Pure Parents

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Who else than BMI Baby joking

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >Gulf Air have a stewardess dedicated to children (entertaining, feeding, >helping with, etc.) on at least 1 of their major routes. >Hilary > Singapore Airlines always seem very friendly too! > –==++AJC++==–

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> We tend to stick with BA on transatlantic and Air Canada on North > America flights. Air Canada has fold down diaper changing shelves in > most lavs including biz class. BA is great with kids content with > individual TVs in World Traveler and good kids meals and amenities. I > avoid US carriers on transatlantic with my kids as I feel they see > kids and babies as a nuisance rather than a customer. We have not had > good experiences on AA and DL with our kids in tow. Continental would > probably be my top pick for US carriers.

Thanks for the tips.  We are trying Continental soon, so I will report back on how we do. > From reading the other posts, I fully feel it is the parents and not > the airline’s responsibily to bring along the necessary supplies to > entertain and tend to their babies. About a month ago a father > traveling solo across the aisle from me ran out of diapers mid way > though a 6+ hour flight for his son. He was irritated that the airline > didn’t provide free diapers.

That’s *totally* ridiculous.  Sounds like he just didn’t know what he was getting himself into. > It was a long flight (and smelly) with a > screaming toddler with a full diaper for 3 hours. He was the only > parent on board with a baby so no one could give him a diaper. > Alan

Poor baby! -L.

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We tend to stick with BA on transatlantic and Air Canada on North America flights. Air Canada has fold down diaper changing shelves in most lavs including biz class. BA is great with kids content with individual TVs in World Traveler and good kids meals and amenities. I avoid US carriers on transatlantic with my kids as I feel they see kids and babies as a nuisance rather than a customer. We have not had good experiences on AA and DL with our kids in tow. Continental would probably be my top pick for US carriers. From reading the other posts, I fully feel it is the parents and not the airline’s responsibily to bring along the necessary supplies to entertain and tend to their babies. About a month ago a father traveling solo across the aisle from me ran out of diapers mid way though a 6+ hour flight for his son. He was irritated that the airline didn’t provide free diapers. It was a long flight (and smelly) with a screaming toddler with a full diaper for 3 hours. He was the only parent on board with a baby so no one could give him a diaper. Alan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Several Ouiji boards must have been used to work out "what you sought" from > your insightful thoughts, and demanding question (are you learning from your > child?). > Just like the parents who walk down the middle of the sidewalk with their > prams, you seem to expect someone else to work out your problems for you. > When you pay full fare for your child, expect full service (already more > than a standard passenger). Until then, stop whining, an realise that your > decision to have kids is YOURS! Try not to burden others if your coping > skills aren’t up to other people’s. > And before another whine,,, I have had my kids from 0-12 on so many flights > it would make your head spin (judging by your experience)… > > >> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other >  airlines? > > >Gulf Air have a stewardess dedicated to children (entertaining, >  feeding, > > >helping with, etc.) on at least 1 of their major routes. > > >Hilary > > Singapore Airlines always seem very friendly too! > > –==++AJC++==– > Thanks, Hilary and AJC, and everyone else who gave the input I sought. > -L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Some people hate kids, period.  I recognize this try to not inflict my > son on anyone.  I realize that no one thinks he is a cute as I do, and > I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me just because I have a > baby.  I certainly don’t want him touching the plane or other > passengers, anyway, because mainly I don’t want him to get sick.  We > have flown five separate times with him – he is now 7 months old – > have controlled the crying as best as we can.  Really only had one > incident that lasted about 5 minutes on a United plane when we were > stuck on the freaking tarmac for 45 minutes in Chicago waiting to take > off – of course that is when he pooped for the day and I couldn’t get > up to change his pants because we had to stay seated.  He cried for > about 5 minutes and then fell asleep.  I apologized to everyone around > us and explained what was wrong – everybody was extremely cool about > it.  One of the reasons I hate United is because of schedule problems > like this, which result in delays, plane changes, and flight changes, > all of which add travel time and stress, which I try to keep to a > minimum anyway. > Do you consider the 45 minute wait for take off to be the fault of UA? > Why was the plane waiting 45 minutes? Was there a mechanical problem or > crew problem causing them to wait, or was it traffic oontrol related?

