millieu as junior > college. > My belief and my experience with my two kids, now adults, is that I had > no right to treat them with any less respect or have ANY more authority > over them, than the way I would have to treat another adult, guest, or > housemate, and that kids have as much right to their disires as I do. > And you know? It works GREAT!! > Steve

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The problem here Steve is that the teachers job isn’t to hang out with the kids, and be their friend.  Their job is to teach them.  Learning (school materials) will not and cannot occur in an environment of anarchy.  Oh they’ll learn that it’s ok to swear at others, and that the strong survive, but that isn’t why we are sending them off to school.  Kids are kids and they need to be treated as such.  They need rules and boundaries (Notice I didn’t say the teacher should be able to beat the shit out of them).  The problem with schools today is that parents (like yourself) let their kids do whatever they want at home.  That child mistakenly thinks that they can carry this rude, selfish and irresponsible behavior over into school, and thus the real world.  Allowing your child to be the center of the world where everthing revolves around them is not successful, effective parenting. Let me ask you, what do you think of adults who think the whole world revolves around them, and that they are more important than everyone else? These adults are the kids you are raising. It has been said "It takes a village to raise a child", I say it takes strong parents to raise a child, but if you don’t the village will….and you might not like what you get! mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Bullshit. Kids are finally gaining equality and YOU see it as a crime! > >They should be held responsible for any vandalism or antisocial acts, > >but not for their opinion or their expression of opinion!! NOBODY > >merely deserves supposed "respect" if that means moronic obediance or > >the usual abusive blind kow-towing to authority. > >Steve >  Of course kids are entitled to their opinions…. but it’s "how" they express > it sometimes that’s the problem. >   My friend is an 8th grade teacher in a pretty bad school.  Students have > gotten in her face, made threats to her, called her a f’n bitch, etc… Do > you think that’s right? > If she acts like one she’ll be treated like one. If she acts like an > equal there to help them they will enjoy each other. I’ve never met a > kid I couldn’t get along with by not BEING an authority!! Don’t be an > authority, be a resource! > Steve

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>Now, this I’ll agree with.  DH and I have spent quite a bit of time over >the past two years convincing OS(13) that he’s the big brother, not a >parent, and that he doesn’t need to take on a parental role with YD and >YS.  It’s sinking in, but it takes a while.

 My daughter’s bestfriend, a boy, is the oldest of 4 kids.  His mom isn’t married and works full time. This boy, age 13, is expected to babysit and take care of his younger siblings.     While I do believe all the family members need to help out, I’ve seen this kid miss a lot of events.  In fact… just last week he couldn’t attend a special school dance because he was stuck home babysitting.  He had planned to go, but couldn’t at the last minute.  It was pretty sad.

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>Bullshit. Kids are finally gaining equality and YOU see it as a crime! >They should be held responsible for any vandalism or antisocial acts, >but not for their opinion or their expression of opinion!! NOBODY >merely deserves supposed "respect" if that means moronic obediance or >the usual abusive blind kow-towing to authority. >Steve

 Of course kids are entitled to their opinions…. but it’s "how" they express it sometimes that’s the problem.   My friend is an 8th grade teacher in a pretty bad school.  Students have gotten in her face, made threats to her, called her a f’n bitch, etc…   Do you think that’s right?

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> >Now, this I’ll agree with.  DH and I have spent quite a bit of time over >the past two years convincing OS(13) that he’s the big brother, not a >parent, and that he doesn’t need to take on a parental role with YD and >YS.  It’s sinking in, but it takes a while. >  My daughter’s bestfriend, a boy, is the oldest of 4 kids.  His mom isn’t > married and works full time. This boy, age 13, is expected to babysit and take > care of his younger siblings. >   While I do believe all the family members need to help out, I’ve seen this > kid miss a lot of events.  In fact… just last week he couldn’t attend a > special school dance because he was stuck home babysitting.  He had planned to > go, but couldn’t at the last minute.  It was pretty sad.

