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There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business every time someone ask where do I buy _____. There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at the next update if you asked? But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap and tacky. Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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<< K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at the next update if you asked? >> Yes, always glad to add folks to the FAQs – there is a statement at the beginning ~~Vendor sites are recommended for information only. You must make the decision on which vendor to patronize. ~~ As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a request. k30 and the water gardening labradors see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm REC.PONDS INFORMAL FAQ PAGE http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
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Dave, While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal answer to their question and not a FAQ referral. Otherwise, the newsgroup would not be necessary. To make a recommendation and include a URL so the product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this group than going through the back door by sending email replies. Such advice is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny. If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem with that product, I want to know about it. The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from here. I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about this issue. Mike G. www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > the next update if you asked? > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > and tacky. > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific link to look at if I post a question about a product. I want the information and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves time and makes comparative shopping easier. Many pond/koi sites are small and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good site when you search. I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They both help and are worth having. Brad S (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
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>I think most people post to this group wanting a personal >answer to their question and not a FAQ referral.
Hi Mike, I agree with you. I would appreciate someone telling me where to go for a specific product rather than referring me to a FAQ list of any kind…….Bev
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> As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific > link to look at if I post a question about a product.
If this were encouraged you would be given 50 links. And the newsgroup would be flooded with useless advertising making it a waste of time to sort through. > I want the information > and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves > time and makes comparative shopping easier.
Comparatively you are still only getting a small sample of what is available. > Many pond/koi sites are small > and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good > site when you search.
From the major search engines you will get to the major koi and water gardening organizations and societies which have link pages with listings available to even the newest and smallest vendors. How easy do you want it? > I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They > both help and are worth having. > Brad S > (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) > DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances > He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. > NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html > Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Bev and Brad…… While I agree in part with what you’re saying…. apparently, you have not visited the Informal FAQ site voluntarily put together by our own K30. This is an effort to get everyone’s product advertised…. not just the guys who sit at the computer and hack their wares. Nedra www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific > link to look at if I post a question about a product. I want the information > and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves > time and makes comparative shopping easier. Many pond/koi sites are small > and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good > site when you search. > I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They > both help and are worth having. > Brad S > (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) > DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances > He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. > NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html > Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
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> Dave, > While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate > the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal > answer to their question and not a FAQ referral.
If they want a personal answer send them a personal email. > Otherwise, the newsgroup > would not be necessary.
Advertising is not the reason the group is here. > To make a recommendation and include a URL so the > product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this > group than going through the back door by sending email replies.
Personal or public? Using the newsgroup as a buffer to keep from being perceived as sending spam is still spam. > Such advice > is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny.
The group doesn’t exist to scrutinize general prices and business practices. A post of that nature isn’t going to generate much interest and only the most gullible would think that just because something was posted in a newsgroup it was valid information. > If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem > with that product, I want to know about it.
That is a personal issue unless it is a frequent problem. > The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure > no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from > here.
Even minuscule sales obtained by using rec.ponds as a direct sales medium isn’t fair to the businesses that are here but do not take advantage of the group as a sales tool. Or more correctly, take advantage of people new to Usenet or water gardening. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about > this issue. > Mike G. > www.ponds2go.com > There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > the next update if you asked? > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > and tacky. > Peace > Dave
Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Dave, No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. Mike www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave, > While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate > the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal > answer to their question and not a FAQ referral. > If they want a personal answer send them a personal email. > Otherwise, the newsgroup > would not be necessary. > Advertising is not the reason the group is here. > To make a recommendation and include a URL so the > product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this > group than going through the back door by sending email replies. > Personal or public? Using the newsgroup as a buffer to keep from being perceived > as sending spam is still spam. > Such advice > is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny. > The group doesn’t exist to scrutinize general prices and business practices. A > post of that nature isn’t going to generate much interest and only the most > gullible would think that just because something was posted in a newsgroup it > was valid information. > If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem > with that product, I want to know about it. > That is a personal issue unless it is a frequent problem. > The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure > no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from > here. > Even minuscule sales obtained by using rec.ponds as a direct sales medium isn’t > fair to the businesses that are here but do not take advantage of the group as a > sales tool. Or more correctly, take advantage of people new to Usenet or water > gardening. > I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about > this issue. > Mike G. > www.ponds2go.com > > There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > > the next update if you asked? > > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > > and tacky. > > Peace > > Dave > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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> No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go.