Traffic control related, possibly, but United had over 19 planes waiting to take off (we were #19 in line) and there were scheduling issues that caused problems prior to take-off.  United has had chronic problems in ORD and other areas for the last couple of years.  I used to like to fly them. > I have had lenghthy waits for take off on many carriers and often during > heavy traffic times, the wait is built into the schedule. Were you 45 > minutes late on arrival?

No, we were on-time.  People were on the plane early, in fact. -L.

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> You sound like you are one of the more considerate parents when you travel with your > little one on a plane.  I truly sympathize with your frustration and you must >sympathize > with mine also.

Oh, I do. > While I understand your points and concerns it does not change my > feelings.  I spend many hours on airplanes in the course of any week and the last thing I > am in the mood to deal with are the previously mentioned baby situations.  I am not a baby > hater as it has been put

I was not specifically targeting you with that comment.  Some people *do* hate babies though – that’s ok.  I don’t have any problem with that. >—-BUT, I reserve the right to NOT want them anywhere near me > when I am on an airplane and can’t not extricate myself from the situation. > When one is a 100,000 mile flyer and deals with airlines and airports the way they are > these days, the straw that breaks the camels back is to find when you finally sit down > that you are in close proximity to a situation that will most likely make the next few > hours even more miserable than getting through the airport was in the first place. > djb

Agreed – I understand.  No need to explain.  I just hate it when all parents get tarred with the same ugly brush (again, not saying YOU did that – but it is often done).  Some of us are conscious of the fact that our children can be irritating and try to preven the situation before it happens. -L.

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> Several Ouiji boards must have been used to work out "what you sought" from > your insightful thoughts,

The question was straight forward.  I clarified in my second post.  It wasn’t exactly rocket science. > and demanding question (are you learning from your > child?). > Just like the parents who walk down the middle of the sidewalk with their > prams, you seem to expect someone else to work out your problems for you. > When you pay full fare for your child, expect full service (already more > than a standard passenger). Until then, stop whining, an realise that your > decision to have kids is YOURS! Try not to burden others if your coping > skills aren’t up to other people’s. > And before another whine,,, I have had my kids from 0-12 on so many flights > it would make your head spin (judging by your experience)…

It’s not my problem you have some axe to grind. -L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Some people hate kids, period.  I recognize this try to not inflict my > son on anyone.  I realize that no one thinks he is a cute as I do, and > I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me just because I have a > baby.  I certainly don’t want him touching the plane or other > passengers, anyway, because mainly I don’t want him to get sick.  We > have flown five separate times with him – he is now 7 months old – > have controlled the crying as best as we can.  Really only had one > incident that lasted about 5 minutes on a United plane when we were > stuck on the freaking tarmac for 45 minutes in Chicago waiting to take > off – of course that is when he pooped for the day and I couldn’t get > up to change his pants because we had to stay seated.  He cried for > about 5 minutes and then fell asleep.  I apologized to everyone around > us and explained what was wrong – everybody was extremely cool about > it.  One of the reasons I hate United is because of schedule problems > like this, which result in delays, plane changes, and flight changes, > all of which add travel time and stress, which I try to keep to a > minimum anyway.

Do you consider the 45 minute wait for take off to be the fault of UA? Why was the plane waiting 45 minutes? Was there a mechanical problem or crew problem causing them to wait, or was it traffic oontrol related? I have had lenghthy waits for take off on many carriers and often during heavy traffic times, the wait is built into the schedule. Were you 45 minutes late on arrival?

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Cisco pedophile/troll/netkook/asshole Michael Voight sockpuppeting as – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Some people hate kids, period.  I recognize this try to not inflict my > son on anyone.  I realize that no one thinks he is a cute as I do, and > I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me just because I have a > baby.  I certainly don’t want him touching the plane or other > passengers, anyway, because mainly I don’t want him to get sick.  We > have flown five separate times with him – he is now 7 months old – > have controlled the crying as best as we can.  Really only had one > incident that lasted about 5 minutes on a United plane when we were > stuck on the freaking tarmac for 45 minutes in Chicago waiting to take > off – of course that is when he pooped for the day and I couldn’t get > up to change his pants because we had to stay seated.  He cried for > about 5 minutes and then fell asleep.  I apologized to everyone around > us and explained what was wrong – everybody was extremely cool about > it.  One of the reasons I hate United is because of schedule problems > like this, which result in delays, plane changes, and flight changes, > all of which add travel time and stress, which I try to keep to a > minimum anyway. >Do you consider the 45 minute wait for take off to be the fault of UA? >Why was the plane waiting 45 minutes? Was there a mechanical problem or >crew problem causing them to wait, or was it traffic oontrol related? >I have had lenghthy waits for take off on many carriers and often during >heavy traffic times, the wait is built into the schedule. Were you 45 >minutes late on arrival?