I know how that goes.  I am also the oldest of 4 and while I was in HS, my mom was single, working full time as an LPN, and going to nursing school for her RN’s degree.  Thankfully, our house was on the family farm and my grandparents were only half a mile down the road, so if there was something I needed to go to, Mamma babysat.   Cooking and watching the younger two siblings were my responsibilities. Lil sis had housekeeping as her main responsibility.  To this day, I have difficulty with housework and she has difficulties with cooking and with having patience with children. — Kitten = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I’m a bitch, I’m a lover; I’m a child, I’m a mother I’m a sinner, I’m a saint; I do not feel ashamed I’m your hell, I’m you dream; I’m nothing in between You know you wouldn’t want it any other way                                                                       – – - Meredith Brooks

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> 6.  Lack of discipline in the home.  Too many kids are allowed to get away with > too much nowadays.  They aren’t taught to deal with consequences of their > negative behavior.  And I’m not necessarily talking about spankings.  They go > to school and are disrespectful to their teachers, classmates, property, etc..

Bullshit. Kids are finally gaining equality and YOU see it as a crime! They should be held responsible for any vandalism or antisocial acts, but not for their opinion or their expression of opinion!! NOBODY merely deserves supposed "respect" if that means moronic obediance or the usual abusive blind kow-towing to authority. Steve

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> I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is >what > > are the things that mess kids up most?  

  Here are a few things, in my own personal opinion… 1. Lack of a stable family unit.  Single mothers trying to raise children alone without any financial or emotional support.  (this is not a put-down to single moms!) 2.  Parents, who for whatever reason, found it necessary to divorce.  Thereby causing the children emotional problems.  Lots of times, with help, these kids can learn to work out their problems.  Too often they aren’t given the support they need. 3.  Single mothers with multiple children by multiple fathers.  A lot of these kids will never even know who their dad’s are. 4.  Single parents who are forced to work in order to put food on the table. Usually due to divorce, or deadbeat dads. Some children aren’t properly supervised, must often be left home alone, and are forced to grow up too soon. 5.  Lack of parent participation with their childrens schools/educations.  This is soooo important! 6.  Lack of discipline in the home.  Too many kids are allowed to get away with too much nowadays.  They aren’t taught to deal with consequences of their negative behavior.  And I’m not necessarily talking about spankings.  They go to school and are disrespectful to their teachers, classmates, property, etc.. 7. Lack of communications between parents and children.  TALK to your kids early!  If they’re old enough to ask, then they’re old enough to know!  Who better to learn from then their own parents?  Be open and honest with them.  If you don’t answer their questions they’ll just find someone who will.  And in many cases they will get the wrong answers!

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<snipped> > 4.  Single parents who are forced to work in order to put food on the table. > Usually due to divorce, or deadbeat dads.

Or deadbeat moms.  OD’s mom is still paying child support because she didn’t pay it when OD was little. > Some children aren’t properly > supervised, must often be left home alone, and are forced to grow up too soon.

Now, this I’ll agree with.  DH and I have spent quite a bit of time over the past two years convincing OS(13) that he’s the big brother, not a parent, and that he doesn’t need to take on a parental role with YD and YS.  It’s sinking in, but it takes a while. <snipped> — Kitten = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I’m a bitch, I’m a lover; I’m a child, I’m a mother I’m a sinner, I’m a saint; I do not feel ashamed I’m your hell, I’m you dream; I’m nothing in between You know you wouldn’t want it any other way                                                                       – – - Meredith Brooks

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> > Authoritarian abuse, forcing kids to think, do or be ANYTHING they > don’t want to be, threatening them by withholding your love or support, > in short, any form of parental coercion must be prohibited by law. > Antisexuality, parental sanctions on nudity, masturbation, kid sex > play, or anything like that must be eradicted by law. > I have often wondered this… you support enabling your kids to do what they > want. Whatever they want. Why do you then need to specify all the time that > you support enabling your kids to do whatever they want SEXUALLY? If they > can do whatever they want at all, why highlight sexuality specifically?

