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> > Take your kids to the movie > By Israel Shamir > Keep your missionizing crap to yourself.
It’s not missionizing, it’s a good parenting tip. I plan on taking my kids to see the movie and then building a big wooden cross in the backyard. I will then tell the kids if they misbehave they will be crucified. If it’s good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for them.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Take your kids to the movie >> Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one >> of many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and >> entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will >> be made. > What are you talking about? There’s lotsa movies based on Hindu > mythology. I see ‘em on the UHF channels from time to time. True, > there’s more singing than you might expect, but they’re still fun > to watch. There’s at least one theater in Chicago that shows them, > direct from India, too. > Oh, you meant "that will actually be shown in a lot of places and > will be readily available to people who aren’t in India." Never > mind. > Heh. Anybody ever mention you’re a smartaleck?
The observation has been made. Occasionally even in my hearing. 
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> > Take your kids to the movie > Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of > many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and > entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will be > made.
I’m looking forward to seeing this myself, but not because I’m a believer. For children, the value in seeing a good dramatization of the Passion consists in the following: 1) Getting a better understanding of a story that has had a major influence on Western culture; to me, knowing about the crucifixion is important if only to allow one to understand the context of certain works by Salvador Dali. 2) Getting a better idea of what the majority of their countrymen (if in the US) are ranting about with the crosses and the fish on the cars and so on. 3) Enjoying a well-acted dramatization. James Cavaziel ain’t no slouch in the acting department, nor are the rest of the cast. It’s only a pity that the film evidently focuses strictly on the Passion itself, so that presumably little to none of Yeshua’s attributed teachings with actual moral and ethical, if not scientific, value (e.g., ‘love thy neighbor’, ‘look to the plank in your own eye first’, etc.) will be dealt with. Of course, for myself, I’m mainly going to see it for Monica Bellucci, who is starting to make a career as the saving grace to a lot of really bad movies.
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> Why are Xtians always going on about the "sacrifice …of Christ?" Is it > not true that *thousands* of people were crucified during Roman times? > Did they suffer any less, because they weren’t divine? Why to they get > dismissed as just some poor schlocks, while JC gets all the attention?
Agreed. I think that we should go back to Spartacus as a sort of secular saint of the quest for freedom. Of course, after his slave revolt failed, he and all the rest of the slaves were crucified, placed every couple of yards along the whole length of the Via Appia (some 30 miles IIRC). Now, that’s a crucifixion and a sacrifice. Not to mention a really smelly road to travel for the next couple months. And Spartacus was played by Kirk Douglas, which has got to count for something…
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Sorry, its R rated.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Take your kids to the movie > Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one > of many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and > entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will > be made. > What are you talking about? There’s lotsa movies based on Hindu > mythology. I see ‘em on the UHF channels from time to time. True, > there’s more singing than you might expect, but they’re still fun > to watch. There’s at least one theater in Chicago that shows them, > direct from India, too. > Oh, you meant "that will actually be shown in a lot of places and > will be readily available to people who aren’t in India." Never > mind.
Heh. Anybody ever mention you’re a smartaleck?
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> Take your kids to the movie
You want to expose children to the brutal, S&M fantasies of Mel the loon? — Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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> Take your kids to the movie
You do realize that it is rated "R" for violence, correct?
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> > Indeed, this film can wake up the American Christians to the supreme > sacrifice and glory of Christ. It will bring American ‘Jews’ to the crown > of their long assimilation process – to the Church. It will set them free > – for Christianity is freedom, first of all. And then the Holy Land will > remain the socle of the Cross, not the base of Antichrist. > Why are Xtians always going on about the "sacrifice …of Christ?" Is it > not true that *thousands* of people were crucified during Roman times? > Did they suffer any less, because they weren’t divine? Why to they get > dismissed as just some poor schlocks, while JC gets all the attention?