I agree wholeheartedly with Dave. Usenet is NOT a place for advertising. Feel free to include your url in your sig, and respond in the group to requests that are really applicable to the whole group. But that _doesn’t_ mean post your url in response to everybody who asks "where can I buy X"? I completely disagree with the implications of your statement "I think most people post to this group wanting a personal answer to their question and not a FAQ referral." The statement is true, but that’s not a reason why we should humor such people. Basic netiquette says you _shouldn’t_ answer anything that is in a FAQ except to point the user to the FAQ (sorry, guilty as charged – while I always post the FAQ address, I do tend to answer anyway). The rest of the group don’t want to see those things answered 10 times a day. If you feel the poster should get a personal response, SEND a personal response. A newsgroup post isn’t a personal response. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html While men believe in the infinite, some ponds will be thought to be bottomless. – Thoreau
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> Dave, > No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. > Mike > www.ponds2go.com
Visit http://www.usenet.org/ and check out the FAQs and Netiquette Home Page links for general newsgroup info. Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Thank you Dave, that was very interesting reading and a lot of good advice. I’m afraid I couldn’t find the section you are referring to. But in the acknowledgement of the following I am through with this discussion. "But Netiquette does forbid the perpetuation of flame wars — series of angry letters, most of them from two or three people directed toward each other, that can dominate the tone and destroy the camaraderie of a discussion group. It’s unfair to the other members of the group. And while flame wars can initially be amusing, they get boring very quickly to people who aren’t involved in them. They’re an unfair monopolization of bandwidth." from the book Netiquette by Virginia Shea. Peace, Mike G. www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave, > No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. > Mike > www.ponds2go.com > Visit http://www.usenet.org/ and check out the FAQs and Netiquette Home Page > links for general newsgroup info. > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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>"But Netiquette does forbid the perpetuation of flame wars — series of >angry letters, most of them from two or three people directed toward each >other, that can dominate the tone and destroy the camaraderie of a >discussion group. It’s unfair to the other members of the group.
BRAVO! Lets end this discussion, you must all realize that not every one is going to agree all the time, so if you don’t like a post, that is what the delete key is for. I for one, like to read both sides of peoples opinions, and make my own choice. I will take any and all info that I can get, use what I need, and forget the rest……Bev
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>K30 admits: >As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a >request.
Neither should K30 feel the responsibility to do the above, nor should Dave try to play moderator. ;o) I guess put me on the cheap and tacky list. I list off the ones I’ve use that don’t post here, with the hope others will list their favorites and the vendors who do post here on a regular basis should feel free to post their URLs. Full blown spam (without warning) is perhaps another thing, but not enough to yank my chain, and sometimes those create some good debates. ;o) ~ jan
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> >K30 admits: >As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a >request. > Neither should K30 feel the responsibility to do the above, nor should Dave > try to play moderator. ;o) I guess put me on the cheap and tacky list. I > list off the ones I’ve use that don’t post here, with the hope others will > list their favorites and the vendors who do post here on a regular basis > should feel free to post their URLs. Full blown spam (without warning) is > perhaps another thing, but not enough to yank my chain, and sometimes those > create some good debates. ;o) ~ jan
If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want 
Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Dave wrote ~~If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want ~~ Also is why I call them the informal faqs – no responsibility (have way too much of that with this parenting business!). Still the offer stands. If you send me a link, vendor persons or ‘regular’ persons and the page is on the up and up (no sneaking in, ahem, colourful pages…) I’ll stick them in the informal faq after I am all done with this Destination Imagination stuff – which takes up my time from November to May. Also will take suggestions for the green water statement and the heron statement. k30 and the water gardening labradors see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm REC.PONDS INFORMAL FAQ PAGE http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
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>If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want
Touche’ Play away. ;o) ~ jan
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There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business every time someone ask where do I buy _____. There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at the next update if you asked? But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap and tacky. Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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<< K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at the next update if you asked? >> Yes, always glad to add folks to the FAQs – there is a statement at the beginning ~~Vendor sites are recommended for information only. You must make the decision on which vendor to patronize. ~~ As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a request. k30 and the water gardening labradors see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm REC.PONDS INFORMAL FAQ PAGE http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
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Dave, While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal answer to their question and not a FAQ referral. Otherwise, the newsgroup would not be necessary. To make a recommendation and include a URL so the product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this group than going through the back door by sending email replies. Such advice is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny. If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem with that product, I want to know about it. The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from here. I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about this issue. Mike G. www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > the next update if you asked? > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > and tacky. > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific link to look at if I post a question about a product. I want the information and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves time and makes comparative shopping easier. Many pond/koi sites are small and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good site when you search. I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They both help and are worth having. Brad S (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
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>I think most people post to this group wanting a personal >answer to their question and not a FAQ referral.