Because sexuality is the prime oppression used by all oppressors. It is the most intimate and the severest repression, the one most offensive and most damaging. It is the thing least spefically guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and most offensively ignored by this antisexual society in violation of the letter and spirit of the Bill of Rights. Without apparent reason in law or the Constitution, we are prohibited from deciding our full manner of dress or public behavior, being unable to legally go nude or have sex in public, while there is NO such founded reason for this in this supposedly free nation where you should be able to dress (including NOT dress) in your chosen manner, and pursue your happiness publically (including sex in the park) as you see fit! Sexual behavior was NOT somehow exempted from protection under the Bill of Rights, yet the society rolls over for Xtianity in an altogther unconstitutional manner and pretends that "surely the Bill didn’t mean SEX!" and allows itself and its laws to be DEFORMED by Xtian religious fundy bigots who seem to manage to get THEIR sexual mores defended in law blindly by the society IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION, a primacy NOT granted to OTHER religions, of course, a selective church-statism NOT supported in the Constitution!! And this attitude is reflected strongly in the MOST UNGOVERNED abuse of others, the parent-child relationship, which mirrors these rights abuses in society at large MUCH more powerfully in the home. And it must be stopped! Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The public denial of children’s needs for their open sexuality and > their freedom to choose, as well as denial of support and the denial > of medical/dental/psychiatric care to children of low income families > must be ended. > Also, we need ombusmen advocates with police power to threaten parents > who propagate these abuses above with serious jail time, if not > immediate torture! > The school systems should be forced by threat of the severest penalties > imaginable to also eradicate these abuses that they also propagate, and > render them into the same kind of student treatment millieu as junior > college. > My belief and my experience with my two kids, now adults, is that I had > no right to treat them with any less respect or have ANY more authority > over them, than the way I would have to treat another adult, guest, or > housemate, and that kids have as much right to their disires as I do. > And you know? It works GREAT!! > Steve

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Needs and wants are two different things.  These answers will help to develop a list of some preconceived thoughts.  Not the least of all honest reactions.  What good would it be if I only asked the people who didn’t have a problem?  People who aren’t sick don’t go to the doctor.  It does seem that people who need help come here.  Whether it be for guidance or abuse or whatever.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or > books > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful > and > if so why? > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > mention you in the book! > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address > below. > Mark Federici > Your writing a book about parenting but need the assistance of a ng? > Interesting.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or books > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful and > if so why? > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > mention you in the book! > No. > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address below. > Mark Federici > Authoritarian abuse, forcing kids to think, do or be ANYTHING they > don’t want to be, threatening them by withholding your love or support, > in short, any form of parental coercion must be prohibited by law. > Antisexuality, parental sanctions on nudity, masturbation, kid sex > play, or anything like that must be eradicted by law.

I have often wondered this… you support enabling your kids to do what they want. Whatever they want. Why do you then need to specify all the time that you support enabling your kids to do whatever they want SEXUALLY? If they can do whatever they want at all, why highlight sexuality specifically? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The public denial of children’s needs for their open sexuality and > their freedom to choose, as well as denial of support and the denial > of medical/dental/psychiatric care to children of low income families > must be ended. > Also, we need ombusmen advocates with police power to threaten parents > who propagate these abuses above with serious jail time, if not > immediate torture! > The school systems should be forced by threat of the severest penalties > imaginable to also eradicate these abuses that they also propagate, and > render them into the same kind of student treatment millieu as junior > college. > My belief and my experience with my two kids, now adults, is that I had > no right to treat them with any less respect or have ANY more authority > over them, than the way I would have to treat another adult, guest, or > housemate, and that kids have as much right to their disires as I do. > And you know? It works GREAT!! > Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or books > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful and > if so why? > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > mention you in the book! > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address below. > Mark Federici

Your writing a book about parenting but need the assistance of a ng? Interesting.