Yeah, and the Inquisition put many to death in ways just as agonizing and prolonged, if not more so, in the name of Christ. Not to mention that it their theology is correct, Christ is reigning in glory in Heaven, forever and ever. Big sacrifice there. Best, Marc
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > To the newsgroups: alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish, > rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.written, > rec.travel.air >> Take your kids to the movie >> By Israel Shamir >> The film of Mel Gibson, The Passion, grows into an important, maybe >> the important event of the year. Even before screening, it caused >> violent reactions of the American Jewish ‘thought police’, ADL led by >> obnoxious Foxman. There are unpleasant rumours (in the New York Times) >> that Mr Gibson gave in and decided to censor the Gospel. I hope it is >… > I’m taking my children to see this portrayal of the perfidy of the > Christkillers. They need to be shown the blood and gore that surrounds > the Christillers and Masonic devil worshippers. > And if I get just one more call from CPS that I am violating my custody > agreement by taking them to see an R-rated film (R-rated by the Jew > York City types), I’ll kill the bitch. No Christian jury will do a > single thing to me. > CPS can’t tell me my kids can’t see the truth about the Christkillers. > I’d give this about a D+, maybe a C-. Definitely well into the Room > For Improvement category. Just the same, it’s good to see you trolls > trying less boringly conventional tactics, and working together. Keep > at it. It’s probably just a matter of finding exactly the right > combination of groups; *somewhere* on Usenet, there’s almost bound to > be someone — perhaps even several someones — stupid enough to > actually take you seriously. (Then again, that requires that they a) > be even dumber than you are, and b) still be capable of using a > computer, so maybe not. You might do better to try trolling each > other; it’s quite unlikely that you’re all at exactly the same level > of retardation.)
I saw a few commercial blurbs for some show about Jesus on prime time TV tonight. Do you plan on tuning in, or are you a Jesus hater or some kind of anti anti-semite? — Elroy Willis EAP Chief Editor and Newshound http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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> Why are Xtians always going on about the "sacrifice …of Christ?" Is it > not true that *thousands* of people were crucified during Roman times? > Did they suffer any less, because they weren’t divine? Why to they get > dismissed as just some poor schlocks, while JC gets all the attention?
Depends on the Xtians. The Mormons (not uniquely in this case) believe that the "heavy lifting" both for the agony and the redemption happened the night in Gethsemane (and there is some in-text justification for that view), with the arrest-trial-scourging- parade-crucification-execution being a minor but necessary codicil. — Mark Atwood | When you do things right, http://www.pobox.com/~mra
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Take your kids to the movie > By Israel Shamir > The film of Mel Gibson, The Passion, grows into an important, maybe > the important event of the year. Even before screening, it caused > violent reactions of the American Jewish ‘thought police’, ADL led by > obnoxious Foxman. There are unpleasant rumours (in the New York Times) > that Mr Gibson gave in and decided to censor the Gospel. I hope it is >… > I’m taking my children to see this portrayal of the perfidy of the > Christkillers. They need to be shown the blood and gore that surrounds > the Christillers and Masonic devil worshippers. > And if I get just one more call from CPS that I am violating my custody > agreement by taking them to see an R-rated film (R-rated by the Jew > York City types), I’ll kill the bitch. No Christian jury will do a > single thing to me. > CPS can’t tell me my kids can’t see the truth about the Christkillers.
I hope your children can read the subtitles. How old are they? — Elroy Willis EAP Chief Editor and Newshound http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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> Take your kids to the movie
Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will be made.
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>Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of >many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and >entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will be >made.
Be careful or you’ll wake up the terrible Dr. Jai!!
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> > Take your kids to the movie > Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of > many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and > entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will be > made.
What are you talking about? There’s lotsa movies based on Hindu mythology. I see ‘em on the UHF channels from time to time. True, there’s more singing than you might expect, but they’re still fun to watch. There’s at least one theater in Chicago that shows them, direct from India, too. Oh, you meant "that will actually be shown in a lot of places and will be readily available to people who aren’t in India." Never mind. D
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> > Take your kids to the movie > Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of > many false gods? At least the Hindu myths are more colorful and > entertaining than the Xian ones. Too bad no movie about them will be > made. > What are you talking about? There’s lotsa movies based on Hindu
mythology…. I know replying to one’s self is bad form, but not two hours after I posted this, I ran across the following article: Rock Diva Tina Turner to Play Hindu Goddess in Film http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&e=1&u=/nm/2004022… It all ties together, I tell you. D
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>> Take your kids to the movie > Why would I want to expose children to a propaganda film about one of > many false gods?