Hi Mike, I agree with you. I would appreciate someone telling me where to go for a specific product rather than referring me to a FAQ list of any kind…….Bev
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> As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific > link to look at if I post a question about a product.
If this were encouraged you would be given 50 links. And the newsgroup would be flooded with useless advertising making it a waste of time to sort through. > I want the information > and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves > time and makes comparative shopping easier.
Comparatively you are still only getting a small sample of what is available. > Many pond/koi sites are small > and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good > site when you search.
From the major search engines you will get to the major koi and water gardening organizations and societies which have link pages with listings available to even the newest and smallest vendors. How easy do you want it? > I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They > both help and are worth having. > Brad S > (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) > DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances > He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. > NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html > Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Bev and Brad…… While I agree in part with what you’re saying…. apparently, you have not visited the Informal FAQ site voluntarily put together by our own K30. This is an effort to get everyone’s product advertised…. not just the guys who sit at the computer and hack their wares. Nedra www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As a new pond person I find it very helpful if vendors DO give me a specific > link to look at if I post a question about a product. I want the information > and appreciate the specific link, the more specific the better. It saves > time and makes comparative shopping easier. Many pond/koi sites are small > and not well indexed on the major search engines. It is easy to miss a good > site when you search. > I agree that a FAQ site with links is also valuable and worth having. They > both help and are worth having. > Brad S > (My non-pond, non-comercial signiture:) > DrDanzon, Fixer of broken hearts and dancer of dances > He who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. > NM Dance info: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/dance.html > Santa Fe Tango: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rbstamm/mltango.html
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> Dave, > While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate > the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal > answer to their question and not a FAQ referral.
If they want a personal answer send them a personal email. > Otherwise, the newsgroup > would not be necessary.
Advertising is not the reason the group is here. > To make a recommendation and include a URL so the > product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this > group than going through the back door by sending email replies.
Personal or public? Using the newsgroup as a buffer to keep from being perceived as sending spam is still spam. > Such advice > is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny.
The group doesn’t exist to scrutinize general prices and business practices. A post of that nature isn’t going to generate much interest and only the most gullible would think that just because something was posted in a newsgroup it was valid information. > If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem > with that product, I want to know about it.
That is a personal issue unless it is a frequent problem. > The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure > no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from > here.
Even minuscule sales obtained by using rec.ponds as a direct sales medium isn’t fair to the businesses that are here but do not take advantage of the group as a sales tool. Or more correctly, take advantage of people new to Usenet or water gardening. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about > this issue. > Mike G. > www.ponds2go.com > There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > the next update if you asked? > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > and tacky. > Peace > Dave
Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Dave, No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. Mike www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave, > While I concur with your desire to keep this group non-commercial (I hate > the ads myself), I think most people post to this group wanting a personal > answer to their question and not a FAQ referral. > If they want a personal answer send them a personal email. > Otherwise, the newsgroup > would not be necessary. > Advertising is not the reason the group is here. > To make a recommendation and include a URL so the > product is easy to find, is more in keeping with the philosophy of this > group than going through the back door by sending email replies. > Personal or public? Using the newsgroup as a buffer to keep from being perceived > as sending spam is still spam. > Such advice > is in front of the group and subject to the group’s scrutiny. > The group doesn’t exist to scrutinize general prices and business practices. A > post of that nature isn’t going to generate much interest and only the most > gullible would think that just because something was posted in a newsgroup it > was valid information. > If I make a recommendation and someone in the group has had a problem > with that product, I want to know about it. > That is a personal issue unless it is a frequent problem. > The truth is, my sales related to these posts are miniscule, so I am sure > no one feels compelled to buy from Ponds2go because they were referred from > here. > Even minuscule sales obtained by using rec.ponds as a direct sales medium isn’t > fair to the businesses that are here but do not take advantage of the group as a > sales tool. Or more correctly, take advantage of people new to Usenet or water > gardening. > I am very interested in hearing how the rest of the group feels about > this issue. > Mike G. > www.ponds2go.com > > There are thousands of places to buy from and a lot of people who post > > in this newsgroup are in the water gardening business. That’s why it’s > > not a good idea to post a URL to your business or your favorite business > > every time someone ask where do I buy _____. > > There is a FAQ maintained by K30a at > > http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html When people ask > > where to buy pond supplies it only takes one reply with the FAQ URL to > > answer their question. And it gives everyone an equal shot at getting > > business. K30a would probably add your business to those in the FAQ at > > the next update if you asked? > > But don’t post ads or buy here URLs in the newsgroup, it’s really cheap > > and tacky. > > Peace > > Dave > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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> No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go.