What the fuck do you care, and why the fuck do you think anyone is going to answer so many impertinent questions coming from a pedophile who hangs out in teenage newsgroups on the internet hoping to lure unsuspecting minors? About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder Michael Voight, alias "nothilaryduff", "Really Me", "mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. Michael D. Voight 111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118 Scotts Valley,  CA  95066-4148 (831) 438-2485 He is pedophile Gary Burnore’s partner in crime.  Gary Burnore is a convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the history of the net. The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don’t keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long from work. ***WARNING:  THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE’S IDENTITIES ON USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.*** If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his trolling/newsgroup See further below for more Cisco contact information. He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to His main hangout is alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get their green card.  Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards. When he isn’t giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded fights with the regular posters there. He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for depression.  Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.  Maybe that’s why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get his personals mail there: Voight, Michael P.O. Box 67016, Scotts Valley, CA 95067 (408) 461-8707 He also seems to frequent the teenage newsgroups.  Creepy….. The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the Marines because even the Army rejected him! He’s got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the intelligence to take away from him.  Lord only knows what could have happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook.  The other kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come and go so do the kids.  It wouldn’t hurt to let Cisco know what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them. Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho.  It cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.  Well, they didn’t hire him directly, he came as baggage when they acquired the company he used to work All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons Some of his other trolling aliases are Network Guy, some gender confusion and has been posting as women, such as JerseyGirl change (or worse, raping some teenage girls). It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet on company time.  THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT. Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE.  They will LOVE that you brought this to their attention: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA Then also call them.  You should always follow up email or letters with phone calls.  Always ask for supervisors or managers.  Try to get as far up as possible. (408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387 Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in their company but won’t do so until they get rid of this asshole who is wasting company resources: Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408) 526-4545 Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff: USA 1 800 553 6387 Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the headquarters address.  Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it’s about one of their employees.  They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company: John Morgridge, Chairman Phone: (408) 526-8229 Fax: (408) 526-4100 John Chambers, President, CEO Phone: (408) 526-8222 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Phone: (408) 526-8211 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Phone: (408) 527-7371 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer Phone: (408) 526-7008 Fax: (408) 526-8220 Susan Lori Bostrom Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group Phone: (408) 527-5648 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Howard S. Charney Senior Vice President, Office of the President Phone: (408) 526-8300 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Kate DCamp Senior Vice President, Human Resources Phone: (408) 527-9530 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Gail Morales Manager, Human Resources, Employment Phone: (408) 527-6654 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Peggy Lynch Employee Benefits Phone: (408) 526-8859 Fax: (408) 527-6080 Mario Mazzola Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer Phone: (408) 526-5535 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Betsy Rafael Vice President and Corporate Controller Phone: (408) 525-0164 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Claudia Ceniceros Manager, Public Relations Phone: (408) 525-4700 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Write, call, and fax: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA Phone: (408) 526-4000 Fax: (408) 526-4100 (800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387 Have fun!

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Several Ouiji boards must have been used to work out "what you sought" from your insightful thoughts, and demanding question (are you learning from your child?). Just like the parents who walk down the middle of the sidewalk with their prams, you seem to expect someone else to work out your problems for you. When you pay full fare for your child, expect full service (already more than a standard passenger). Until then, stop whining, an realise that your decision to have kids is YOURS! Try not to burden others if your coping skills aren’t up to other people’s. And before another whine,,, I have had my kids from 0-12 on so many flights it would make your head spin (judging by your experience)…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? > >Gulf Air have a stewardess dedicated to children (entertaining, feeding, > >helping with, etc.) on at least 1 of their major routes. > >Hilary > Singapore Airlines always seem very friendly too! > –==++AJC++==– > Thanks, Hilary and AJC, and everyone else who gave the input I sought. > -L.