Oxymoron. Is there any other one? Dog? Which airline does the false dog love to hate though?
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> Take your kids to the movie > By Israel Shamir
Keep your missionizing crap to yourself.
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> Indeed, this film can wake up the American Christians to the supreme > sacrifice and glory of Christ. It will bring American ‘Jews’ to the crown > of their long assimilation process – to the Church. It will set them free > – for Christianity is freedom, first of all. And then the Holy Land will > remain the socle of the Cross, not the base of Antichrist.
Why are Xtians always going on about the "sacrifice …of Christ?" Is it not true that *thousands* of people were crucified during Roman times? Did they suffer any less, because they weren’t divine? Why to they get dismissed as just some poor schlocks, while JC gets all the attention? — MarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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> Take your kids to the movie
No. And if on the extremely unlikely chance that it’s an in-flight movie (the only reason I find for your off-topic cross-post) I’ll find another carrier. — http://mattdrury.net/travel (since 1984)
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I’ll wait for the video and get it free from my club. Why should I pay money into anything that is xtian?!?! — Shrub is a ONE TERMER! Just Like His Daddy! http://wonderofitall.com/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Indeed, this film can wake up the American Christians to the supreme > sacrifice and glory of Christ. It will bring American ‘Jews’ to the crown > of their long assimilation process – to the Church. It will set them free > – for Christianity is freedom, first of all. And then the Holy Land will > remain the socle of the Cross, not the base of Antichrist. > Why are Xtians always going on about the "sacrifice …of Christ?" Is it > not true that *thousands* of people were crucified during Roman times? > Did they suffer any less, because they weren’t divine? Why to they get > dismissed as just some poor schlocks, while JC gets all the attention? > — > MarkA > (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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> Take your kids to the movie > By Israel Shamir > The film of Mel Gibson, The Passion, grows into an important, maybe > the important event of the year. Even before screening, it caused > violent reactions of the American Jewish ‘thought police’, ADL led by > obnoxious Foxman. There are unpleasant rumours (in the New York Times) > that Mr Gibson gave in and decided to censor the Gospel. I hope it is
… I’m taking my children to see this portrayal of the perfidy of the Christkillers. They need to be shown the blood and gore that surrounds the Christillers and Masonic devil worshippers. And if I get just one more call from CPS that I am violating my custody agreement by taking them to see an R-rated film (R-rated by the Jew York City types), I’ll kill the bitch. No Christian jury will do a single thing to me. CPS can’t tell me my kids can’t see the truth about the Christkillers. –Tim May
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To the newsgroups: alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish, rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.written, rec.travel.air – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Take your kids to the movie > By Israel Shamir > The film of Mel Gibson, The Passion, grows into an important, maybe > the important event of the year. Even before screening, it caused > violent reactions of the American Jewish ‘thought police’, ADL led by > obnoxious Foxman. There are unpleasant rumours (in the New York Times) > that Mr Gibson gave in and decided to censor the Gospel. I hope it is >… >I’m taking my children to see this portrayal of the perfidy of the >Christkillers. They need to be shown the blood and gore that surrounds >the Christillers and Masonic devil worshippers. >And if I get just one more call from CPS that I am violating my custody >agreement by taking them to see an R-rated film (R-rated by the Jew >York City types), I’ll kill the bitch. No Christian jury will do a >single thing to me. >CPS can’t tell me my kids can’t see the truth about the Christkillers.