I agree wholeheartedly with Dave. Usenet is NOT a place for advertising. Feel free to include your url in your sig, and respond in the group to requests that are really applicable to the whole group. But that _doesn’t_ mean post your url in response to everybody who asks "where can I buy X"? I completely disagree with the implications of your statement "I think most people post to this group wanting a personal answer to their question and not a FAQ referral." The statement is true, but that’s not a reason why we should humor such people. Basic netiquette says you _shouldn’t_ answer anything that is in a FAQ except to point the user to the FAQ (sorry, guilty as charged – while I always post the FAQ address, I do tend to answer anyway). The rest of the group don’t want to see those things answered 10 times a day. If you feel the poster should get a personal response, SEND a personal response. A newsgroup post isn’t a personal response. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html While men believe in the infinite, some ponds will be thought to be bottomless. – Thoreau
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> Dave, > No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. > Mike > www.ponds2go.com
Visit http://www.usenet.org/ and check out the FAQs and Netiquette Home Page links for general newsgroup info. Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Thank you Dave, that was very interesting reading and a lot of good advice. I’m afraid I couldn’t find the section you are referring to. But in the acknowledgement of the following I am through with this discussion. "But Netiquette does forbid the perpetuation of flame wars — series of angry letters, most of them from two or three people directed toward each other, that can dominate the tone and destroy the camaraderie of a discussion group. It’s unfair to the other members of the group. And while flame wars can initially be amusing, they get boring very quickly to people who aren’t involved in them. They’re an unfair monopolization of bandwidth." from the book Netiquette by Virginia Shea. Peace, Mike G. www.ponds2go.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave, > No offense but unless the views you espouse are part of this group’s > charter or are opposed by a majority of the membership, it is simply your > opinion. I do resent the implication anyone is being or has ever been taken > advantage of by the business practices at Ponds2go. > Mike > www.ponds2go.com > Visit http://www.usenet.org/ and check out the FAQs and Netiquette Home Page > links for general newsgroup info. > Peace > Dave > — > -/- > http://www.dragonkoi.com > http://www.ehap.org
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>"But Netiquette does forbid the perpetuation of flame wars — series of >angry letters, most of them from two or three people directed toward each >other, that can dominate the tone and destroy the camaraderie of a >discussion group. It’s unfair to the other members of the group.
BRAVO! Lets end this discussion, you must all realize that not every one is going to agree all the time, so if you don’t like a post, that is what the delete key is for. I for one, like to read both sides of peoples opinions, and make my own choice. I will take any and all info that I can get, use what I need, and forget the rest……Bev
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>K30 admits: >As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a >request.
Neither should K30 feel the responsibility to do the above, nor should Dave try to play moderator. ;o) I guess put me on the cheap and tacky list. I list off the ones I’ve use that don’t post here, with the hope others will list their favorites and the vendors who do post here on a regular basis should feel free to post their URLs. Full blown spam (without warning) is perhaps another thing, but not enough to yank my chain, and sometimes those create some good debates. ;o) ~ jan
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> >K30 admits: >As I don’t always get to read all the posts it is best to email me with a >request. > Neither should K30 feel the responsibility to do the above, nor should Dave > try to play moderator. ;o) I guess put me on the cheap and tacky list. I > list off the ones I’ve use that don’t post here, with the hope others will > list their favorites and the vendors who do post here on a regular basis > should feel free to post their URLs. Full blown spam (without warning) is > perhaps another thing, but not enough to yank my chain, and sometimes those > create some good debates. ;o) ~ jan
If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want Peace Dave — -/- http://www.dragonkoi.com http://www.ehap.org
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Dave wrote ~~If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want ~~ Also is why I call them the informal faqs – no responsibility (have way too much of that with this parenting business!). Still the offer stands. If you send me a link, vendor persons or ‘regular’ persons and the page is on the up and up (no sneaking in, ahem, colourful pages…) I’ll stick them in the informal faq after I am all done with this Destination Imagination stuff – which takes up my time from November to May. Also will take suggestions for the green water statement and the heron statement. k30 and the water gardening labradors see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm REC.PONDS INFORMAL FAQ PAGE http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
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>If I can’t play moderator why do you get to do what you want
Touche’ Play away. ;o) ~ jan
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