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You sound like you are one of the more considerate parents when you travel with your little one on a plane.  I truly sympathize with your frustration and you must sympathize with mine also.  While I understand your points and concerns it does not change my feelings.  I spend many hours on airplanes in the course of any week and the last thing I am in the mood to deal with are the previously mentioned baby situations.  I am not a baby hater as it has been put—-BUT, I reserve the right to NOT want them anywhere near me when I am on an airplane and can’t not extricate myself from the situation. When one is a 100,000 mile flyer and deals with airlines and airports the way they are these days, the straw that breaks the camels back is to find when you finally sit down that you are in close proximity to a situation that will most likely make the next few hours even more miserable than getting through the airport was in the first place. djb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It would surely be an enticement to me!  Nothing worse than little monsters > terrorizing the cabin on a long flight—drooling over the back of the seat in > front of you onto your dinner tray—and a parent who gets pissed when you say > something about it. > It’s a parenting issue.  I hate ill-behaved children as well.  And I > don’t want strangers – child or not – touching me. > Maybe the question should be "which airline has passengers who are most >tolerant of > screaming, running and drooling—and generally making every other passenger >on the > plane hate you." > Some people hate kids, period.  I recognize this try to not inflict my > son on anyone.  I realize that no one thinks he is a cute as I do, and > I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me just because I have a > baby.  I certainly don’t want him touching the plane or other > passengers, anyway, because mainly I don’t want him to get sick.  We > have flown five separate times with him – he is now 7 months old – > have controlled the crying as best as we can.  Really only had one > incident that lasted about 5 minutes on a United plane when we were > stuck on the freaking tarmac for 45 minutes in Chicago waiting to take > off – of course that is when he pooped for the day and I couldn’t get > up to change his pants because we had to stay seated.  He cried for > about 5 minutes and then fell asleep.  I apologized to everyone around > us and explained what was wrong – everybody was extremely cool about > it.  One of the reasons I hate United is because of schedule problems > like this, which result in delays, plane changes, and flight changes, > all of which add travel time and stress, which I try to keep to a > minimum anyway. > So, yes, I reconize that children can be a nuisance to other > passengers on a plane.  I try my best to make sure mine isn’t one of > them.  And when he is, I apologize so that the baby haters at least > know that I am trying to do the best I can to correct the situation, > and that I recognize that they are unhappy. > -L.

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> It would surely be an enticement to me!  Nothing worse than little monsters > terrorizing the cabin on a long flight—drooling over the back of the seat in > front of you onto your dinner tray—and a parent who gets pissed when you say > something about it.

It’s a parenting issue.  I hate ill-behaved children as well.  And I don’t want strangers – child or not – touching me. > Maybe the question should be "which airline has passengers who are most >tolerant of > screaming, running and drooling—and generally making every other passenger >on the > plane hate you."

Some people hate kids, period.  I recognize this try to not inflict my son on anyone.  I realize that no one thinks he is a cute as I do, and I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me just because I have a baby.  I certainly don’t want him touching the plane or other passengers, anyway, because mainly I don’t want him to get sick.  We have flown five separate times with him – he is now 7 months old – have controlled the crying as best as we can.  Really only had one incident that lasted about 5 minutes on a United plane when we were stuck on the freaking tarmac for 45 minutes in Chicago waiting to take off – of course that is when he pooped for the day and I couldn’t get up to change his pants because we had to stay seated.  He cried for about 5 minutes and then fell asleep.  I apologized to everyone around us and explained what was wrong – everybody was extremely cool about it.  One of the reasons I hate United is because of schedule problems like this, which result in delays, plane changes, and flight changes, all of which add travel time and stress, which I try to keep to a minimum anyway. So, yes, I reconize that children can be a nuisance to other passengers on a plane.  I try my best to make sure mine isn’t one of them.  And when he is, I apologize so that the baby haters at least know that I am trying to do the best I can to correct the situation, and that I recognize that they are unhappy. -L.

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> >> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >Gulf Air have a stewardess dedicated to children (entertaining, feeding, >helping with, etc.) on at least 1 of their major routes. >Hilary > Singapore Airlines always seem very friendly too! > –==++AJC++==–

Thanks, Hilary and AJC, and everyone else who gave the input I sought. -L.