I’d give this about a D+, maybe a C-. Definitely well into the Room For Improvement category. Just the same, it’s good to see you trolls trying less boringly conventional tactics, and working together. Keep at it. It’s probably just a matter of finding exactly the right combination of groups; *somewhere* on Usenet, there’s almost bound to be someone — perhaps even several someones — stupid enough to actually take you seriously. (Then again, that requires that they a) be even dumber than you are, and b) still be capable of using a computer, so maybe not. You might do better to try trolling each other; it’s quite unlikely that you’re all at exactly the same level of retardation.) — Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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@posting.google.com: > Take your kids to the movie
(snip) Why bother? Read the book, it sucked, why would I think the movie would be any better? — Woden "religion is a socio-political institution for the control of people’s thoughts, lives, and actions; based on ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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Take your kids to the movie By Israel Shamir The film of Mel Gibson, The Passion, grows into an important, maybe the important event of the year. Even before screening, it caused violent reactions of the American Jewish ‘thought police’, ADL led by obnoxious Foxman. There are unpleasant rumours (in the New York Times) that Mr Gibson gave in and decided to censor the Gospel. I hope it is not true, for a man who can give in and cut the Gospel is not worthy to make a film about Golgotha. ‘To change even one letter in the Bible is like to destroy the world’, says the Jewish wisdom, and I concur: if the Gospel, the most important part of the Bible, tells us of the High Priest of Jews that he accepted his responsibility for the verdict, Mr Gibson is not entitled to change it, even he were to be crucified himself. Naturally, the High Priest of antisemitism fighters, Abe Foxman, the guy who took bribe from Marc Rich the thief, is not worried about placid American Goyim attacking the innocent Jews. First, it is not bloody likely. Even if the Jews were to crucify Christ today in prime time on CNN, the Americans won’t dare to object. Secondly, every attack on a Jew brings cash to Abe Foxman; he thrives on strife. He is worried about something else. Foxman and other enemies of Gibson’s film are worried that the young American kids of some Jewish background, like kids of Vermont Governor Dean, or many of our readers, will see the movie and never again will call themselves ‘Jews’ anymore. Foxman, Bronfman et al are worried that these kids – and grown ups – will take themselves to the church, while these leaders will remain with assorted retired folk in Florida. Their worries are our hopes. There many good people who by mistake or by ignorance consider themselves ‘Jews’. For this mistake they pay dearly: they are forced to fight against ‘the Jews’ while supporting the setup. I saw something similar in Russia, where many good people called themselves ‘communists’ in the days of Brezhnev. They had to justify or condemn invasion of Afghanistan from extremely uncomfortable position. But they had no choice in the USSR of those days. But now, there is no need for any good person to call him/herself a Jew anymore. The Church always welcomed these good people of Jewish origin to her bosom. They are welcome, and the film of Gibson hopefully will bring them – away from Foxman and Caiaphas to Christ. But this beautiful plan can’t be implemented by way of ideological and theological compromise. The Church is open for the good people, and the separation of lambs from goats is promised beginning of the Last Judgement. Now, appearance of the Mel Gibson’s film provides us with opportunity to separate lambs from goats. The Washington columnist Joe Sobran wrote to me: ‘the Mel Gibson’s movie is being accused of "antisemitism" just for presenting the Gospel story. Have you noticed that Christianity, the Catholic Church, the popes, Martin Luther, many of the most eminent Christian authors, and the Gospels themselves are constantly called antisemitic? But not Jesus himself! Why not? Obviously someone is trying to tell us something with all these charges of antisemitism. Here is a man who antagonized the Jewish authorities of his day, incurring all their fury, and who has inspired TWO THOUSAND YEARS of antisemitism! Why does He get off the hook? Why don’t they just come out and accuse Him? That’s plainly what they’re driving at. So let them say it. Remember, when they talk about "antisemitism" they’re really talking about Jesus Christ. If they won’t say it, we should’. Indeed, this film can wake up the American Christians to the supreme sacrifice and glory of Christ. It will bring American ‘Jews’ to the crown of their long assimilation process – to the Church. It will set them free – for Christianity is freedom, first of all. And then the Holy Land will remain the socle of the Cross, not the base of Antichrist. http://www.israelshamir.net/english/gibson.shtml
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