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> First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or books > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful and > if so why? > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > mention you in the book!

No. > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address below. > Mark Federici

Authoritarian abuse, forcing kids to think, do or be ANYTHING they don’t want to be, threatening them by withholding your love or support, in short, any form of parental coercion must be prohibited by law. Antisexuality, parental sanctions on nudity, masturbation, kid sex play, or anything like that must be eradicted by law. The public denial of children’s needs for their open sexuality and their freedom to choose, as well as denial of support and the denial of medical/dental/psychiatric care to children of low income families must be ended. Also, we need ombusmen advocates with police power to threaten parents who propagate these abuses above with serious jail time, if not immediate torture! The school systems should be forced by threat of the severest penalties imaginable to also eradicate these abuses that they also propagate, and render them into the same kind of student treatment millieu as junior college. My belief and my experience with my two kids, now adults, is that I had no right to treat them with any less respect or have ANY more authority over them, than the way I would have to treat another adult, guest, or housemate, and that kids have as much right to their disires as I do. And you know? It works GREAT!! Steve

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Steve is a perfect example of how kids can get messed up for life and then transfer thier life styles and ideas onto the next generation. I think it is very important that children are treated fairly when young. They should be listened to, no matter how trivial their problem may be.  I think they should socialize with other children their own age when young. They have to learn how to interact with other children or they become very shy and hold back.  Then they become singled out as an odd kid. It is very important to teach children about compassion and respect for others and the world around them. They need to learn the proper way to care for their belongings, toys, pets, garden, etc. They need to learn about how to treat other children and adults  in a courteous and polite manner. They need to learn how to aways be clean in body and in mind.  (Garbage in; Garbage out, as in Steve’s and in a few other’s on this board’s case) They should always be praised for a good deed, thought or action.  (Positive re-enforcement always works) They should be encouraged to associate only with good kids, as the wrong crowd will lead them down the wrong path. They should be encouraged to eat healthy foods, and educate them as to what foods are healthy and explain why. They should be encouraged to strive to do the best they can in school, and explain why it is important that they do so. These are just a few of things that I feel are important; there are so many more.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an > author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my > research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what > are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you > have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that > happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their > future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are > really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will > help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or books > did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful and > if so why? > If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just > mention you in the book! > No. > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address below. > Mark Federici > Authoritarian abuse, forcing kids to think, do or be ANYTHING they > don’t want to be, threatening them by withholding your love or support, > in short, any form of parental coercion must be prohibited by law. > Antisexuality, parental sanctions on nudity, masturbation, kid sex > play, or anything like that must be eradicted by law. > The public denial of children’s needs for their open sexuality and > their freedom to choose, as well as denial of support and the denial > of medical/dental/psychiatric care to children of low income families > must be ended. > Also, we need ombusmen advocates with police power to threaten parents > who propagate these abuses above with serious jail time, if not > immediate torture! > The school systems should be forced by threat of the severest penalties > imaginable to also eradicate these abuses that they also propagate, and > render them into the same kind of student treatment millieu as junior > college. > My belief and my experience with my two kids, now adults, is that I had > no right to treat them with any less respect or have ANY more authority > over them, than the way I would have to treat another adult, guest, or > housemate, and that kids have as much right to their disires as I do. > And you know? It works GREAT!! > Steve

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First allow me to introduce myself…My name is Mark Federici.  I am an author and have begun my book on parenting, as an early step for my research, I am looking for parents opinions.  The question I have is what are the things that mess kids up most?  These need not be things that you have done to your own kids!  What (in your opinion) are the things that happen to kids that hinder their development, or negatively affect their future.  As a secondary question, what are the things you can do that are really good for your kids.  In other words what are the things that will help in your childs development?  As a last step, what sources and or books did you use in the rearing of your children?  Were these sources helpful and if so why? If you would like include your name and ages of your children I may just mention you in the book! Thanks in advance for your responses. Please respond to this posting or for privacy, use the email address below. Mark Federici

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