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> I’m curious about how you define non-baby friendly and why United > "sucks."

United sucks because they continually split up parties and change flights with no notice (probably all due to overbooking).  They have few planes that will fit a standard-sized baby seat (at least on the last 5 flights we have taken) and their service personell has been extremely rude (with one exception).  They also have few planes that have changing tables in the bathrooms and there is basically no other place you can change a baby’s pants.  Last time I did it in the stall, but DS’s head hung over the toilet seat, which was not pleasant for either of us. >  Do "baby friendly" airlines provide sound proof containers for the > little darling when it goes on an extended scream?   Do they provide > complimentary leashes to control the running toddlers who have escaped > from their comotose parents?  

That’s a parenting issue, and not an airline issue. > Maybe super-strength paper towels to > clean up the spilled cokes?   How about an etiquette book so parents > can learn about how to control their kids while in public places?

You don’t have to be an asshole.  Not all parents are bad parents. It is a legitimate question.  There are probably airlines that exist that acknowlege that people may have to change a diaper and/or have seats big enough to take a baby seat. -L.

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Well said, I like United, and choose them whenever possible in the US. Saying "united sucks" is quite a narrow view on things, in general. The airlines that pander to parents by giving them the "fully enclosed capsule" treatment would just need to deal with one of their other neuroses, if they didn’t have kids. I say 1 seat, 1 standard, 1 price – and let the others work out how to mollycoddle each other through life. I’ve had 2 kids on several intercontinental flights, and never expected any concessions for them, apart from colouring books… They always got on fine.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m curious about how you define non-baby friendly and why United > "sucks." >  Do "baby friendly" airlines provide sound proof containers for the > little darling when it goes on an extended scream?   Do they provide > complimentary leashes to control the running toddlers who have escaped > from their comotose parents?   Maybe super-strength paper towels to > clean up the spilled cokes?   How about an etiquette book so parents > can learn about how to control their kids while in public places? > Since United is non-baby friendly,  maybe that’s why I frequently fly > them! >United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >-L.

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It would surely be an enticement to me!  Nothing worse than little monsters terrorizing the cabin on a long flight—drooling over the back of the seat in front of you onto your dinner tray—and a parent who gets pissed when you say something about it. Maybe the question should be "which airline has passengers who are most tolerant of screaming, running and drooling—and generally making every other passenger on the plane hate you." djb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m curious about how you define non-baby friendly and why United > "sucks." >  Do "baby friendly" airlines provide sound proof containers for the > little darling when it goes on an extended scream?   Do they provide > complimentary leashes to control the running toddlers who have escaped > from their comotose parents?   Maybe super-strength paper towels to > clean up the spilled cokes?   How about an etiquette book so parents > can learn about how to control their kids while in public places? > Since United is non-baby friendly,  maybe that’s why I frequently fly > them! >United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >-L.

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United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? -L.

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>United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >-L.

Use Qantas or Emirates next time. –==++AJC++==–

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> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines?

Saudi Arabian Airlines, ‘Saudia’. They are the National Airline of screaming babies.

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>> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other > airlines? > -L. > Use Qantas or Emirates next time. > –==++AJC++==–

Virgin have a reputation for being child friendly- don’t know if this extends to babies though Jan

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I’m curious about how you define non-baby friendly and why United "sucks."  Do "baby friendly" airlines provide sound proof containers for the little darling when it goes on an extended scream?   Do they provide complimentary leashes to control the running toddlers who have escaped from their comotose parents?   Maybe super-strength paper towels to clean up the spilled cokes?   How about an etiquette book so parents can learn about how to control their kids while in public places? Since United is non-baby friendly,  maybe that’s why I frequently fly them! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >-L.

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> > United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? > Saudi Arabian Airlines, ‘Saudia’. They are the National Airline of > screaming babies.

I’m looking more for info about domestic (US) airlines that have changing tables on most of their planes, and larger seats that accomodate safety seats.  And before you rag on me about having a "lap baby", we buy him a seat. -L.

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>> United sucks, big time.  Anyone have good experiences with any other airlines? >Gulf Air have a stewardess dedicated to children (entertaining, feeding, >helping with, etc.) on at least 1 of their major routes. >Hilary

Singapore Airlines always seem very friendly too! –==++AJC++==–

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